Chef Jim Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 So now you are resorting to retarded comments? Seriously is that what you got out of what I said? Let's take a look at what I said: Doesn't seem to me that I was implying that it was THE "way" to get more money into the economy. I wasn't even making that point. I was speaking specifically to this issue. The point I made was two fold, one that the cost of living is rising for people and that an increase in wages would help their situation, and two that corporations are flushed with cash and that I believe are easily able to absorb these costs. I want to ask you and everyone else here a question. Has your income gone up in the past five years. I'll answer first. YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Please illustrate to me how when they did raise the minimum wage it stifled growth. The burden of proof is on you. Thank you in advance. YOU MADE THE CLAIM, YOURE THE ECONOMICS EXPERT, YOU BACK IT THE !@#$ UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 <p>have you ever noticed that snake oil salesmen sell stuff for ailments conventional medicine can't effectively treat? like baldness, hangovers and obesity. look at the industry that's developed around obesity. how many could stay in business if there truly was a simple fix? maybe you didn't understand my synopsis of the lecture: weight loss programs, even involving diet and exercise, are inherently contradictory to innate feedback mechanisms developed evolutionarily. any currently available method is fighting the bodies natural tendencies. can it be done? yes, but the vast majority that attempt it fail. You answered your own question. They stay in business because people are weak and stupid and fall for snake oil salesmen just like they have been since the beginning of time. Any "currently available method"?? The way to lose weight is not via a purchased 'weight loss program'. The way to lose weight is to eat LESS food, eat HEALTHIER food, and to INCREASE your amount of exercise. Do those 3 things in increasing increments until you start losing weight. Continue until you reach the desired impact. There ya go....KD's weight loss "program", and it's available to everyone -- for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Actually, I oppose the minimum wage; but I don't hate it. I think it does more harm than good. With that said, I do hate Magox's idea, because caste systems are bad; and his idea is terrible. That fact that I can't help but agree with an idiot truther like yourself should be enough to make Magox stop and think all on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 You answered your own question. They stay in business because people are weak and stupid and fall for snake oil salesmen just like they have been since the beginning of time. Any "currently available method"?? The way to lose weight is not via a purchased 'weight loss program'. The way to lose weight is to eat LESS food, eat HEALTHIER food, and to INCREASE your amount of exercise. Do those 3 things in increasing increments until you start losing weight. Continue until you reach the desired impact. There ya go....KD's weight loss "program", and it's available to everyone -- for free. have you ever met anyone that's done all that and still not lost more than 10% or lost more and gained it back? now you know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 have you ever met anyone that's done all that and still not lost more than 10% or lost more and gained it back? now you know why. Because the average human lacks willpower. WTF is your point here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 You answered your own question. They stay in business because people are weak and stupid and fall for snake oil salesmen just like they have been since the beginning of time. Any "currently available method"?? The way to lose weight is not via a purchased 'weight loss program'. The way to lose weight is to eat LESS food, eat HEALTHIER food, and to INCREASE your amount of exercise. Do those 3 things in increasing increments until you start losing weight. Continue until you reach the desired impact. There ya go....KD's weight loss "program", and it's available to everyone -- for free. It's difficult and it does take sacrifices and beating bad habits. Maybe because he's a doctor, he sees everything from the point of view of treatment rather than personal sacrifice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 have you ever met anyone that's done all that and still not lost more than 10% or lost more and gained it back? now you know why. Sure have. The reason is always the same: lack of willpower. "It's too hard" is the common refrain. The need to eat ice cream, frech fries and drink soda/beer is just too much to resist. Conversely, I've never met anyone who eats a light, healthy diet and exercises regulary who is obese. Even people I know with screwed up thyroids manage to keep it under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 it isn't working when 50 million people are on food stamps. it isn't working when over 1 million school kids are reported by their schools to be homeless. it isn't working when millions more go hungry on a regular basis. it isn't working when all this is going on and wealth is becoming even more concentrated. Good God... Could you make a more disingenuous argument? 50 million people are on food stamps because the threshold for foodstamp eligibility was raised to a standard which includes a massive sum of individuals who don't need to be on food stamps. 1 million children are reported as homeless by their school districts, not because they don't have homes, but because they are immigrant students who don't have permanent addresses, spending a large portion of the each year in their family homes in Central and South America, and staying with family members when they are in the US. Christ, man. Have atleast a clue what the !@#$ you're talking about before you open your idiot mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 That's fine, you believe it would stifle growth, I don't. Secondly I know that when I go to a fast food restaurant, there are many people who are working there that aren't teenagers and I assume that many of these people have families. So I don't care that you believe it was "intended" for teenagers, the reality is that there are many people who don't fall under your criteria of who should hold these jobs. In regards to family solving societal problems, sure I think that's important, and that would be the ideal situation, but it's not realistic. You can talk about "should" all day long, and I will agree with that, but you will never see your ideal "should" scenario play out in your life time. It's simple. I believe that it won't stifle growth, that it won't effect profits much for most corporations and that I believe it will benefit employees earning minimum wage, and I believe it will produce positive effects on the economy. Look at the data, it's clear that the majority of minimum wage holders are young and in temp jobs. Of course there are non-teens in many of those jobs. But how do you know