Lil Donte Still Talkin

[JohnC]

Are you sure that he wants to be left alone? He was the one blasting the Bills regime in interviews. Not the action of someone that's moved on and wants to forget.

 

It is apparent that he doesn't mind mixing it up. He seems to enjoy sparring with people. My point in my postings is why does he seem to irk Buffalo fans so much? He payed his dues playing for a dysfucntional franchise and now he is with a well run organization that wins. He's certainly not a major factor in the team's success. To me he is an inconsequential player and to some extent a liability.Why bother with him? When your own house is in shambles why be critical of your neighbor's uncut lawn. Take care of your own business and don't worry about dealing with outside blowhards when you have your own blowhards to contend with, such as Stevie Johnson.

 

He was the one blasting the Bills regime in interviews.

 

Any criticism that this franchise gets from the outside and inside is well deserved. What fool organization would draft this mediocre talent with the eighth pick in the draft? Sometimes the truth coming from outsiders is more irritiating than when it comes from the homefront. There is a simple solution: Get better to the point where you won't get mocked on the national stage.

Edited February 8, 2013 by JohnC

[Orton's Arm]

I recall two seasons ago that Stevie Johnson was warned in advance by the HC not to exhibit behavior on the field that would cause his team to be penalized. So what does he do? He choreographs a borish self-centered act after a TD reception that penalizes the team. The HC then benched him for the rest of the game. My point is that Whitner is a self-centered talker just as a lot of other players are. Whitner has an inflated sense of himself as a player, just as Stevie the second rate showman has of himself. There isn't a player who pouts more on the field and shows up his own qb than he does. For me his petulant act has gone stale a long time ago. He is a mediocre number #1 receiver who is acutally a solid #2 receiver. In other words he isn't as good as he thinks he is. The criticism you have of Whitner i.e. an inflated sense of himself as a player also applys to SJ.

 

 

 

There is no doubt that Fitz is a more likeable player and respected person. So what? Why is such an inconsequential player like Whitner worthy of so much scathing commentary? He is no longer associated with the team; he hasn't been for quite some time. I simply find it curious that so much attention and resentment is paid to mediocre players on other teams when there is so much fodder on this losing hometown roster that should keep one busy commenting on.

 

Again, I will go back to one of my original points that the both of us are in agreement on: The Whitner selection was beyond being a bad pick---it was a ludicrous pick made by incompetents working in an organization that has a rich history of repeating its odd behavior. Donte Whitner is simply not worth the attention. Although he represents everything that is wrong with this absurd franchise he is ancient history. He should be left alone.

 

Your opinion of Stevie Johnson is more negative than mine; both as a person and a player. As a player, Stevie regularly gets open even against elite CBs like Revis. While he may not be A.J. Green, he's still an accomplished #1 WR. And would accomplish even more if he had a real quarterback.

 

As for Stevie's TD celebrations, his objective there was to use a little creativity and humor to make other people's lives more entertaining. Sure, part of that involved him being the center of attention for a few seconds. But at least he was trying to earn that attention, first by making a big play, and second by being creative about the celebration itself. He also offered a reward to the fans for giving him that attention, in the form of newness and novelty. My sense is that Stevie doesn't like being put into a creativity-stifling box.

 

I don't see anything redeeming about Whitner's personality. He's a self-centered loudmouth who can't back up his big talk. As long as he continues to celebrate himself--for example by claiming the problem in Buffalo wasn't him, but the scheme--or as long as others continue to celebrate him via unearned Pro Bowl invitations or other hype, I see no reason to leave him alone.

[BADOLBILZ]

A confident football player? How dare he. Dude got roasted in the SB but he still has been a very good player for SF. some of you just reek of hate.

 

This from the guy who still thinks Dick Jauron is the head coaching equal of Bill Belichick.

 

All-time worst take in the history of Two Bills Drive....BAR NONE...and you continured to bang that drum thru DJ's 8th losing season in 9 years.

 

Know when you are beat, the guy is a patch in their secondary, not a "very good player". It wasn't a bad day.....he doesn't make those plays. He can't. Specifically because he is NOT very good.

 

And as for "hate", you should know. You got fan hate. You got hate for players on other teams. You got hate for people that you had love for the week before they got fired from the Bills. Hate, you hazz it.

[apuszczalowski]

Your opinion of Stevie Johnson is more negative than mine; both as a person and a player. As a player, Stevie regularly gets open even against elite CBs like Revis. While he may not be A.J. Green, he's still an accomplished #1 WR. And would accomplish even more if he had a real quarterback.

