Wayne Cubed Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) A slight turn in events, the Detective in charge of the case, Hilton Botha, is himself on trial for attempted murder of 7 people. Also he took the stand for the bail hearing and this came forward: Detective Warrant Officer Hilton Botha, the first officer to arrive at the house, also admits he had compromised the crime scene with ‘unprotected shoes’ Prosecution admitting they originally missed a bullet cartridge in the toilet basin Det Botha calling the substance found in Pistorius' bedroom 'steroids' only to be corrected by the prosecution that it was a box of 'testosterone' Det Botha at first saying he had a statement from someone 600m away, then changing that to 300m, and later saying he was not sure Det Botha agreeing defence lawyer that police had no evidence challenging the runner's claim he accidentally killed his girlfriend in a bathroom, believing it was an intruder Very Weird. Edited February 21, 2013 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 A slight turn in events, the Detective in charge of the case, Hilton Botha, is himself on trial for attempted murder of 7 people. Also he took the stand for the bail hearing and this came forward: Detective Warrant Officer Hilton Botha, the first officer to arrive at the house, also admits he had compromised the crime scene with ‘unprotected shoes’ Prosecution admitting they originally missed a bullet cartridge in the toilet basin Det Botha calling the substance found in Pistorius' bedroom 'steroids' only to be corrected by the prosecution that it was a box of 'testosterone' Det Botha at first saying he had a statement from someone 600m away, then changing that to 300m, and later saying he was not sure Det Botha agreeing defence lawyer that police had no evidence challenging the runner's claim he accidentally killed his girlfriend in a bathroom, believing it was an intruder Very Weird. Det Botha is just an alias for Mark Furman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 is this guy related to Franz Botha? The White Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 i dont usually get caught up in how hot this or that woman is, but that is probably the most physically beautiful girl ive ever seen in my life idk what really happened but what kind of retard just opens fire on an unseen person behind a door? ive never been in that situation but id like to think id have at least enough presence of mind to either leave the room or at least shout a warning before filling an unseen room full of bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius is granted bail A South African court granted bail to double-amputee Olympic track athlete Oscar Pistorius on Friday. He will be freed from custody pending his trial. Pistorius is charged with one count of premeditated murder in the Feb. 14 killing of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. Read more at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/prosecution-to-wrap-up-arguments-as-oscar-pistorius-bail-hearing-nears-decision/2013/02/22/aaf20a08-7cc2-11e2-9073-e9dda4ac6a66_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 i dont usually get caught up in how hot this or that woman is, but that is probably the most physically beautiful girl ive ever seen in my life idk what really happened but what kind of retard just opens fire on an unseen person behind a door? ive never been in that situation but id like to think id have at least enough presence of mind to either leave the room or at least shout a warning before filling an unseen room full of bullets If we give the benefit of the doubt that it went down that way, you may have to consider South Africa and good ol America are a bit different with regards to safety generally too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 UPDATE: Oscar Pistorius has been granted bail, is not seen as a flight risk. He is, however, still a murder risk. Scott Bateman If we give the benefit of the doubt that it went down that way, you may have to consider South Africa and good ol America are a bit different with regards to safety generally too. South African judge places Oscar Pistorius under house arrest by fitting him with an ankle bracelet. Dave Feldman UPDATE: Oscar Pistorius has been granted bail, is not seen as a flight risk. He is, however, still a murder risk. Scott Bateman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I hate to jump to conclusions, but I cant see how this guy can be anything but guilty. Am I to believe that, standing in a hallway, looking at a closed door, holding a gun, he wouldnt even yell something to the effect of "WHO THE F$&% IS IN MY HOUSE?!" or anything else at the door? He just crept into the hallway, saw the door, and started firing? Even if that is true, and he didnt attempt to find out who was on the other side, dude deserves to be convicted. But it's not true. He knew she was in there. Nothing else seems even remotely plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 UPDATE: Oscar Pistorius has been granted bail, is not seen as a flight risk. He is, however, still a murder risk. Scott Bateman South African judge places Oscar Pistorius under house arrest by fitting him with an ankle bracelet. Dave Feldman Ankle bracelet. Thats funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I hate to jump to conclusions, but I cant see how this guy can be anything but guilty. Am I to believe that, standing in a hallway, looking at a closed door, holding a gun, he wouldnt even yell something to the effect of "WHO THE F$&% IS IN MY HOUSE?!" or anything else at the door? He just crept into the hallway, saw the door, and started firing? Even if that is true, and he didnt attempt to find out who was on the other side, dude deserves to be convicted. But it's not true. He knew she was in there. Nothing else seems even remotely plausible. i think im a bit in the same boat as you the only thing to remember is we cant be applying american legal standards, processes or expectations to this. even in how he would react in the situation - south africa is not a friendly place from my limited understanding and it might edge some people - especially rich people that are targets to shoot first and ask questions later. all in all, i think he knew what (who) he was shooting the whole time anyway though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 well i realize sa is a very dangerous place. i also read that there were contractors working on his house and he thought they may have left the ladder near his bathroom window. so the assumption of a dangerous intruder is not at all implausible i still dont understand why he would go all the way down the hall, turn into his doorless bathroom, and then just open fire