anyone paying attention to n korea threatening to nuke america?

[DC Tom]

"No reply. There's no reply at all. No reply at all, there's no reply at all"

 

 

How's that for a "poor trolling attempt"?

 

Successful troll is successful! And I certainly am, especially since I don't wear silly scarves.

 

After seven minutes?

 

You need a hug or something?

[OCinBuffalo]

"Important national defense tests." Hah. The Minuteman III needs testing like you need a sense of surrealistic humor.

 

Now, if they postponed a test of an ABM system...THAT would be stupid (not that they'd run an honest-to-God test by launching an actual missile to intercept.)

Yes, if the word "strawman" needed further defintion, our "testing" and "war gaming" program would suffice.

 

Starting to get out of hand in country X? We will run some "war games" nearby.

 

It all, usually, just a game, because the political consequences for the leader of country X...are usually enough to get things back in hand.

 

Like this: we can do tests or not do them, as they are just poker chips.

 

All of this is a game, until it isn't. A good President understands that. A good President doesn't go to places like Russia, and give away both the gameplan and the game.

 

After seven minutes?

 

You need a hug or something?

 

Just basing that off the quick responses prior.

 

As we know, phones ring, meetings start, etc.

 

But still....do you deny his idiocy?

[B-Large]

First: Bat pans? WTF. Oh...I always think health care first when I read your posts, so I was thinking "bed pans". Silly.

 

Second: Who is antagonizing? We were just minding our business. Now we are RESPONDING to antagonization and threats. Theres both a distinction, and a difference.

 

Third: Nobody does queston American military strength. What the entire world is questioning right now: American Presidental Strength. The world watches their news channels, and ours, as well(FOX much more than CNN or MSNBC btw). The see this buffoon running around predicting sequester disaster, and then having to walk it back. They see the lack of leadership. They see that he can't even get universal background checks, which EVERBODY, including me, supports (90%) passed...because nobody wants to be seen as politically on board with this guy.

 

You think its a coincidence that at the same time President Obama looks his weakest...they are rolling out trouble?

 

So you always think **** when you see my posts?

 

Were gonna disgree on many of the items in your post as we see the President and his policies differently. I do not question the current POTUS' willigness to act in full force in the event of threat, and I believe the rest of the world, even retards like Iran and NK know it as well. I am not so convinced that not being able to create a bi-partisan environment in our Government gives the signal to said Retards that America in inept, unwilling or will be deterred in protecting our interests.

 

The experts (so called experts) from Fox to CNN to everybody has the same opinion of NK, rhetorical sabre rattling (of bed pans.... yes, bed pans). Will flying over as you suggested scare them? Sure, its plausible. Will in antagoize someone into irrational action because the new leader is wet behind the ears and inexpereinced? We don't know, it a relatively unknown commodity...

 

Naive wishing for peace is the surest way to encourage and aggressor.. is that statement true in this case, or is NK just being, well, NK?

[We Come In Peace]

It would be prodound. Very, very, very prodound. Much more prodound than your normal posts which consists of poor trolling attempts and even worse logic.

:lol:

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

Gotta love it when they walk into it....and so easily done.

 

Now, moron, go back and re-read both posts. Take out the liberal part of the second: and realize....they are identical policies in every way.

If your point was to show how good you are at missing obvious sarcasm, then you did prove your point quite well.

 

If your point was to somehow make a sensible and reasoned point, well then you got some more work to do before it reaches that level of prodoundness. But it's not your fault, you have the intellectual heft of a naked Calista Flockhart.

[OCinBuffalo]

If your point was to show how good you are at missing obvious sarcasm, then you did prove your point quite well.

 

If your point was to somehow make a sensible and reasoned point, well then you got some more work to do before it reaches that level of prodoundness. But it's not your fault, you have the intellectual heft of a naked Calista Flockhart.

 

Your lame attempt at playing it off will not work.

 

Own it. Move on.

 

Intellectual...and you?

[We Come In Peace]

Your lame attempt at playing it off will not work.

 

Own it. Move on.

 

Intellectual...and you?

Own what? Your poor reading, writing and comprehension skills? Ummm... no thank you. Please tell us more about how sonic booms will make North Korea crumble from within.

 

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ts7ol/

[B-Man]

Strength Will Deter Provocations by North Korea

 

By Jim Talent

 

There’s a reason rogue regimes such as North Korea try so hard to acquire nuclear capability. It empowers their conventional aggression by protecting them from reprisals that threaten to remove them from power. That’s because the civilized world knows that, if pushed too far, the regimes can use nuclear weapons against undefended targets. Even if the threat to launch is a bluff, it’s not a bluff the United States can afford to call. Kim Jong Un knows that, whatever else happens as a result of his aggressive tactics, nuclear capability means that he’s not likely to end up in a spider hole the way Saddam Hussein did.

 

That makes provocation a no-lose proposition for the North Korean regime. At worst, from Kim’s point of view, he can challenge his enemies with no consequences that he cares about. (Economic sanctions against North Korea are almost meaningless, at least as long as it has China’s support.) At best, he can create a crisis and then negotiate a “solution” which extracts concessions in return for promises he can later ignore.