 

As for Stevie's TD celebrations, his objective there was to use a little creativity and humor to make other people's lives more entertaining. Sure, part of that involved him being the center of attention for a few seconds. But at least he was trying to earn that attention, first by making a big play, and second by being creative about the celebration itself. He also offered a reward to the fans for giving him that attention, in the form of newness and novelty. My sense is that Stevie doesn't like being put into a creativity-stifling box.

 

I don't see anything redeeming about Whitner's personality. He's a self-centered loudmouth who can't back up his big talk. As long as he continues to celebrate himself--for example by claiming the problem in Buffalo wasn't him, but the scheme--or as long as others continue to celebrate him via unearned Pro Bowl invitations or other hype, I see no reason to leave him alone.

In other words, SJ is good so he can do what he wants, Whitner is Ngata and was drafted to high so he should just shut up and not speak until he is better then Ngata and not considered a waste of a pick

 

Whitner comments have not cause his team to be given a penalty. None of his tweets have hurt his team on the field. Johnsons TD celebrations are just ways for him to get attention and satisfy himself. He isn't doing it to try and lift peoples spirits, just getting the TD is enough to do that. Its all to feed his ego and to get more attention onto himself. Don't play it off like his TD celebrations were his way of lifting everyones spirits just a little more or it was for the good of others and not himself

[JohnC]

In other words, SJ is good so he can do what he wants, Whitner is Ngata and was drafted to high so he should just shut up and not speak until he is better then Ngata and not considered a waste of a pick

 

Whitner comments have not cause his team to be given a penalty. None of his tweets have hurt his team on the field. Johnsons TD celebrations are just ways for him to get attention and satisfy himself. He isn't doing it to try and lift peoples spirits, just getting the TD is enough to do that. Its all to feed his ego and to get more attention onto himself. Don't play it off like his TD celebrations were his way of lifting everyones spirits just a little more or it was for the good of others and not himself

 

Well stated.

 

I don't understand the fixation on Whitner. Is he brash and a loudmouth? Maybe so. But who cares? He doesn't play for the Bills any longer. It's ironic that SJ, a player whose self-centered behavior on the field has actually negatively impacted the team, is considered "cute and cuddly" while a player no longer involved with the team draws the ire of so many people.

 

When Whitner was with the team he played hard and with passion. To say the least he wasn't as good as he thought he was but he was a team guy. SJ was told in advance by his HC not to showboat to the point that it will end up as an infraction and hurt the team. Why was he told in advance to tone done his clownish scripted act? Because his childish behavior was gaining momentum to the point that it was becoming a distraction on the field.

 

Another issue I have with the petulant Stevie that didn't exist with Whitner is his pounting on the field when the ball wasn't thrown his way or it was poorly thrown. He made a point to show up his qb although the qb never showed him up when he dropped one of his balls. That's not the behavior of a team guy; that is not the behavior of a professional. It's the behavior of a me guy.

Edited February 8, 2013 by JohnC

[JohnC]

Your opinion of Stevie Johnson is more negative than mine; both as a person and a player. As a player, Stevie regularly gets open even against elite CBs like Revis. While he may not be A.J. Green, he's still an accomplished #1 WR. And would accomplish even more if he had a real quarterback.

 

As for Stevie's TD celebrations, his objective there was to use a little creativity and humor to make other people's lives more entertaining. Sure, part of that involved him being the center of attention for a few seconds. But at least he was trying to earn that attention, first by making a big play, and second by being creative about the celebration itself. He also offered a reward to the fans for giving him that attention, in the form of newness and novelty. My sense is that Stevie doesn't like being put into a creativity-stifling box.

 

I don't see anything redeeming about Whitner's personality. He's a self-centered loudmouth who can't back up his big talk. As long as he continues to celebrate himself--for example by claiming the problem in Buffalo wasn't him, but the scheme--or as long as others continue to celebrate him via unearned Pro Bowl invitations or other hype, I see no reason to leave him alone.

 

I got a suggestion for your favorite receiver: Shut up and play and be professional. Acting like a clown on a losing team is moronic. Help win some games and then I might be more tolerant of his buffoonery. Last year the Bills lost to Seattle 50-17. They also lost to the 49ers, the team Whitner plays for, 45-3. Until Stevie's team can compete with the big boys he should shut down his childish act and behave like a grown up.

 

Some people might be entertained by his childish antics on the field but I'm not one of them. If a good play is made then it should speak for itself. I don't need him or any other egotistical fool to point out what he has done on the field.

