WWVaBeach Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I will not tell you the stories because you would be incapable of understanding them in your urban world. Nor do I care to pass on my Alaska hunting stories to someone who cannot understand, much less appreciate them. Go on, bait me. You will never understand a Grizz trying to rip your head off till you have shoved a gun in his face and blew his brains all over your sleeping bag. Enough. Now go shop for grapes and let me be a coward. I'd love to hear that story Jim.
Beerball Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 On a sad note a young woman was killed by a lion yesterday at a California sanctuary.
The Poojer Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) was that the chick that got attacked & killed while having sex with her boyfriend 'in the bush'...the story said the boyfriend escaped with just a condom....but i assumed that story was from africa...i'll try and find the story ok, found the story, and my story is in zimbabwe....perhaps we need more laws against lions, this is happening far too frequently http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/lion-kills-zimbabwe-woman-having-sex-in-african-bush_n_2820870.html On a sad note a young woman was killed by a lion yesterday at a California sanctuary. Edited March 7, 2013 by The Poojer
mrags Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Well that's all fine and dandy. How does that relate to me who go's on solo fly in/float out moose Hunt's on a bear infested river? doesnt impress me if you go on hunts just for Bear. If you were hunting and a bear happened to come across you and was going to tear your face off and you "blew his brains all over your sleeping bag" then I would be in awe of your feats. Although, if you happened to somehow do something stupid to attract the bear to your area then I'd say you probably deserved what you got coming to you. It would be like me walking through the Fruit Belt in Buffalo yelling that im from a rival gang and expect not to get robbed, beat up, or shot. If you wanted an urban comparison, that's about as close to it as I can get. But I wouldn't expect you country bumpkin Alaskan mountain men to understand that. Edited March 7, 2013 by mrags
DrDawkinstein Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Would you watch it if they didn't shoot a lion? Cuz if he didn't, that guy was about 2 seconds from being shredded. Would rather the lion shred every person in that hunting party.
mrags Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Would rather the lion shred every person in that hunting party. im a gun supporter and I agree with this message.
DrDawkinstein Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 im a gun supporter and I agree with this message. I have the same impression of these safaris that you do. Some kitty paying the locals to drive him around, find the animal, point the gun for him, and pull the trigger... just so he can get a cool pick of himself next to some large, wild animal to try and look manly. Pathetic at best.
mrags Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I have the same impression of these safaris that you do. Some kitty paying the locals to drive him around, find the animal, point the gun for him, and pull the trigger... just so he can get a cool pick of himself next to some large, wild animal to try and look manly. Pathetic at best. yup. That's pretty much my exact impression. Now, I don't even hunt deer (not that I couldn't, I'm a VERY GOOD SHOT) but I understand that part of it. The deer has hunting seasons to keep the populations manageable. People also do it for food. This food could last a long time if butchered and stored properly. But the big game hunts, even ones like going out to Colorado or Canada for larger, more intriguing game are pointless to me. It's just a chance for the shooter to stroke their epeen.
Dibs Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 ....It's just a chance for the shooter to stroke their epeen. I had to look that up in the urban dictionary.....the standard one didn't have it. Don't confuse me like that.
BringBackFergy Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I have the same impression of these safaris that you do. Some kitty paying the locals to drive him around, find the animal, point the gun for him, and pull the trigger... just so he can get a cool pick of himself next to some large, wild animal to try and look manly. Pathetic at best. I am a hunter and agree with you guys. I hunt deer, turkey and grouse. Have raised my son to respect the animal and eat whatever you harvest. There is a thriving population of deer, turkeys and grouse in our area based on this premise (you must thin out the herd and population each year to allow continued health within the species...I have literally had turkeys fly into the side of my truck and many deer are seen laying on the side of the road to support the argument that overpopulation is a real problem). We also have a shooting preserve in the area which I totally disagree with. This place has hundreds of deer (Axis deer, Red Stag, whitetail, mule deer, etc) and they are contained in a 1000 acre fenced in preserve. People pay thousands of dollars to drive around in a gator, set up and stalk a trophy deer...what a friggin joke. There is no pride in shooting an animal that is placed in front of you and has no means of escape. No sport involved whatsoever.