 

The challenge for the United States is to change that calculus without using means that escalate the immediate crisis. Here is one step that would be very meaningful. The United States should announce that it is substantially increasing its naval shipbuilding program. At the same time, the Obama administration should privately inform the Chinese government that if China cannot (or will not) control North Korea, the United States will have no choice but to maintain a permanently increased naval presence in the East and South China Seas.

 

In short, the Obama administration should put real power behind its “Asia pivot.” That’s the last thing North Korea wants. More important, China wants it even less. You can bet that as soon as the United States made such an announcement — and it could be delayed until after the current crisis if the administration thinks it would be escalatory in the current context — the phone lines between Beijing and Pyongyang would heat up.

 

 

The North Koreans believe they can provoke conflict with impunity. Perhaps they can in the short term. But a more capable American Navy, exercising an increased presence in the Northwest Pacific, would be a long-term setback for North Korean and Chinese ambitions. That is a consequence neither regime could ignore the next time North Korea contemplates a new provocation.

 

At a fundamental level, defense policy is foreign policy. Weakness, real or perceived, invites challenge; strength deters it. Ronald Reagan understood that, which is why he built up American power in the 1980s. Teddy Roosevelt understood it too; his policy was to walk softly while carrying a big stick. If our leaders absorb that lesson today, and apply it with prudence and purpose, the North Koreans may yet have cause to regret that they decided to rattle their sabers.

 

— Jim Talent served on the Senate Armed Services Committee

 

 

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[OCinBuffalo]

So you always think **** when you see my posts?

No. Um, yes. Um...I don't know.

Were gonna disgree on many of the items in your post as we see the President and his policies differently. I do not question the current POTUS' willigness to act in full force in the event of threat, and I believe the rest of the world, even retards like Iran and NK know it as well. I am not so convinced that not being able to create a bi-partisan environment in our Government gives the signal to said Retards that America in inept, unwilling or will be deterred in protecting our interests.

How about we instead look at this way:

1. I see the job of the President correctly, as it is defined by the rest of the world: Commander in Chief

2. You see incorrectly as defined: as some sort of consensus thing, when the fact is that the rest of the world doesn't care about the details and especially not the nuance. What they see: weakness. A man so affected, on permanent campaign, that really? Doesn't understand the job he has. And even if he does: doesn't really want to do it.

 

Best example this week: how do I explain to my German friends, who don't understand why WE would attach Obama's name to this "cleary awful(their words)" thing our Congress created? They want to know why we are being unfair to Obama! I explain that we are being accurate: Obama's refusal to lead on that issue is indicative of his presidency overall, and Obamacare too: entirely political, with 0 real efffort, and therefore, crap results.

 

We can get all Constitution this, and War Powers that, but...clealy ...that's waste of time when we are dealing with: world perception. He looks weak, because he is weak, and that's the take.

The experts (so called experts) from Fox to CNN to everybody has the same opinion of NK, rhetorical sabre rattling (of bed pans.... yes, bed pans). Will flying over as you suggested scare them? Sure, its plausible. Will in antagoize someone into irrational action because the new leader is wet behind the ears and inexpereinced? We don't know, it a relatively unknown commodity...

 

Naive wishing for peace is the surest way to encourage and aggressor.. is that statement true in this case, or is NK just being, well, NK?

Wishing things were true solves nothing...and that is whay most of the Far Left agenda = FAIL. Here's what I know: a despot, especially one who is born and raised to be one, spends their entire life believing nobody can touch them. As such, they never develop any real self-control. Therefore, they never develop any real self-respect. Therefore, there's little chance they have any real courage.

 

So, the first time this kid hears a boom? Cowardice is the most likely response. Followed by: "I'd rather stay a despot, than actually try to have courage, as I don't know what it is".

 

As I said above, this very well could be just a new variation of the same old theme: "We are out of food, gimme some". (Heh, another ringing endorsement of "activist government" and the far-left agenda") See, the media only wants to report about the "nuclear " part. They never want to talk about: socialism is idiocy, and these are the results, so we gave them more food, in return for STFU.

 

As I also said above: this could also be a new thing.

Edited April 8, 2013 by OCinBuffalo

[We Come In Peace]

Strength Will Deter Provocations by North Korea

 

Jim Talent

 

There’s a reason rogue regimes such as North Korea try so hard to acquire nuclear capability. It empowers their conventional aggression by protecting them from reprisals that threaten to remove them from power. That’s because the civilized world knows that, if pushed too far, the regimes can use nuclear weapons against undefended targets. Even if the threat to launch is a bluff, it’s not a bluff the United States can afford to call. Kim Jong Un knows that, whatever else happens as a result of his aggressive tactics, nuclear capability means that he’s not likely to end up in a spider hole the way Saddam Hussein did.

 

That makes provocation a no-lose proposition for the North Korean regime. At worst, from Kim’s point of view, he can challenge his enemies with no consequences that he cares about. (Economic sanctions against North Korea are almost meaningless, at least as long as it has China’s support.) At best, he can create a crisis and then negotiate a “solution” which extracts concessions in return for promises he can later ignore.