through the door to the toilet. the exit to his bedroom is right next to his bed on the opposite side of the hall to the toilet, he could have grabbed his gun, his cell, and his girl and left the danger spot completely. after calling the cops he could have continued to retreat or yelled a warning 'cops on way, ive got a gun, and ill blow your fkg head off if you dont leave now' i suppose he could have been disoriented from just waking up but you figure that would dissipate quickly while he was grabbing his gun and stumping down the hall to shoot somebody. at the very least, he must have wanted to shoot somebody since he didnt make the choice to retreat. unless he thought maybe his gf was in the bathroom and in danger, which destroys his own story that he thought she was still in bed i want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but its hard to see his story lininug up properly for multiple reasons. then you consider there is evidence he aggressively threatened guys he thought were too chummy with his other gfs, and that he was juicing, and it sounds much more likely it was just another case of a macho guy wanting all the bitches he can get and getting furious when his bottom B word doesnt comply with his orders dude had everything except his legs, and id cut mine off right now if i could get that kind of dough and that kind of chick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 This conversation is deteriorating quickly. The ONLY issue is whether it was reasonable for him to believe there was an intruder in the bathroom. Based on what little I know of the case that seems unlikely, but I don't know all the facts. If there actually is a dangerous intruder in your house, his safety should be very low on your list of priorities, or else you run the risk of him being wanted for your murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 um mcfly the issue isnt the intruders safety its the householders safety. i cant believe i have to explain this but what is safer, moving toward an intruder or moving away from one. if you look at the layout of his bedroom the safest approach for him by far was to simply leave the room. if he really thought his gf was in bed he had nothing to gain by moving toward the intruder i realize the macho man pea brain thinks its cool to be rambo when you dont have to be, but if you want your genes to propagate i suggest a less redneck approach. on second thought, no youre right, run right into that bathroom and get that mfer um mcfly the issue isnt the intruders safety its the householders safety. i cant believe i have to explain this but what is safer, moving toward an intruder or moving away from one. if you look at the layout of his bedroom the safest approach for him by far was to simply leave the room. if he really thought his gf was in bed he had nothing to gain by moving toward the intruder i realize the macho man pea brain thinks its cool to be rambo when you dont have to be, but if you want your genes to propagate i suggest a less redneck approach. on second thought, no youre right, run right into that bathroom and get that mfer no idea why that double posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 um mcfly the issue isnt the intruders safety its the householders safety. i cant believe i have to explain this but what is safer, moving toward an intruder or moving away from one. if you look at the layout of his bedroom the safest approach for him by far was to simply leave the room. if he really thought his gf was in bed he had nothing to gain by moving toward the intruder i realize the macho man pea brain thinks its cool to be rambo when you dont have to be, but if you want your genes to propagate i suggest a less redneck approach. on second thought, no youre right, run right into that bathroom and get that mfer My post wasn't directed solely at you, otherwise I'd have quoted your post, but you've made it clear that the usage of that feature escapes you. The only problem I have with your take, which is a fairly minor quibble, is the part where you suggest shouting at him. The only communication you want to have with the intruder is the sound of the pump action on your shotgun. And no, you shouldn't go exploring the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I hate to jump to conclusions, but I cant see how this guy can be anything but guilty. Am I to believe that, standing in a hallway, looking at a closed door, holding a gun, he wouldnt even yell something to the effect of "WHO THE F$&% IS IN MY HOUSE?!" or anything else at the door? He just crept into the hallway, saw the door, and started firing? Even if that is true, and he didnt attempt to find out who was on the other side, dude deserves to be convicted. But it's not true. He knew she was in there. Nothing else seems even remotely plausible. Well, there's that. And, who's wife, GF, mistress, MILF, FWB, whatever. While spending the night with you. Locks herself in the bathroom to take a pee in the middle of the night in the dark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) Just read he was let out on bail. Surprises me someone accused of such an act gets out on bail given flight risk and the potential to harm someone again. If he's out why isn't jodi arias out too? Edited February 23, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 I don't think anyone can relate to a guy with no legs and how he might act to an intruder. while we might bee- line it out, he might be thinking his best move is to go on the offensive. You are aware he runs a 10.91 100 meter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 he might be thinking his best move is to go on the offensive. which is almost always the wrong move. time after time after time you hear about guys who go on the offensive and something bad happens. life isnt a die hard movie, retreat is almost always the right choice. granted if youre cornered then yeah do what you gotta do. but macho man attitudes in those situations are really more darwinistic than smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 which is almost always the wrong move. time after time after time you hear about guys who go on the offensive and something bad happens. life isnt a die hard movie, retreat is almost always the right choice. granted if youre cornered then yeah do what you gotta do. but macho man attitudes in those situations are really more darwinistic than smart Moving towards your target in a confined battle space is always more desirable. If you allow your enemy to set up their positions while you attempt to set up a defense is a bad choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 oh here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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