they're simoly not supplementing other family income? What are their numbers? Minimum wage hikes haven't had a tangible effect on growth yet because businesses know they're sporadic and not tied to automatic cola increases. You are advocating set economic policy based on the sample outliers? If you do, then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 That fact that I can't help but agree with an idiot truther like yourself should be enough to make Magox stop and think all on its own. /sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 have you ever met anyone that's done all that and still not lost more than 10% or lost more and gained it back? now you know why. Yes, many. It's due to habits. Generally someone who eats a low sugar/ low carbohydrate and high protein/veggie diet will generally have a healthy weight range. Go to a supermarket and take a look at the main ingredients in most food sold and you'll understand why people can't lose weight, because they eat ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Yes, many. It's due to habits. Generally someone who eats a low sugar/ low carbohydrate and high protein/veggie diet will generally have a healthy weight range. Go to a supermarket and take a look at the main ingredients in most food sold and you'll understand why people can't lose weight, because they eat ****. Yeah but you know the old saying man: Life is like a **** sandwich. The more bread you have the less **** you eat. Liberals have always have connected well with Cheech and Chong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) It's difficult and it does take sacrifices and beating bad habits. Maybe because he's a doctor, he sees everything from the point of view of treatment rather than personal sacrifice? He's a doctor? Yikes. But that does make it easier to understand his willful ignorance on the topic. Like many in his profession, he only sees two paths: 1) take this drug to cure you or 2) we don't have a cure for that yet. Just look at how his profession has been working at turning obesity into a 'disease' in recent years, and how in his post below he references the 'currently available methods' as if the only way to 'treat' obesity is by some miracle pill with the FDA stamp of approval. Oh, and then there's the bolded part: weight loss programs, even involving diet and exercise, are inherently contradictory to innate feedback mechanisms developed evolutionarily. any currently available method is fighting the bodies natural tendencies. can it be done? yes, but the vast majority that attempt it fail. The human body has a natural tendency to gain weight throughout adulthood?? Good golly, makes you wonder what miracle all those non-fat people are relying on!! Edited March 21, 2013 by KD in CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Yes, many. It's due to habits. Generally someone who eats a low sugar/ low carbohydrate and high protein/veggie diet will generally have a healthy weight range. Go to a supermarket and take a look at the main ingredients in most food sold and you'll understand why people can't lose weight, because they eat ****. didn't you say you gained some of your loss back? are you weak willed? geez, we don't need no stinkin studies, don't need no endocrinologists or cardiologists. people just need more willpower! when a smoker comes in with chest pain next time maybe i'll try that one- brilliant! hmmm, could probably use that with std's too. guess what, human beings make mistakes and don't live perfect lives like i'm sure yall do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 There ya go....KD's weight loss "program", and it's available to everyone -- for free. That made me think of this great SNL skit that never gets old... http://www.nbc.com/s...uy-stuff/27169/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 didn't you say you gained some of your loss back? are you weak willed? geez, we don't need no stinkin studies, don't need no endocrinologists or cardiologists. people just need more willpower! when a smoker comes in with chest pain next time maybe i'll try that one- brilliant! hmmm, could probably use that with std's too. guess what, human beings make mistakes and don't live perfect lives like i'm sure yall do. On any given Sunday I can destroy anything with sugar around me at the blink of an eye. Cookies? Sure! Ice cream? Definitely. Part of the reason I gained some weight back is because I fell off the wagon. It's no secret that I have the tendency to balloon into a starting offensive lineman if I am not careful but that comes from my own willpower and the choices I make as an individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 On any given Sunday I can destroy anything with sugar around me at the blink of an eye. Cookies? Sure! Ice cream? Definitely. Part of the reason I gained some weight back is because I fell off the wagon. It's no secret that I have the tendency to balloon into a starting offensive lineman if I am not careful but that comes from my own willpower and the choices I make as an individual. I can help and here's how. I'll outlaw 32oz soft drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Well, obviously...but it seems to me that TYTT is right in that it creates a sort of minimum-wage caste hierarchy in the interests of trying to avoid a shock to the economy (which I'm not convinced it would prevent anyway), when the traditional manner of phasing the increase in over a period of time would probably work just as well. Which is all, of course, completely beside the ridiculous idea that increasing minimum wage somehow magically eliminates poverty, which I'm still waiting for whoever-it-was with the cheeseburger-based economic theory to adequately explain, Well, I didn't make that claim. Also, rarely are there solutions that are of the variety of the be-all and end-all silver bullet ones. My view is based on three main points. 1) Cost of living is rising and wages should reflect that, if it is doable. In other words from the workers perspective. 2) Corporations are flushed with cash, and it is my belief that they easily could withstand this increase, without skipping a beat. 3) That there would be a net positive effect on the economy. Listen, you think that I like being on the side of an argument that defends mandates? I just normally don't agree with them in many instances because it usually from my perspective doesn't produce the intended results. This just happens to be one instance where I happen to believe that an increase to the level we are talking about, won't detrimentally harm corporations and would have a small net positive effect on a tiny sect of workers and the economy. I've thought about this issue a good bit over the years, and I've simply come to a different conclusion than most of you here. Edited March 21, 2013 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 That made me think of this great SNL skit that never gets old... http://www.nbc.com/s...uy-stuff/27169/ This one is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YfvBbxE1vU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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