Hammered a Lot Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I say rebuild the Bills stadium just like the Bears and Packers have done. If that does not happen then make it a fishing pond! The Falcons are putting up 800 Million Dollars of their own money to fund a 1 Billion Dollar retractable roof stadium in downtown Atlanta with the rest of the $ coming from public funding. Wish that was the WNY scenario with the Bills. Public funding to the over all tune of $542 million.
Chandler#81 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 .. Canadians are not going to cross the border to shop at a mall in NF, NY. They have plenty of shopping right on their own side of the border. Buffalo has malls too, and why would anyone drive into NF to go a club? Your analysis isn't very current. But you're close. Just 25-30 years off..
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Your analysis isn't very current. But you're close. Just 25-30 years off.. Perhaps you haven't been to NF in 25 or 30 years. Also, as I said, even with some Canadians coming to the outlet mall (and even the half filled casino), NF's fortunes have not changed. Take the ride in from Robert Moses to 4th St to Main. Go grab a primo parking spot at the casino on a Friday night. My opinion is that if a new stadium is built, put it in OP or Buffalo. Putting it in NF would be like putting a stadium in Pontiac, Mich.
BRAWNDO Posted March 21, 2013 Author Posted March 21, 2013 Niagara County Legislature Democrats are in weighing in. http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130320/CITYANDREGION/130329934/1003 Also this little tidbit Niagara Falls Redevelopment controls 142 acres of vacant land in downtown Niagara Falls. Its local head, Roger Trevino, is the former agent of Bills Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly, who has been rumored to be interested in being part of an ownership group that might try to purchase the Bills and keep them here after the death of Ralph Wilson Jr., the team’s 94-year-old owner.
nick in* england Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Can anyone imagine the traffic hell on the bridges if it was in NF? It's bad enough on game days as it is.
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Erie County taxpayers might be happy to see a Niagara Falls stadium. Erie County is paying over $100 million over the next 10 years towards the Ralph Stadium renovations plus all of their other game day costs that they are responsible for. Is Niagara County willing to pay the local costs of having the Bills in Niagara Falls? Seems like a lot of money to be spread over a much smaller county population. I don't know what the local share of a new stadium will be but it will be a hefty tab for Niagara County. Other counties don't currently share in Erie's expenses, so I doubt that Erie County will have to contribute towards expenses of a Niagara Falls stadium.
Joe W Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 A new stadium is nothing but a pipe dream it's absolutely absurd that they'll be building a new one after throwing $150 million into this one over the next five years. Then they'll have to demo RWS with a decade of bond payments still to be made. File these plans with the Bass Pro, Adelphia Tower, Watrfront Theme Park New Peace Bridge etc etc
ALF Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) A small increase in sales tax for the 8 WNY counties to fund a new stadium and how about the casinos pitching in. Seneca Nation Stadium ? Whatever it takes to keep the Bills here, I'am for it. Edited March 21, 2013 by independent
Wing Man Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Niagara Falls is the logical choice in my mind. The problem is and always has been that the local government couldn't find water if it fell out of a boat. The development in that city is inconceivably bad. Niagara Falls should be a shining city on a hill, but it's a dump. It's no wonder that people flock to the Canadian side. The outer harbor is another ideal location, but again the local and county government can't agree to move forward. With respect to domes or no domes, who cares? We love crappy weather football and at the same time we love enjoying our sports in comfort (FNC). Cities with domed facilities have no trouble whatsoever with the 12th man. Those places are hell to play in because it's downright impossible to hear the snap count or the audibles. This is a choice fraught with calamity. If they agree on a site and the whole thing grinds to a halt midway in the bureaucracy, it's sunk. Make a decision, any decision, and embrace it and move forward until the doors open. Delay and the whole thing goes to hell.
thebandit27 Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Niagara Falls is the logical choice in my mind. The problem is and always has been that the local government couldn't find water if it fell out of a boat. The development in that city is inconceivably bad. Niagara Falls should be a shining city on a hill, but it's a dump. It's no wonder that people flock to the Canadian side. The outer harbor is another ideal location, but again the local and county government can't agree to move forward. With respect to domes or no domes, who cares? We love crappy weather football and at the same time we love enjoying our sports in comfort (FNC). Cities with domed facilities have no trouble whatsoever with the 12th man. Those places are hell to play in because it's downright impossible to hear the snap count or the audibles. This is a choice fraught with calamity. If they agree on a site and the whole thing grinds to a halt midway in the bureaucracy, it's sunk. Make a decision, any decision, and embrace it and move forward until the doors open. Delay and the whole thing goes to hell. It's more about having the stadium available to host events year round like concerts and conventions, which would bring in more revenue. As for the game, I absolutely agree, keep the roof open.