DC Tom Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 i highly doubt Mumbato gets any cut of that cash for his little tribe. He might get 5lbs of the worst meat to take with him back to his hut when he's done but that's probably it. The permit money all goes to the corrupt governments there. Simmer down. We have been getting along for quite a while lately. No need to get all aggressive towards me here. Facts are closer to the African tribesmen don't receive much or anything from big game hunts than your guess. Last I checks, your not calling a tribe in Africa somewhere to take you on some hunt. Your calling the rich white man from South Africa that has made a living for himself in Africa off the locals. He's the one that drives the nice new Land Rover for you from the second you get off the plane until the second you get back to the airport to leave. Actually, the money goes into conservation programs that, among other things, fight poaching. And it's a HELL of a lot of money. There's a reason the elephant population has suffered more since the ban on ivory exports - no one hunts elephants, since they can't take the trophies home, which is a couple million each year lost to conservation efforts (e.g. paying park rangers), which means there's less pressure on the poachers themselves, hence more poaching pressure on the elephants. Not only that, but the revenue hunting generates must be replaced, usually by cash crops, reducing the elephants' habitat and putting even more pressure on elephant herds (requiring them to be cropped). NOT hunting in Africa actually ends up killing more game than hunting does. I have the same impression of these safaris that you do. Some kitty paying the locals to drive him around, find the animal, point the gun for him, and pull the trigger... just so he can get a cool pick of himself next to some large, wild animal to try and look manly. Pathetic at best. Not quite. Some hunting is like that (and I have little respect for hunters that hunt from the back of a Land Rover)...but judging by the video, they stalked that lion on foot for a few miles, and close enough that they took a charge from mere yards away in cover. And it was a lucky shot - a brain shot on a lion is almost impossible, as the brain sits behind thick, sloped bone. That wasn't a 200 yard shot on the open savannah - the hunting in that video was dangerous. The guy being charged was lucky as hell.
Beerball Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I am a hunter and agree with you guys. I hunt deer, turkey and grouse. Have raised my son to respect the animal and eat whatever you harvest. There is a thriving population of deer, turkeys and grouse in our area based on this premise (you must thin out the herd and population each year to allow continued health within the species...I have literally had turkeys fly into the side of my truck and many deer are seen laying on the side of the road to support the argument that overpopulation is a real problem). We also have a shooting preserve in the area which I totally disagree with. This place has hundreds of deer (Axis deer, Red Stag, whitetail, mule deer, etc) and they are contained in a 1000 acre fenced in preserve. People pay thousands of dollars to drive around in a gator, set up and stalk a trophy deer...what a friggin joke. There is no pride in shooting an animal that is placed in front of you and has no means of escape. No sport involved whatsoever. Sounds like you have a truck problem, not an overpopulation problem!
mrags Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Actually, the money goes into conservation programs that, among other things, fight poaching. And it's a HELL of a lot of money. There's a reason the elephant population has suffered more since the ban on ivory exports - no one hunts elephants, since they can't take the trophies home, which is a couple million each year lost to conservation efforts (e.g. paying park rangers), which means there's less pressure on the poachers themselves, hence more poaching pressure on the elephants. Not only that, but the revenue hunting generates must be replaced, usually by cash crops, reducing the elephants' habitat and putting even more pressure on elephant herds (requiring them to be cropped). NOT hunting in Africa actually ends up killing more game than hunting does. Not quite. Some hunting is like that (and I have little respect for hunters that hunt from the back of a Land Rover)...but judging by the video, they stalked that lion on foot for a few miles, and close enough that they took a charge from mere yards away in cover. And it was a lucky shot - a brain shot on a lion is almost impossible, as the brain sits behind thick, sloped bone. That wasn't a 200 yard shot on the open savannah - the hunting in that video was dangerous. The guy being charged was lucky as hell. i don't know if I take your Elephant story serious or not. It sounds like something anyone could make up and it's so crazy it could be fact or complete BS. It might make sense. I could see it being true, I could also see it being total crap by pro-hunters. As far as the shot the guy in the video made. Yes, great shot. He should be happy with himself. He was lucky as hell. And if he hadnt flown all the way to Africa to hunt a deadly animal, he wouldn't have been in a position to get killed in the first place. If he wants to see the lion close up, he could take a trip to the zoo. There's plenty of them around.