 

The challenge for the United States is to change that calculus without using means that escalate the immediate crisis. Here is one step that would be very meaningful. The United States should announce that it is substantially increasing its naval shipbuilding program. At the same time, the Obama administration should privately inform the Chinese government that if China cannot (or will not) control North Korea, the United States will have no choice but to maintain a permanently increased naval presence in the East and South China Seas.

 

In short, the Obama administration should put real power behind its “Asia pivot.” That’s the last thing North Korea wants. More important, China wants it even less. You can bet that as soon as the United States made such an announcement — and it could be delayed until after the current crisis if the administration thinks it would be escalatory in the current context — the phone lines between Beijing and Pyongyang would heat up.

 

 

The North Koreans believe they can provoke conflict with impunity. Perhaps they can in the short term. But a more capable American Navy, exercising an increased presence in the Northwest Pacific, would be a long-term setback for North Korean and Chinese ambitions. That is a consequence neither regime could ignore the next time North Korea contemplates a new provocation.

 

At a fundamental level, defense policy is foreign policy. Weakness, real or perceived, invites challenge; strength deters it. Ronald Reagan understood that, which is why he built up American power in the 1980s. Teddy Roosevelt understood it too; his policy was to walk softly while carrying a big stick. If our leaders absorb that lesson today, and apply it with prudence and purpose, the North Koreans may yet have cause to regret that they decided to rattle their sabers.

 

— Jim Talent served on the Senate Armed Services Committee

 

 

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Nothing better than a new government funded jobs program.

 

I'm in.

[OCinBuffalo]

Own what? Your poor reading, writing and comprehension skills? Ummm... no thank you. Please tell us more about how sonic booms will make North Korea crumble from within.

 

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ts7ol/

 

This is now...full on embarassing for you. And...a Milf pic, but speaking Cheeleader? Your ineptitude is the only hilarity here.

[B-Man]

Nothing better than a new government funded jobs program.

 

I'm in.

 

Reading Comprehension is something for you to shoot for.

 

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[We Come In Peace]

Reading Comprehension is something for you to shoot for.

 

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Yup. I'm still in.

[OCinBuffalo]

Own what? Your poor reading, writing and comprehension skills? Ummm... no thank you. Please tell us more about how sonic booms will make North Korea crumble from within.

 

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ts7ol/

Yup. I'm still in.

As I said...Intellectual....you...

 

Do you even know why I would suggest the concept of a sonic boom...in Asia?

 

You have no idea. And, yes, this is yet another setup. So, by all means, reply and walk into it again. But do it quickly(you have 2 minutes), as I have to get to the gym.

 

Edit: and ironically now that I look at it again, I have to see a chick that isn't too far off the one you posted. Mine has a better face tho...less nose.

Edited April 8, 2013 by OCinBuffalo

[....lybob]

This is now...full on embarassing for you. And...a Milf pic, but speaking Cheeleader? Your ineptitude is the only hilarity here.

actually I think it perfectly captures the ambiguity of someone who presents as a 13 year old boy who's understanding of war comes from playing video games and reading Solider of Fortune yet writes like Grampa Simpson after a minor stroke.

[OCinBuffalo]

actually I think it perfectly captures the ambiguity of someone who presents as a 13 year old boy who's understanding of war comes from playing video games and reading Solider of Fortune yet writes like Grampa Simpson after a minor stroke.

 

Oh ...lybob....the problem for you is: we know that you wouldn't be able to distinguish a 13 year old boy's understanding of war from a West Point cadet's.

 

So your whole argument just...dies...right there.

 

Too late "We Come in Peace"

 

I even waited extra.

[We Come In Peace]

Too late "We Come in Peace"

 

I even waited extra.

Guess that means I won again.

[Rob's House]

1. While we are at it: how is this crazy group of people who are trying to get a nuke, any different than the crazy group of people in Iran? How many "rational actors" in either group? And, define "rational"? Does "pragmatic" fit anywhere?

 

2. Moving on to the JtSP idiocy contaminating this thread....I suppose if we left both crazy groups to their own devices...they'd suddenly cease their nuclear ambitions. Right, just like if we didn't have any cops, there'd be no crime.

I know so many highly educated people who actually believe this bull ****. Apparently the root cause of the deterioration of our inner cities isn't the disintegration of the family or children growing up in hostile environments without positive role models, but the overpolicing of the neighborhoods.

[DC Tom]

But still....do you deny his idiocy?

 

Yeah, denying someone's an idiot. I'm known for that meme.

 

This post still applies:

Don't include me in your little pissing contest. By Occam's Razor, you're both idiots.

[B-Man]

North Korea to 'launch missile TOMORROW'

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/390452/North-Korea-to-launch-missile-TOMORROW-after-warning-foreigners-to-evacuate-South??

 

 

The really need to work on their "sneak attack" concepts.

 

 

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[OCinBuffalo]

Yeah, denying someone's an idiot. I'm known for that meme.

 

This post still applies:

That's it?

 

Man...the next time I open a door like that...I expect a lot morebetter.

 

Guess that means I won again.

No that means you don't know why I would say "sonic boom"...in Asia.