This Winter Is Lasting Like Forever-Are We Entering A New Ice Age?

[3rdnlng]

The headline was totally tongue-in-cheek. Weather isn't climate, but the linked article here is all over the board and appears to have some of the scientists that were part of the "consensus" asking for a do-over. Watcha think, cripple our economy with crap and trade or demand real evidence of man-made climate change substantial enough to change life on earth enough to make a difference?

 

 

http://www.theaustra...6-1226609140980

 

 

"In a lengthy article this week, The Economist magazine said if climate scientists were credit-rating agencies, then climate sensitivity - the way climate reacts to changes in carbon-dioxide levels - would be on negative watch but not yet downgraded.

 

Another paper published by leading climate scientist James Hansen, the head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the lower than expected temperature rise between 2000 and the present could be explained by increased emissions from burning coal.

 

For Hansen the pause is a fact, but it's good news that probably won't last.

 

International Panel on Climate Change chairman Rajendra Pachauri recently told The Weekend Australian the hiatus would have to last 30 to 40 years "at least" to break the long-term warming trend.

 

...But the fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted.

 

Research by Ed Hawkins of University of Reading shows surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range projections derived from 20 climate models and if they remain flat, they will fall outside the models' range within a few years."

 

I sort of like the part that temperatures are down because of all of the coal burning.

[DC Tom]

I like the part where Hansen's mechanism for cooling ultimately causes warming. He's managed to make his theory completely unfalsifiable.

 

The man hasn't been a scientist in some 15 years.

[3rdnlng]

I like the part where Hansen's mechanism for cooling ultimately causes warming. He's managed to make his theory completely unfalsifiable.

 

The man hasn't been a scientist in some 15 years.

 

I wonder if AlGore wants us to burn more coal in order to reduce earthly temperatures?

[Buff_bills4ever]

It's the end of the world!!!

[BringBackFergy]

You really can't win a "global warming / ozone layer depletion" argument. I posed that question to a friend of mine when we had the worst winter in a long time in Upstate NY a few years ago. He said the cold temps and heavy precip was attributable to global warming and the degradation of the ozone layer. I told him to have another bowl of granola and take a nap. It's a circular argument contrived by environmentalists to maintain their own lifestyle and careers.

 

I like the part where Hansen's mechanism for cooling ultimately causes warming. He's managed to make his theory completely unfalsifiable.

 

The man hasn't been a scientist in some 15 years.

"Unfalsifiable"...If that is a word, I like it.

[Nanker]

One or two large volcanic eruptions a year is all we need to keep us cool. Of course - the BO admin is mandating reduced Sulfur in gasoline, so we won't be helping build mother nature's SO₂ screen.

[Jim in Anchorage]

You really can't win a "global warming / ozone layer depletion" argument. I posed that question to a friend of mine when we had the worst winter in a long time in Upstate NY a few years ago. He said the cold temps and heavy precip was attributable to global warming and the degradation of the ozone layer. I told him to have another bowl of granola and take a nap. It's a circular argument contrived by environmentalists to maintain their own lifestyle and careers.

 

 

"Unfalsifiable"...If that is a word, I like it.

Do not ever mention record snow fall to those people. Its because warmer ocean=more moisture=more snow. But why did Anchorage set a all time record low for average temps[temps, not snow] in the month of January in 2012? All time, back to 1915.

[3rdnlng]

Do not ever mention record snow fall to those people. Its because warmer ocean=more moisture=more snow. But why did Anchorage set a all time record low for average temps[temps, not snow] in the month of January in 2012? All time, back to 1915.

 

Record snowfall=global warming. Little snowfall=global warming. High temperatures=global warming. Low temperatures=global warming. Volcanic eruptions and carbon emissions are the only thing that can save us. It is our patriotic duty to embrace fracking and cure this rising waters thingy.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Record snowfall=global warming. Little snowfall=global warming. High temperatures=global warming. Low temperatures=global warming. Volcanic eruptions and carbon emissions are the only thing that can save us. It is our patriotic duty to embrace fracking and cure this rising waters thingy.

Maybe a nuclear winter is now a good thing? Who knows what the cause of the day is with those people.

[DC Tom]

Do not ever mention record snow fall to those people. Its because warmer ocean=more moisture=more snow. But why did Anchorage set a all time record low for average temps[temps, not snow] in the month of January in 2012? All time, back to 1915.