[C.Biscuit97]

This from the guy who still thinks Dick Jauron is the head coaching equal of Bill Belichick.

 

All-time worst take in the history of Two Bills Drive....BAR NONE...and you continured to bang that drum thru DJ's 8th losing season in 9 years.

 

Know when you are beat, the guy is a patch in their secondary, not a "very good player". It wasn't a bad day.....he doesn't make those plays. He can't. Specifically because he is NOT very good.

 

And as for "hate", you should know. You got fan hate. You got hate for players on other teams. You got hate for people that you had love for the week before they got fired from the Bills. Hate, you hazz it.

 

Ah, the classic makeup an argument. As I stated many times, Belichick's record BEFORE BRADY was comparable to Dick Jauron's. Twist it anyway you want, it's an effing fact.

 

But obviously bitter Bills fans are right. Getting elected to a pro bowl and starting on a SB team means nothing. Great point.

 

I got a suggestion for your favorite receiver: Shut up and play and be professional. Acting like a clown on a losing team is moronic. Help win some games and then I might be more tolerant of his buffoonery. Last year the Bills lost to Seattle 50-17. They also lost to the 49ers, the team Whitner plays for, 45-3. Until Stevie's team can compete with the big boys he should shut down his childish act and behave like a grown up.

 

Some people might be entertained by his childish antics on the field but I'm not one of them. If a good play is made then it should speak for itself. I don't need him or any other egotistical fool to point out what he has done on the field.

 

Besides these comments, name one thing he did childish during this season. Jacoby Jones loves to celebrate as well and he just played a key role on a world champion. SJ isn't the problem with this football team. In fact, this team has been so freaking boring for a decade we need more personality.

[Maury Ballstein]

Couldn't disagree with some of you more...........Stevie's celebrations were for everyone (to recap we had Why so serious which was awesome, Happy New Year, and the Plax Jets shoot in the leg thing) which FWIW all my non bills fans friends thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread. This team would be unwatchable without Stevie, thank god we hit on one draft pick.

 

This really burns my rear end for some reason when people act like Stevie's a bumbling fool for celebrating when he scores a TD. Just think back to when you played football, what happened when you scored a TD? I know in my neighborhood a TD was accompanied by a spike/dance/taunt that is just standard operating procedure. Some people aren't mad at the world and have a little fun when they play.

 

Stevie's stood up for Fitz a billion times for the record. Great guy face of the franchise.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Ryan L Billz

[apuszczalowski]

Couldn't disagree with some of you more...........Stevie's celebrations were for everyone (to recap we had Why so serious which was awesome, Happy New Year, and the Plax Jets shoot in the leg thing) which FWIW all my non bills fans friends thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread. This team would be unwatchable without Stevie, thank god we hit on one draft pick.

 

This really burns my rear end for some reason when people act like Stevie's a bumbling fool for celebrating when he scores a TD. Just think back to when you played football, what happened when you scored a TD? I know in my neighborhood a TD was accompanied by a spike/dance/taunt that is just standard operating procedure. Some people aren't mad at the world and have a little fun when they play.

 

Stevie's stood up for Fitz a billion times for the record. Great guy face of the franchise.

So, T.O. also stood up for Tony Romo and his other QBs

 

When I played neighborhood football, theres wasn't a 15 yard penalty for taunting or excessive TD celebrations, and no one on my team, let alone a coach had told me to stop them because it would cost my team.

 

SJ is being paid to play football and score TDs, not to entertain us by coming up with stupid celebrations THAT THE NFL HAS SAID ARE NOT PERMITTED. He's not a bumbling fool for celebrating, he is a moron for trying to defy the NFL and do things that they have declared against the rules. If he wants to entertain us with his dumb celebrations, maybe he should get some public access cable time and put on his own show. But yes, lets continue to bash Whitner because he says things like hes guaranteeing his team will make the playoffs, or that his team will be in the superbowl again next year

[JohnC]

Ah, the classic makeup an argument. As I stated many times, Belichick's record BEFORE BRADY was comparable to Dick Jauron's. Twist it anyway you want, it's an effing fact.

 

But obviously bitter Bills fans are right. Getting elected to a pro bowl and starting on a SB team means nothing. Great point.

 

 

 

Besides these comments, name one thing he did childish during this season. Jacoby Jones loves to celebrate as well and he just played a key role on a world champion. SJ isn't the problem with this football team. In fact, this team has been so freaking boring for a decade we need more personality.

