billsfan714 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Always hated the standing buffalo, looks like the only thing missing from it was a scope sight over it.
John Gianelli Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 http://www.thehilltoponline.com/sports/taking-a-look-back-at-the-bison-1.463358#.UWKqqKLvtcw A few years ago someone posted this link, that we actually took it from Howard University.
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 http://www.thehillto...58#.UWKqqKLvtcw A few years ago someone posted this link, that we actually took it from Howard University. That is what I was going to mention... I think the guy in Beerball's story ripped it off and the Ralph obtained the rights to it seeing how Howard didn't protect the design.
White Linen Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Pretty cool story. I'm surprised he didn't have a relationship with Ralph to get recognized. Maybe we'll here about them doing something.
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Pretty cool story. I'm surprised he didn't have a relationship with Ralph to get recognized. Maybe we'll here about them doing something. It is Howard University's original design... Ralph stole it from them and then was a stand-up guy and let them use it! LoL! I guess it just goes to show you that one should protect their sh*t! Which Howard didn't! Ralph and the NFL grabbed the rights.
Beerball Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 It is Howard University's original design... Ralph stole it from them and then was a stand-up guy and let them use it! LoL! I guess it just goes to show you that one should protect their sh*t! Which Howard didn't! Ralph and the NFL grabbed the rights. So, you're saying that the article I linked is a total fabrication? Remember, the time that the Bills made the switch was pre-internets. Your assertion that "Ralph stole from them" does not seem fair to either party (Ralph or Stevens Wright).
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 So, you're saying that the article I linked is a total fabrication? Remember, the time that the Bills made the switch was pre-internets. Your assertion that "Ralph stole from them" does not seem fair to either party (Ralph or Stevens Wright). Thread on this two years ago... http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/126179-howard-university-bison/ Howard University's bison logo is one that is waived high and worn proudly. According to facilities manager Isaac Darden who has been a part of the Howard community for about 40 years, John Dupri a former Howard alumnus, who majored in art and member of the football team drew a version of the bison crest for Howard. His artistic creation did not go unnoticed but instead was coveted. It was so highly favored that the professional football team the Buffalo Bills took the design for their own. Since Howard did not have the logo copyrighted, it was lost to the Bills. I was the last to post... Now Beerball... Obviuosly, the guy in your story and Ralph got the copywrite... So I guess it is theirs. Funny how the article you linked to makes no mention of the Howard logo/inspiration.
Homey D. Clown Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 I had the Bills logo imprinted into my wedding cake, or Bachelor's cake if anyone is familiar with that. Everyone loved the way that cake turned out...
Beerball Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 I was the last to post... Thread killer. Still, my point is...this was before the internets etc. You've called Ralph a thief and that simply isn't fair. You assume that everyone from Ralph to Wright was dishonest, or you used a poor choice of words.
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Thread killer. Still, my point is...this was before the internets etc. You've called Ralph a thief and that simply isn't fair. You assume that everyone from Ralph to Wright was dishonest, or you used a poor choice of words. I understand. Sorry to be harsh, I was applying modern standards... It is rightfully Ralph's and that guy's... Howard and John Dupri never protected it, it is their loss. Ralph/NFL was stand-up in giving full rights to Howard University? Why is that? He/they are nice guys? The NFL? LoL. It is obvious the inspiration came from Howard. In Apple's words: That is theiving! But it was a bygone era. No biggy, everybody is happy... Funny still that your story NEVER mentioned Howard University. You would think the NFL would be on this like stink on sh*t... BUT they are silent...
Beerball Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 I understand. Sorry to be harsh, I was applying modern standards... It is rightfully Ralph's and that guy's... Howard and John Dupri never protected it, it is their loss. Ralph/NFL was stand-up in giving full rights to Howard University? Why is that? He/they are nice guys? The NFL? LoL. It is obvious the inspiration came from Howard. In Apple's words: That is theiving! But it was a bygone era. No biggy, everybody is happy... Funny still that your story NEVER mentioned Howard University. You would think the NFL would be on this like stink on sh*t... BUT they are silent... I guess we'll end this here. You've decided Ralph is a thief, he knowingly and willingly took the Bison logo from Howard University and he pulled Wright into his scheme. Never mind that the artilce you posted shows no history of the logo at Howard. I am sure that it remains intact from the day it was first designed.
