dwight in philly Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 as for a punter, hard to come up with one. the first one was billy atkins, who was pretty good, he was followed by wayne crow, so so.. then maguire, only other possible weak punter could be marv bateman..
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 Note: if you dont like someone being on this list please propose an alternative thats worse QB: Dan Manucci (honorable mention: Ed Rutkowski) HB: Joe Burns FB: Booker Moore WR1: Perry Tuttle WR2: James Hardy TE: Robert Royal C: Bill Conaty OG1: Mike Pucillo OG2: Jerry Crafts OT1: Greg Jerman OT2: Cornell Green DE1: Aaron Maybin DE2: Eric Flowers DT1: Tim Anderson DT2: John McCargo OLB1: Eddie Robinson OLB2: Chris Kelsay (failed LB experiment) M/ILB1: Brandon Spoon M/ILB2: John Digiorgio CB1: Chris Watson CB2: JD Williams SS: Ko Simpson FS: Travares Tillman K: Booth Lustig P: Spike Jones As bad as Robert Royal was (and he did suck elephant), besides the 37 games he started in Buffalo, he also started 29 games in Washington previous to the Bills and 15 games for Cleveland after the Bills. That's 81 games started in the NFL. Also he was one of the league's best blocking tight ends. He honestly doesn't belong on the list. In his place, I nominate Eason Ramson. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RamsEa00.htm Similarly Kelsay sucks big time but A) he's not really a linebacker and B) he has started 119 games in the NFL. Clearly he's not the guy for this team we're assembling. In his place, I nominate Paul Guidry. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GuidPa20.htm
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 As bad as Robert Royal was (and he did suck elephant), besides the 37 games he started in Buffalo, he also started 29 games in Washington previous to the Bills and 15 games for Cleveland after the Bills. That's 81 games started in the NFL. Also he was one of the league's best blocking tight ends. He honestly doesn't belong on the list. In his place, I nominate Eason Ramson. http://www.pro-footb.../R/RamsEa00.htm Buster Barnett, Tony Hunter (drafted ahead of Jim Kelly!!!?), Mark Brammer? Sheldon Jackson? TIM EUHUS!
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 Buster Barnett, Tony Hunter (drafted ahead of Jim Kelly!!!?), Mark Brammer? Sheldon Jackson? TIM EUHUS! Mark Brammer was a pretty good tight end. The others you listed are certainly are more "deserving" than Robert Royal.
plenzmd1 Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Buster Barnett, Tony Hunter (drafted ahead of Jim Kelly!!!?), Mark Brammer? Sheldon Jackson? TIM EUHUS! Brammer was a prototypical tight end for that era, and was pretty good I thought. Hunter sucked, and Tim Euhus...e got Royal beat on the suck intrude scale by a mile, Edited February 9, 2013 by plenzmd1
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 Brammer was a prototypical tight end for that era, and was pretty good I thought. Hunter sucked, and Tim Euhus...e got Royal beat on the suck intrude scale by a mile, Brammer's the only one of those guys I don't remember that well. Euhus definitely makes Royal look like Antonio Gates.
Offside Number 76 Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 Mark Brammer was a pretty good tight end. The others you listed are certainly are more "deserving" than Robert Royal. I was thinking about Hunter earlier. I don't remember Ramson.
Mark Vader Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 OG Joe Panos What a waste of money. I find it interesting that a lot of posters on this board have named a lot of terrible O-Lineman in this thread, especially recent players. Yet there are some posters who think that if the Bills lose Andy Levitre, that it would not be a big deal, because replacing a Guard is not that difficult.
Meathead Posted February 9, 2013 Author Posted February 9, 2013 Spencer Johnson started several games at LOLB after Kelsay was hurt in 2011. Look up the box score for the Redskins game for example. They list him as DE but they have 3 DEs starting. He was Kelsay's replacement as the "hybrid" LOLB/DE. He actually played pretty well in that game but was woefully out of position for the rest of the year. Again, I'm not proposing that we put Johnson in at LB. I suggest we actually show a OLB at this position. http://www.pro-footb...01110300buf.htm well done. thanks a ton for the link. i agree, id rather have a real lb there, i dont think its fair to put experiments there, including kelsay, so hopefully we come up with one soon As bad as Robert Royal was (and he did suck elephant), besides the 37 games he started in Buffalo, he also started 29 games in Washington previous to the Bills and 15 games for Cleveland after the Bills. That's 81 games started in the NFL. Also he was one of the league's best blocking tight ends. He honestly doesn't belong on the list. In his place, I nominate Eason Ramson. thanks again for the link. its a little tough looking all these up over and over again anyway, i think tim euhus beats ramson so for now we are going with him btw- i dont want to count true blocking te's (like our current lee smith), unless they were really bad at that too, which means they likely would never even start, but if you see somebody that was a true blocking te lets make sure we specify that so i dont include them http://www.pro-footb.../R/RamsEa00.htm Similarly Kelsay sucks big time but A) he's not really a linebacker and B) he has started 119 games in the NFL. Clearly he's not the guy for this team we're assembling. In his place, I nominate Paul Guidry. http://www.pro-footb.../G/GuidPa20.htm hes certainly worse than kelsay so for now hes in
Trader Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 I believe that Richie Lucas a QB from Penn State was the first, first rounder the Bills ever took. He was awful. I think that draft set the tone for most of those that followed.
Meathead Posted February 9, 2013 Author Posted February 9, 2013 Buster Barnett, Tony Hunter (drafted ahead of Jim Kelly!!!?), Mark Brammer? Sheldon Jackson? TIM EUHUS! haha buster barnett, i forgot about him. he and euhus have close to identical stats with euhus catching fewer so unless somebody can give a reason we go with euhus for now
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 Reggie Germany. LB "prospects" Jay Foreman Jeff Posey Reggie Torbor Maybe some from the 70s and early 80s that others can remember better... Others: Trey Teague Pierson Prioleau (Gregggggo's obsession) Mickey Washington (CB from 80s)
Meathead Posted February 9, 2013 Author Posted February 9, 2013 OG Joe Panos looks like he never started for the bills
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 looks like he never started for the bills He was a big FA signing for the time and was injured all the time, IIRC.
Meathead Posted February 9, 2013 Author Posted February 9, 2013 Reggie Germany. good candidate but germany was a 7th rounder who had 12 rec in only 1 start, while tuttle had 24 catches in 4 starts and was a massive first round bust so i think that should be the tie breaker
bills44 Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 looks like he never started for the bills He did start for the Bills
Meathead Posted February 9, 2013 Author Posted February 9, 2013 i thought he did too but http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PanoJo20.htm
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 i thought he did too but http://www.pro-footb.../P/PanoJo20.htm First season has him starting, second does not. PFR's info can be spotty though.
bills44 Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 i thought he did too but http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PanoJo20.htm Right, he started all 16 games in 1998. I nominate SB XXVI starter Dwight Drane
Meathead Posted February 9, 2013 Author Posted February 9, 2013 musta missed that. was he worse than jerry crafts tho? Pierson Prioleau (Gregggggo's obsession) i considered him but i dont remember him being as bad as tillman and his stats were better I nominate SB XXVI starter Dwight Drane ah dwight drane. i forgot about him. yeah he was worse than tillman but was he a free safety? he replaced a strong safety (smith) for that game, but that might not matter
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