ALF Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Fitz is worth $3 million a year , T Jax $1.5 million , not $15 million for both. Until they prove otherwise. Sign Levitre and Byrd and pick up FA's
Rob's House Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Considering we fans have no body of work by which to judge TJ (thanks, Chan), I can only say this is a good move at this point. To me it says they're not looking to make a first round QB selection, though I believe they'll look to get one in round 2 or 3. Some of us have watched plenty of his body of work. He's average. Nothing more.
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I don't care for this move. The money being wasted on TJax could have been used to sign a player who could add a lot more value. Having two average QBs does not equal one good one. Stupid move IMO. The case for having 2 streaky QBs is that you can ride whichever one is "hot" at the moment. Chan, as we all know, never had any intention of doing that. Still, the strategy is fundamentally flawed because both of them may ebb low at the same time. Then what do you do? Of course, the only reason you intentionally go in this direction is because you have no other options and are stuck with journeyman backups off the scrap heap as your only alternative...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Every time someone posts Ryan "Garbage Time" Fitzpatrick's stats God kills a kitten. Here's a challenge: Name 2 WRs of the 2011 SEA roster without an internet search. Fitz ran up his stats in garbage time but Tjax had no one to throw to? PTR
BADOLBILZ Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Just received word. I like it, not much available in free agency. Big,, athletic guy with a very strong arm. In a conventional drop back offense he has probably shown that he can't get it done. But as a contingency if the QB they draft isn't ready, maybe he can be a different player in a simplified read option heavy attack and help Marrone get off to a good start in the same manner that Mularkey reigned in Drew Bledsoe and nearly got the Bills to the playoffs. The two biggest issues with the Bills right now are QB and culture. The defense should improve greatly under Pettine. If they can't get the QB they need and get him up to speed, they still need to get above .500 asap.
Rob's House Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I don't know his price or interest, but I'd have much rather looked at a guy like Matt Moore if we were going this direction.
3rdand12 Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I think this is insurance in case Fitz doesn't restructure his contract. I hope T. Jackson will get a chance in camp, something that he did not have last year. This to me is a good thing. Bring in a rookie QB in the second round (Nassib or whoever) and may the best man win the job. This would be very wise indeed. And it would not surprise me that Bills have a hand in helping him develop, dust off the cobwebs and ready. Pressure is on "coerced " was a nice way to phrase this move. I agree
QCity Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Fitz ran up his stats in garbage time but Tjax had no one to throw to? Correct. Now that you understand, in the future please use an asterisk whenever posting Fitz's stats.
#34fan Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 The case for having 2 streaky QBs is that you can ride whichever one is "hot" at the moment. Chan, as we all know, never had any intention of doing that. Still, the strategy is fundamentally flawed because both of them may ebb low at the same time. Then what do you do? Of course, the only reason you intentionally go in this direction is because you have no other options and are stuck with journeyman backups off the scrap heap as your only alternative... OR... You set your rookie up to fall on a feather-lined bed. IMO, these moves are deliberate, and part of a thinly-veiled plan. -With Nassib training with Hackett's dad, and only wash-outs to serve as TC competition... The stage is set for a seamless transition. As I've stated before, I hope I'm wrong. -Nassib would be a TERRIBLE choice for starting QB... If things come to pass as I believe, our only hope of having a competitive season will be a phenomenal defensive draft.
3rdand12 Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 OR... You set your rookie up to fall on a feather-lined bed. IMO, these moves are deliberate, and part of a thinly-veiled plan. -With Nassib training with Hackett's dad, and only wash-outs to serve as TC competition... The stage is set for a seamless transition. As I've stated before, I hope I'm wrong. -Nassib would be a TERRIBLE choice for starting QB... If things come to pass as I believe, our only hope of having a competitive season will be a phenomenal defensive draft. I think this move is not defining as to where we will be by preseason. It's the first move in a chess game. we might draft two. we might draft one early. Lots of time to fine tune the qb situation. where'd we stash that kid who could throw through a window into the moving car ? My point is , the final cut down is a loooong ways off. lets freak out anyways .hell it's the offseason !!
