DC Tom Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 or it might provide basic healthcare for nearly all americans and help avoid epidemics of things like tb, pertussis and influenza that might well effect well heeled citizens if not for it..... Yep. The solution to underfunded public health programs is to take money from them and use that to make health insurance more expensive whilst doing jack **** to control actual health care costs. You're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Yep. The solution to underfunded public health programs is to take money from them and use that to make health insurance more expensive whilst doing jack **** to control actual health care costs. You're an idiot. birddog's solution is for everything to be paid at Medicaid rates. And if that happens, you can kiss doctors in the US goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Who was being denied access to basic healthcare? maybe these folks http://www.cbsnews.c...cdc-to-step-in/ or these http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2012/07/24/free-healthcare-in-appalachia/ Edited February 25, 2013 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 maybe these folks http://www.cbsnews.c...cdc-to-step-in/ or these http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2012/07/24/free-healthcare-in-appalachia/ The poor are covered by Medicaid. If they don't seek medical care, that's their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The poor are covered by Medicaid. If they don't seek medical care, that's their fault. you really think 1700 people came from 4 states to wait in line for hours for care provided in a tent when they could get care in a nice warm modern office building with a scheduled appointment and the bills fully covered by medicaid? sure, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 you really think 1700 people came from 4 states to wait in line for hours for care provided in a tent when they could get care in a nice warm modern office building with a scheduled appointment and the bills fully covered by medicaid? sure, that makes sense. What makes "sense" to some people is an enigma, birddog. It makes "sense" to take care of yourself, live within your means, and not waste money on frivolous wants when you need something like health care. And while I can't tell you everyone's situation, I'd wager most of them would have been eligible for Medicaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 What makes "sense" to some people is an enigma, birddog. It makes "sense" to take care of yourself, live within your means, and not waste money on frivolous wants when you need something like health care. And while I can't tell you everyone's situation, I'd wager most of them would have been eligible for Medicaid. you'd be wrong. there are about 50 million uninsured americans. they aren't eligible for medicaid these people represent a very few. it's an inconvenient truth but one that the ACA will begin to address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 maybe these folks http://www.cbsnews.c...cdc-to-step-in/ or these http://blogs.reuters...-in-appalachia/ So, you post 2 links to people getting free healthcare to prove that people are being denied healthcare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 So, you post 2 links to people getting free healthcare to prove that people are being denied healthcare? we obviously don't have the same definition of "civilized". it doesn't shame you as an american that people get better care in much less affluent countries without having to stand in the cold to be treated in a tent? this is no way to deliver "care". this is a once a year bandaid that doesn't even begin to staunch the bleeding. and stepping up to attempt to stop an epidemic after a real threat is perceived isn't effective "healthcare" to me. "societies should be judged on the way they treat the least fortunate"..... epic fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 we obviously don't have the same definition of "civilized". it doesn't shame you as an american that people get better care in much less affluent countries without having to stand in the cold to be treated in a tent? this is no way to deliver "care". this is a once a year bandaid that doesn't even begin to staunch the bleeding. and stepping up to attempt to stop an epidemic after a real threat is perceived isn't effective "healthcare" to me. "societies should be judged on the way they treat the least fortunate"..... epic fail. Why is it with liberals that when all else fails, especially their argument, their either yell at you, call you names, or try to shame you into their way of thinking? Incidentally, when Obamacare was being shoved down our throat, there were 30 million uninsured. Now that the law is passed, there are suddenly 50 million uninsured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 we obviously don't have the same definition of "civilized". it doesn't shame you as an american that people get better care in much less affluent countries without having to stand in the cold to be treated in a tent? this is no way to deliver "care". this is a once a year bandaid that doesn't even begin to staunch the bleeding. and stepping up to attempt to stop an epidemic after a real threat is perceived isn't effective "healthcare" to me. "societies should be judged on the way they treat the least fortunate"..... epic fail. So you actually think the people on Skid Row would go to the doctor on their own volition? Do you also think that they don't qualify for Medicaid? People drive from 14 states because they can't afford a doctor's visit? Nice job changing the subject from no healthcare to civilized healthcare. Why is it with liberals that when all else fails, especially their argument, their either yell at you, call you names, or try to shame you into their way of thinking? Incidentally, when Obamacare was being shoved down our throat, there were 30 million uninsured. Now that the law is passed, there are suddenly 50 million uninsured? That evil Romney took away their birth control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 So you actually think the people on Skid Row would go to the doctor on their own volition? Do you also think that they don't qualify for Medicaid? People drive from 14 states because they can't afford a doctor's visit? Nice job changing the subject from no healthcare to civilized healthcare. many on skidrow are mentally ill. in many countries their care would be overseen by social workers or nurses. here, very often they get it in prisons. if you're good with that then there's no point discussing health care with you.the number of uninsured is debated. so, if it's closer to 30 million (which i don't concede), does that change things? does that make it unlikely that a large percentage of the people flocking to that tent and other free clinics are uninsured? no, because it is so. and do you truly believe that charity care fills all the basic healthcare voids for 30 million people? 50 million? it doesn't. plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 many on skidrow are mentally ill. in many countries their care would be overseen by social workers or nurses. here, very often they get it in prisons. if you're good with that then there's no point discussing health care with you.the number of uninsured is debated. so, if it's closer to 30 million (which i don't concede), does that change things? does that make it unlikely that a large percentage of the people flocking to that tent and other free clinics are uninsured? no, because it is so. and do you truly believe that charity care fills all the basic healthcare voids for 30 million people? 50 million? it doesn't. plain and simple. Who is Medicaid for? Try answering that without throwing out canards such as "mentally ill", "other countries" and "prisons", Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Who is Medicaid for? Try answering that without throwing out canards such as "mentally ill", "other countries" and "prisons", medicaid covers the poor. there are 30- 50 million "near poor" that aren't covered by any type of health insurance. the aca does exacly what i presume you are suggesting: extending medicaid to many of those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 medicaid covers the poor. there are 30- 50 million "near poor" that aren't covered by any type of health insurance. the aca does exacly what i presume you are suggesting: extending medicaid to many of those people. How does this extension of medicaid get paid for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 People who are indigent or mentally ill, or anyone else who isn't seeking out health care for that matter, aren't having their health care improved by anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 People who are indigent or mentally ill, or anyone else who isn't seeking out health care for that matter, aren't having their health care improved by anything. many are seeking health care...like the 1700 i cited. for the most part, they've been unsusseful. How does this extension of medicaid get paid for? now, who is changing the subject? i thought we were arguing about the presence or absence of universal healthcare access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) many are seeking health care...like the 1700 i cited. for the most part, they've been unsusseful. now, who is changing the subject? i thought we were arguing about the presence or absence of universal healthcare access. Oh, good grief... You're speaking about .0034% of the uninsured population, if we're to believe your 50 million figure... Edited February 25, 2013 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 many are seeking health care...like the 1700 i cited. for the most part, they've been unsusseful. now, who is changing the subject? i thought we were arguing about the presence or absence of universal healthcare access. No, you stated that Obamacare was an extension of Medicaid and I asked you who would pay for it. Does it not matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Give it a few minutes and birddog will tell you how if we don't insure every last individual within our borders then we'll be stacking our dead in the street at gun point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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