Gugny Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 I am a hunter and agree with you guys. I hunt deer, turkey and grouse. Have raised my son to respect the animal and eat whatever you harvest. There is a thriving population of deer, turkeys and grouse in our area based on this premise (you must thin out the herd and population each year to allow continued health within the species...I have literally had turkeys fly into the side of my truck and many deer are seen laying on the side of the road to support the argument that overpopulation is a real problem). We also have a shooting preserve in the area which I totally disagree with. This place has hundreds of deer (Axis deer, Red Stag, whitetail, mule deer, etc) and they are contained in a 1000 acre fenced in preserve. People pay thousands of dollars to drive around in a gator, set up and stalk a trophy deer...what a friggin joke. There is no pride in shooting an animal that is placed in front of you and has no means of escape. No sport involved whatsoever. I am not a hunter, although I've been hunting - with my father as a young boy. My father taught me to respect guns and animals. He made VERY clear to me that hunting with no real use for what you're going after is not hunting ... it's killing. Personally, I can't bring myself to shoot a defenseless animal. But I am not anti-hunting, by any means. My son has shown interest in hunting (one of his friends' dad is really into it), and I actually feel badly that he doesn't have a chance in hell at shooting at another living being until he's an adult. But I'm not going to let him hunt without me, and I'm not going to hunt ... so I guess it just sucks for him. Hunting is necessary for population control. And I truly believe the vast majority of hunters are responisible and respectful.
DC Tom Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 i don't know if I take your Elephant story serious or not. It sounds like something anyone could make up and it's so crazy it could be fact or complete BS. It might make sense. I could see it being true, I could also see it being total crap by pro-hunters. You can easily look up the raw data yourself and make your own conclusion. As far as the shot the guy in the video made. Yes, great shot. He should be happy with himself. He was lucky as hell. And if he hadnt flown all the way to Africa to hunt a deadly animal, he wouldn't have been in a position to get killed in the first place. If he wants to see the lion close up, he could take a trip to the zoo. There's plenty of them around. So you don't object to the hunting...you object to the trans-oceanic flight?
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) How small does your penis have to be before you decide "I need to take a high powered rifle and kill one of the most amazing animals on the planet"? I think they need to change the rules. You want to kill a lion? Make it a fair fight, here's a knife, good luck. We're supposed to be an "evolved" species yet our desire to prove our manhood by killing **** just because we can is proof positive that we're still cavemen. Trophy hunting is disgusting and ranks riugh up there with whaling imo. Watching a bunch of rich white guys killing some a magnificient creature is nothing short of repulsive. Edited March 7, 2013 by Mike in Syracuse
BringBackFergy Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 Sounds like you have a truck problem, not an overpopulation problem! gobble gobble
mrags Posted March 7, 2013 Posted March 7, 2013 You can easily look up the raw data yourself and make your own conclusion. So you don't object to the hunting...you object to the trans-oceanic flight? i mostly object to hunting for no reasons other than to stroke your epeen. Especially in an animal like a lion. No other reason to hunt a lion. If you were hunting and a lion posed a threat, I'm perfectly fine with taking that shot. But to put yourself in the situation to get mauled by the lion running at you, yeah, I have no problem with that guy getting his head taken off by that lion. He put himself in that position.
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