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 OR... You set your rookie up to fall on a feather-lined bed. IMO, these moves are deliberate, and part of a thinly-veiled plan. -With Nassib training with Hackett's dad, and only wash-outs to serve as TC competition... The stage is set for a seamless transition. As I've stated before, I hope I'm wrong. -Nassib would be a TERRIBLE choice for starting QB... If things come to pass as I believe, our only hope of having a competitive season will be a phenomenal defensive draft. Sounds like the Richard Sherman thread, draft a guy high that you don't expect to do anything and string people along with the "we're developing him" media pablum.
jaybee Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I dont think he has the CPU speed to read and react to defensive schemes. Other than that a fine QB specimen physically. I'm about 6 beers deep so go easy on me. Thanx. jb
#34fan Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) My point is , the final cut down is a loooong ways off. lets freak out anyways .hell it's the offseason !! To be followed by the hand-wringing, fear, and loathing of draft day! I wouldn't trade either experience for the world. Edited February 16, 2013 by #34fan
3rdand12 Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 To be followed by the hand-wringing, fear, and loathing of draft day! I wouldn't trade either experience for the world. Nicely said sir. it's what we Bills fans do well.
Phil Hansen Forever Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 He sucked in Minnesota and will suck more in Buffalo. If you think Fitz throws interceptions, wait to you see the poor decision making Tarvaris makes. He makes Porcelain Rob look very good.
#34fan Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Sounds like the Richard Sherman thread, draft a guy high that you don't expect to do anything and string people along with the "we're developing him" media pablum. I think GM's and coaches draft certain kids expecting them to deliver the goods. They don't really start stringing the fans along until it's clear that they made a mistake... THEN, they start with the "we're developing him" B.S. -I think that's what Sherman was trying to say. Through the horrors of the past two seasons, Gailey/Nix NEVER ONCE conceeded that they made an error by "showing Fitz the money" in 2011. Even with our season, and JOBS on the line, they never tried to reverse course, or give another QB the chance to prove them both wrong. -Which, of course, they were. I found that SCARY. Still, It's evidence of the "stringing along" scenario that Sherman speaks about. Edited February 16, 2013 by #34fan
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Dude. Cutting Fitz saves them every dollar they WOULD have to pay him. Like $10 M in actual, hard money cash. If they cut him, his bonus gets accelerated and the Bills get charged $10 M against the cap, but it's accounting. The Bills save $10 Million dollars by cutting Fitz. That makes a ton of economic sense where I'm from. Um, I think you might want to google QB salaries etc. The Bills are not on the hook to pay Fitz $10 million this year. Therefore they will not save $10 million on actual hard money cash if they cut Fitz. They will save his 2013 salary of $4.25 million. They will also save a $3 million roster bonus he is due in March. So let's count: -If the Bills cut Fitz before March, they will save $3 million in actual hard money cash -If the Bills cut Fitz before whatever milestone is being used (usually 53 man roster or opening day of the season), they will save $4.25 million in actual cold hard money cash The point is the Bills are under no particular pressure to cut Fitz immediately or else watch $10 million cash flutter away like a murder of crows with a shotgun after it. They can ask him to restructure, using their newly-signed QBs TJax and Aaron Corp as leverage. If he doesn't want to, or drags his feet, they can choose whether or not to pay the bonus and keep him on the roster while they see whom they draft and how the draftee shapes up If they keep him on the roster, they can cut him before opening day and save $4.25 million Because he has little impact on the salary cap, there's only $3 million of ready-cash reasons to cut Fitz ASAP. That's big money to me, and to you, but a relatively small hedge fund for an NFL team
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Might mean they think all the QBs in the draft suck. That, or they are planning a massive cage fight match to decide the starter. PTR ingenious! Sell tickets to cage match of sub par players scrapping for a roster spot. Brandon is awesome!
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) No doubt they are looking to upgrade at the QB position, but I think TJax resigned here because he knew he wasn't going to get any offers anywhere else. I think if he knew he had a shot to go elsewhere he would have been gone in a heartbeat. So I don't read too much into this signing as I think the QB they draft is going to be the starter. I don't think that's quite likely that TJax wouldn't get any offers anywhere else, Billsbum. I think TJax would likely have gotten several reasonable offers from teams looking to improve at the backup QB position. I think what kept him here is the magical lure of the phrase "open competition" and the feeling that with the regime change, Fitz is no longer entrenched as the incumbent starter. Edited February 16, 2013 by Hopeful
#34fan Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Nicely said sir. it's what we Bills fans do well. We're also fairly proficient in Pissing, moaning, teeth-gnashing, hair-pulling, Bar-drumming, face-palming, bellowing, and double-eye-gouging. -And that, by the way, is when we're SOBER. Being a Bills fan is painful, self-defeating, and masochistic. Still, we prefer it to rooting for the Fins, Jets, or Patsies. Why? Because this team was AWESOME once. Those of us who remember will never forget. A small-market team that was the bain of all the big-market posers. Heluva road back, but I'm riding it 'until they leave b-lo, or stick me in the dirt. Not budging before. Edited February 16, 2013 by #34fan
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