 

Jacoby Jones has earned the right to celebrate in a reasonable manner because he has immensely contributed to a winning and championship team. When you play on a team that has miserably lost for a generation it is inappropriate to act like a attention grabbing fool for a team that is incapable of competing with qualilty teams. He hasn't earned that right. When you make outstanding plays that helps your team win then I will be a little more tolerant of his childish behavior. His behavior of pouting and losing emotional control is unprofessional and a reflection of his immaturity..

 

My message to Stevie wannabe great in his own juvenile mind is if you can't win then STFU!!!! Losers need to recognize that acting like a clown on a losing team is simply being fool.

Edited February 8, 2013 by JohnC

[BADOLBILZ]

Ah, the classic makeup an argument. As I stated many times, Belichick's record BEFORE BRADY was comparable to Dick Jauron's. Twist it anyway you want, it's an effing fact.

 

What's made up? You relentlessly defended Jauron for years. Not just a season or two, pretty much until the end. And somehow I don't remember Belichick stringing together 8 losing seasons in 9 attempts. Your takes will forever be colored by that folly.

[Maury Ballstein]

So, T.O. also stood up for Tony Romo and his other QBs

 

When I played neighborhood football, theres wasn't a 15 yard penalty for taunting or excessive TD celebrations, and no one on my team, let alone a coach had told me to stop them because it would cost my team.

 

SJ is being paid to play football and score TDs, not to entertain us by coming up with stupid celebrations THAT THE NFL HAS SAID ARE NOT PERMITTED. He's not a bumbling fool for celebrating, he is a moron for trying to defy the NFL and do things that they have declared against the rules. If he wants to entertain us with his dumb celebrations, maybe he should get some public access cable time and put on his own show. But yes, lets continue to bash Whitner because he says things like hes guaranteeing his team will make the playoffs, or that his team will be in the superbowl again next year

 

watch the superbowl again then we can talk about Whitner................he stinks.

 

you and johnc obviously are not fans of stevie...............jacoby jones can celebrate but stevie cant? no flag on jacoby for dancing............its a dumb rule........and the rules get worse by the year.....on top of that there's not enough consistency.

 

stevie and spiller are the only things that make this sorry group watchable..............not sure where yall are coming from......like CB said we could use more personality on this team. Dancing after a freaking TD is a non issue........Goodell's a scrub who is killing the league slowly. Where was Ray Lewis's penalties for squirrel dancing? It's just dumb IMO.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Ryan L Billz

[JohnC]

 

you and johnc obviously are not fans of stevie...............jacoby jones can celebrate but stevie cant? no flag on jacoby for dancing............its a dumb rule........and the rules get worse by the year.....on top of that there's not enough consistency.

 

stevie and spiller are the only things that make this sorry group watchable..............not sure where yall are coming from......like CB said we could use more personality on this team. Dancing after a freaking TD is a non issue........Goodell's a scrub who is killing the league slowly. Where was Ray Lewis's penalties for squirrel dancing? It's just dumb IMO.

 

Don't compare stevie with Spiller with respect to foolish on field behavior. I have no problem with a player showing some emotion after a successful play . That is not how goofball Stevie behaves. The Bills could be losing by forty points with a couple of minutes left in the game and the defense playing a prevent defense. Clown Stevie is the type of player who would get a first down in such a permissive defensive environment and "dance and prance" around as if he made a spectacular play. I have never seen Spiller act like a jerk on the field. Spiller makes a ton more big plays than the "big talk" receiver does. I have never seen him go into the clown act like Stevie often does.

 

I'm not interested in players exhibiting personalities. I'm more interested in players making plays that help the team win. If I had my way any player who played on a team that didn't make the playoffs in more than a decade and was incapable of beating a good team would not be allowed to "showboat" until their losing team demonstrated an ability to compete. I would even go farther. Any player playing on a team that hasn't made the playoffs in more than a decade would be prohibited from tweeting until their team made the playoffs.

 

Watching fools making fools of themselves doesn't make watching the Bills more palatable. Players such as Stevie need to shut their free flowing mouths that spew nothing but stupidity and concentrate on playing better for the team and not themselves. If I want to see clowns perform I'll go to the circus.

[JohnC]

This team would be unwatchable without Stevie, thank god we hit on one draft pick.

 

You must be watching a different team than I am. Even with Stevie and his carnival act this team is painful to watch. Maybe winning a little more might make them more palatable?