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 http://www.thehillto...58#.UWKqqKLvtcw A few years ago someone posted this link, that we actually took it from Howard University. For crying out loud how does that not get covered in the article? Granted, the writer may not have known, but it is such an obvious ripoff.
bowery4 Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) http://www.howard-bison.com/sports/fball/index Just for a look at it. Certainly looks familiar. And how it looks on a helmet. http://coachgaryharrell.com/a-strong-unit/ Edited April 8, 2013 by bowery4
White Linen Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 It is Howard University's original design... Ralph stole it from them and then was a stand-up guy and let them use it! LoL! I guess it just goes to show you that one should protect their sh*t! Which Howard didn't! Ralph and the NFL grabbed the rights. I understand that's the story but obviously Wright and his family are awfuly proud of it. How it ended up there shouldn't stop the Bills from honoring the creator.
Buftex Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Some of us are old enough to remember when the logo switch happened. The fact that it looked an awful lot like the Howard logo did not go un-noticed at the time. But, as pointed out, the logo wasn't copyrighted (copyrighting logos, particularly at the small college level wasn't all that common at that time, from what I understand), and, for all intents and purposes was public domain. So, to say the Bills (or Ralph Wilson) stole the logo is not legally correct..even if there is some merit to it. It's really a non-issue. What I find humerous, about once a year, during football season, it seems as though somebody comes to TSW and reports to everyone that there is some college team that has stolen the Bills logo...
Beerball Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 If the Washington Post is to be believed Here's a pic from Howard University 1996. pic 4 if it doesn't load there
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) I understand that's the story but obviously Wright and his family are awfuly proud of it. How it ended up there shouldn't stop the Bills from honoring the creator. Fair enough... But if the Dupri (art department @ Howard) was really the inspiration, how is Wright the really the "creator?" Sure him an Ralph beat the others to the copyright office and in the end everybody is happy... The NFL and Bills are not coming down on the Howard Bisons. IMO... It kind of taints things... But then again, eveybody is happy and I thank both for making it work. If the Washington Post is to be believed Here's a pic from Howard University 1996. pic 4 if it doesn't load there You have an interesting argument. I thought this has been settled many years ago. There have been different logos @ the University. Again, sorry for being harsh on the Bills, I still love the logo. Gotta remember the Sabres founded just a few years earlier, had their more modern and snazzy moving/streaking bison, the Bills did need to keep with the times... And they do have a classic. Some of us are old enough to remember when the logo switch happened. The fact that it looked an awful lot like the Howard logo did not go un-noticed at the time. But, as pointed out, the logo wasn't copyrighted (copyrighting logos, particularly at the small college level wasn't all that common at that time, from what I understand), and, for all intents and purposes was public domain. So, to say the Bills (or Ralph Wilson) stole the logo is not legally correct..even if there is some merit to it. It's really a non-issue. What I find humerous, about once a year, during football season, it seems as though somebody comes to TSW and reports to everyone that there is some college team that has stolen the Bills logo... Exactly Buf... Too funny! Sorry for being harsh and putting into modern copyright perspective... If it happened now... You bet they would fight tooth and nail... ESPECIALLY if it was infringing on the NFL. Look how pimpy they get! Look @ MLB how they put the screws to Little Leagues around the country with their logos! We are not in Kansas anymore Toto... Anyway, glad Howard and the Bills can work it out without getting territorial... Edited April 8, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 8, 2013 Posted April 8, 2013 Does anyone here think that the similarities in the logo are coincidental? Then the next thing you look at is the chronology. Howard's logo predates the Bills charging buffalo logo by many years, does it not?
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