LabattBlue Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 For those suggesting that a new stadium should be built in downtown Buffalo, where exactly do you propose that they put it?
wolfpack Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Bethlehem Steel? Isn't that a super fund site? One would think The cleanup costs would be massive.. But the land is free. http://www.epa.gov/region02/waste/fsbetlhe.htm
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Can anyone imagine the traffic hell on the bridges if it was in NF? It's bad enough on game days as it is. Then don't take the bridges. Like I said before there are at least 3 other major roadways you can take that don't involve the Grand Island bridges. PTR
Chris in Syracuse Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Why don't they just build the new stadium next to the ralph like what the jets and giants did. They already have their offices and a a practice facility there. They can salvage some things from the old ralph and there is plenty of space to put the new stadium in the parking lot and when they tear down the old stadium they can make that space a parking lot.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) Why don't they just build the new stadium next to the ralph like what the jets and giants did. They already have their offices and a a practice facility there. They can salvage some things from the old ralph and there is plenty of space to put the new stadium in the parking lot and when they tear down the old stadium they can make that space a parking lot. I'm sure Hammer would go for this. Frankly it's a logical, safe move. But what sort of revenue potential does it have? There is little if any development around RWS now. Would there be more in downtown? The Falls? Near UB? Considering we have to live with the decision for decades it's worth taking our time. But speaking of development near stadiums, there is a massive mall that sits empty at the Meadowlands. It was a clusterf**k from the get go.. PTR Edited March 22, 2013 by PromoTheRobot
MarkyMannn Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Erie County taxpayers might be happy to see a Niagara Falls stadium. Erie County is paying over $100 million over the next 10 years towards the Ralph Stadium renovations plus all of their other game day costs that they are responsible for. Is Niagara County willing to pay the local costs of having the Bills in Niagara Falls? That's what I said a couple pages ago A small increase in sales tax for the 8 WNY counties to fund a new stadium and how about the casinos pitching in. Seneca Nation Stadium ? The Indians are not paying and are with-holding what they owe NF right now. You can't count on them Then don't take the bridges. Like I said before there are at least 3 other major roadways you can take that don't involve the Grand Island bridges. PTR PTR, while the roads exist, they are not the infrastructure to handle the volume of a game. IE River Road? No way You know for everyone that says put the stadium downtown to revitalize the city, what did the stadium do for bringing business to its current location. Nothing
thebandit27 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 That's what I said a couple pages ago The Indians are not paying and are with-holding what they owe NF right now. You can't count on them PTR, while the roads exist, they are not the infrastructure to handle the volume of a game. IE River Road? No way You know for everyone that says put the stadium downtown to revitalize the city, what did the stadium do for bringing business to its current location. Nothing So you're going to tell me that places like Danny's, Big Tree Inn, etc. have garnered zero profit from the Ralph being located less than a mile away?
PromoTheRobot Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 (edited) PTR, while the roads exist, they are not the infrastructure to handle the volume of a game. IE River Road? No way And Abbott Rd and Southwestern are?? I'm sure a traffic study would be done before a stadium is built but I have no doubt there are enough roads to NF to handle it. There are 4 major routes into NF: I-190, LaSalle Expwy, NF Blvd, and Rt 104. RWS has Southwestern, Abbott and Big Tree Rds. Roads to RWS Roads to possible Falls stadium I think a good test was the Wallenda tight rope walk. How many people arrived by car? How was traffic handled for that event? PTR Edited March 22, 2013 by PromoTheRobot
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 PTR- Who cares about the roads? I mean really, it is 7 days out of the year and they are usually Sundays when there hsould be little to no other traffic. Places like San Fran and Pitt have stadiums which have to over come geographic boundries like water or mountains. The Falls is the place to build the Stadium, it just makes so much sense for so many reasons. It could be one of the main catalysts which put Buffalo back on the right path and start to really bring the pop. back.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 PTR- Who cares about the roads? I mean really, it is 7 days out of the year and they are usually Sundays when there hsould be little to no other traffic. Places like San Fran and Pitt have stadiums which have to over come geographic boundries like water or mountains. The Falls is the place to build the Stadium, it just makes so much sense for so many reasons. It could be one of the main catalysts which put Buffalo back on the right path and start to really bring the pop. back. Well roads are big argument used against the Falls. As you can see there is no shortage of routes to a Falls site. PTR
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