 

The year before last, the series of storms that hit the mid-Atlantic were due to weakened seasonal high pressure over the middle of the continent, which would normally push Atlantic storms farther east as they move north. Instead, they tracked farther west...so instead of nor'easters in New England and the Maritimes, you got storms in the mid-Atlantic US.

 

And that weakened seasonal high pressure would be a feature of global warming.

 

Which also illustrates nicely the difference between weather and climate.

[B-Man]

We're Doomed, Send Money Fast!

by Clarice Feldman

 

It's a perennial favorite of scammers to claim we face pending doom that can be averted only if we quickly send them more money or do what they want us to. From The Music Man's "

" to the emails purporting to be from family members who've been robbed or imprisoned overseas, the game is a constant money maker for the con men who employ it.

 

Count President Obama as one of the masters of the art of diverting attention from facts, crying doom and grabbing yet more money from our pockets to enrich his buddies, increase his power and further impoverish us.

 

Two stories along this line caught my attention this week. First there was this Bloomberg news report:

 

President Barack Obama is preparing to tell all federal agencies for the first time that they should consider the impact on global warming before approving major projects, from pipelines to highways.

The result could be significant delays for natural gas-export facilities, ports for coal sales to Asia, and even new forest roads, industry lobbyists warn.

"It's got us very freaked out," said Ross Eisenberg, vice president of the National Association of Manufacturers, a Washington-based group that represents 11,000 companies such as Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) and Southern Co. (SO) The standards, which constitute guidance for agencies and not new regulations, are set to be issued in the coming weeks, according to lawyers briefed by administration officials.In taking the step, Obama would be fulfilling a vow to act alone in the face of a Republican-run House of Representatives unwilling to pass measures limiting greenhouse gases. He'd expand the scope of a Nixon-era law that was first intended to force agencies to assess the effect of projects on air, water and soil pollution.

 

 

Then the AP noted this specific directive from the administration:

 

The Obama administration proposed new regulations Friday to clean up gasoline and automobile emissions, claiming the new standards would provide $7 in health benefits from cleaner air for each dollar spent to implement them. The costs likely would be passed on to consumers in higher gasoline and automobile prices.The Environmental Protection Agency said the new rule would reduce sulfur in gasoline and tighten automobile emission standards beginning in 2017, resulting in an increase in gas prices of less than a penny per gallon. The agency estimated it also would add $130 to the cost of a vehicle in 2025, but predicted it would yield billions of dollars in health benefits by slashing smog- and soot-forming pollution. EPA Acting Administrator Bob Perciasepe said the proposal is designed to "protect the environment and public health in an affordable and practical way." The oil industry, Republicans and some Democrats wanted EPA to delay the rule, citing higher costs. An oil industry study says it could increase gasoline prices by 6 to 9 cents a gallon.

 

 

Driving energy costs higher has always been on the administration's stated agenda. Ostensibly this is because of the need to cut greenhouse gases. This week some argued that the rationale for these two economically devastating new initiatives had been undercut by the federal government's own scientists within days of being proposed.

 

 

NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that "greenhouse gases" actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth's upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet's surface.

 

 

Watts up with That indicates this report was misinterpreted, that while it is true with respect to the upper atmosphere "(thermosphere) when it gets hit by solar flares," it ought not to be taken as an accurate description of what occurs at lower atmospheres: "It is a twisting of the facts in a press release about solar flares and the thermosphere to make it look like the lower atmosphere works the same way

 

 

 

http://www.americant...l#ixzz2P9AD3VFs

 

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Edited March 31, 2013 by B-Man

[DC Tom]

NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that "greenhouse gases" actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth's upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet's surface.

 

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. That's not what LRC said.

[3rdnlng]

You are an idiot.

 

Real Scientists are doing real research that results in wherever the data leads. If that means second guessing themselves, then that is what science is all about.

 

In any case, real scientists are trying hard to gather as much data as possible.

http://news.mongabay...ssing-heat.html

 

Watcha know, It's April Fool's Day and Conner comes out from under her rock and posts schit. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Nanker]

There is a certain comic symmetry about his posting today.

[3rdnlng]

There is a certain comic symmetry about his posting today.

 

Conner is a female. Don't you recognize pms when it occurs?