TBD Vote: OG

[Numark]

So let's do something a little fun gang. I'm going to create a topic (every day or so) for each position until free agency. As a community we can rate how well off we feel the Bills are at the position. Then we can do this after free agency, and then we can do this after the draft. This way we can see where our holes really are at, what we need to address, and to see if the bills address these needs. Please be rational/honest with your voting. Also please post as well as vote, that way we can say I told you so in a few months!

 

 

 

Current Situation

Please feel free to correct me if you feel I have made a mistake here. This is based on what I believe would be the starters/backups if the season started today.

 

*For this position I decided to include our UFAs just so if we do lose them/replace them, we can compare them to this situation we had.

 

 

Starting LG: Andy Levitre

Starting RG: Kraig Uribik

Depth: Chad Rinehart, Keith Williams, Andrew Jackson

 

 

 

Previous Polls (Please vote in these polls if you have not done so already, they are still open! No need to post in them but vote away): QB | RB | WR | TE | OT

Edited March 2, 2013 by Numark

[Matt in KC]

I'm not sure how anyone could give Levitre less than "Good" given it's the top rating. I might have had to think about it if it had gone up to "top 5" or "worthy of pro bowl".

 

It will be very interesting to see how our o-line looks this year with a new offense and coaches. While I really want Levitre to stay because of his talent, continuity etc., I also would love to see how all the same players perform in a different scheme to evaluate the coaches.

[Numark]

yea i decided to go with only 5 options so it wouldn't spread out the vote too much! And I agree

[ny33]

"Above average" implies that a player is in the top 15; if "good" is the next category, then let's say it's the top twelve. Urbik is a solid player, but who is delusional enough to think that he is a top twelve RG?

[Meathead]

the mistake in the poll was using 'good' for the top ranking. ppl associate good with not great, but your scale is 1 to 5 so in this case good is actually great. now youll have some ppl using a 1 to 5 ranks, while others will be making an emotional call based on their interpretation of the word good

 

levitre is good but hes not elite, thus he should be a 4 in a 1 to 5 scale. but as we can see, most have rated him as 'good', essentially making the poll much less accurate than it could be

 

next time i suggest using the labels something like excellent, good, average, poor, cutworthy

[Numark]

"Above average" implies that a player is in the top 15; if "good" is the next category, then let's say it's the top twelve. Urbik is a solid player, but who is delusional enough to think that he is a top twelve RG?

 

I don't think you can base these ratings only on comparing them to 31 other starters. You also have to take into talent and potential. For example, at QB the rankings don't go from 1 - 32 (brady to Kolb). Thats assuming the 32 starters in th league are the top 32 players. Where would players like flynn or cousins fall? Both are better than kolb. But yea haha

 

 

the mistake in the poll was using 'good' for the top ranking. ppl associate good with not great, but your scale is 1 to 5 so in this case good is actually great. now youll have some ppl using a 1 to 5 ranks, while others will be making an emotional call based on their interpretation of the word good

 

levitre is good but hes not elite, thus he should be a 4 in a 1 to 5 scale. but as we can see, most have rated him as 'good', essentially making the poll much less accurate than it could be

 

next time i suggest using the labels something like excellent, good, average, poor, cutworthy

 

Yea all it is a 1 - 5 scale with words

Edited March 2, 2013 by Numark

[ny33]

I don't think you can base these ratings only on comparing them to 31 other starters. You also have to take into talent and potential. For example, at QB the rankings don't go from 1 - 32 (brady to Kolb). Thats assuming the 32 starters in th league are the top 32 players. Where would players like flynn or cousins fall? Both are better than kolb. But yea haha

 

 

 

 

Yea all it is a 1 - 5 scale with words

 

The point is that our overall RG situation is not "above average." The Seahawks' QB situation is certainly defined as such; Matt Flynn's capabilities are not relevant to how their starter compares to starters around the league.

 

If you are accounting for potential, Urbik still does not put us in the "good" or "above average" category at RG, unlike, say, David DeCastro of the Steelers or Amini Silatolu of the Panthers.

Edited March 2, 2013 by ny33

[Chris in Syracuse]

I voted bad for all. We have Urbick and thats it. Levitre and Rheinhart or both FA's. We have an often injured guard and a few below average back ups and thats it.

[jjmac]

I think we're okay at G, but you won't confuse these guys with a bunch of Pro Bowlers.

[Numark]

The point is that our overall RG situation is not "above average." The Seahawks' QB situation is certainly defined as such; Matt Flynn's capabilities are not relevant to how their starter compares to starters around the league.

 

If you are accounting for potential, Urbik still does not put us in the "good" or "above average" category at RG, unlike, say, David DeCastro of the Steelers or Amini Silatolu of the Panthers.

 

I'm not talking about G, just how the poll is set up. It doesn't ask you how does our RG starter compare to RG starters across the league. It just says to rate the situation. Its fine if you take it that way, others will too. Some won't, and so far the polls have been balancing out nicely

[boyst]

Even when you move Urbik to center you can count on Rinehart. We have a great line. we must keep Levitre.