[RuntheDamnBall]

Don't compare stevie with Spiller with respect to foolish on field behavior. I have no problem with a player showing some emotion after a successful play . That is not how goofball Stevie behaves. The Bills could be losing by forty points with a couple of minutes left in the game and the defense playing a prevent defense. Clown Stevie is the type of player who would get a first down in such a permissive defensive environment and "dance and prance" around as if he made a spectacular play.

There are players who do that (and I don't care for them) but I've actually never seen Stevie do that.

[Maury Ballstein]

I get it but IMO you might be a little too hard on Stevie. He's a hard worker and one great 7th round pick. Buffalos sparse W's would be even more spaced out without him.

 

I don't recall the antics down by 40 much either. I recall a happy new year up 21-0 vs pats followed by a benching and a patriots bloodbath (another awesome gailey decision).

 

With "qb x" (who is en route via high draft pick) Stevie will impress IMO. The whole books not written yet.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Ryan L Billz

[jjmac]

Just days after the SB Ex Bill Donte Whitner is back at it, runnin his mouth ..

 

I'm surprised it took him that long.

[Orton's Arm]

Don't compare stevie with Spiller with respect to foolish on field behavior. I have no problem with a player showing some emotion after a successful play . That is not how goofball Stevie behaves. The Bills could be losing by forty points with a couple of minutes left in the game and the defense playing a prevent defense. Clown Stevie is the type of player who would get a first down in such a permissive defensive environment and "dance and prance" around as if he made a spectacular play. I have never seen Spiller act like a jerk on the field. Spiller makes a ton more big plays than the "big talk" receiver does. I have never seen him go into the clown act like Stevie often does.

 

I'm not interested in players exhibiting personalities. I'm more interested in players making plays that help the team win. If I had my way any player who played on a team that didn't make the playoffs in more than a decade and was incapable of beating a good team would not be allowed to "showboat" until their losing team demonstrated an ability to compete. I would even go farther. Any player playing on a team that hasn't made the playoffs in more than a decade would be prohibited from tweeting until their team made the playoffs.

 

Watching fools making fools of themselves doesn't make watching the Bills more palatable. Players such as Stevie need to shut their free flowing mouths that spew nothing but stupidity and concentrate on playing better for the team and not themselves. If I want to see clowns perform I'll go to the circus.

 

Your hostility towards Stevie Johnson is irrational. To call him "clown Stevie" is absurd when he competes like a warroir every week, and is arguably the best non-RB player on the team.

 

You claim that Whitner gives the game all he has. I'm not convinced of that. I'm a highly competitive person myself. If I mess up, and if my mistakes cause my team to lose, I go into a period of mourning. I sensed that same reaction from Stevie after he dropped that TD pass; and (to an even greater degree) from Scott Norwood, after w*** r****. Whitner's putrid play in that Super Bowl cost his team a lot more points than Norwood's missed field goal cost the Bills. Both Super Bowls were about equally close. But instead of the expected (and completely appropriate) mourning, we got yet more boasting about hypothetical future accomplishments.

 

That reaction does not seem consistent with a man with a passionate will to win; and who experiences a broken heart after a loss. Nor was I impressed with the fact Whitner was out of position on some plays--a problem which seems like it could have been avoided, had he spent more time with his playbook and in the film room. A guy like Chris Spielman wouldn't have let himself get caught out of position like that. He'd study hard enough to make sure that didn't happen. I have not seen empirical evidence to suggest Whitner works nearly as hard as Spielman or Jerry Rice worked.

 

Rather than direct unjustified hostility toward one of the very few bright spots on the team--as you are doing with Stevie Johnson--it would be more productive to put Whitner side-by-side with Marshawn Lynch. There are strong parallels between the two players. Marv picked both players in the top-12. Both were wasted draft picks. Both are self-centered. Both play positions highly overrepresented among the Bills' early draft picks. (Over the last 40 years, the Bills have used 25% of their first picks of the draft on RBs, and another 25% on DBs.) So why do I feel so much more irritation with Whitner than I do with Lynch?

 

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure. One could point to Whitner's loud mouth; but you'd think that would be balanced out by the fact Lynch is a thug.

[JohnC]

Your hostility towards Stevie Johnson is irrational. To call him "clown Stevie" is absurd when he competes like a warroir every week, and is arguably the best non-RB player on the team.

 

You claim that Whitner gives the game all he has. I'm not convinced of that. I'm a highly competitive person myself. If I mess up, and if my mistakes cause my team to lose, I go into a period of mourning. I sensed that same reaction from Stevie after he dropped that TD pass; and (to an even greater degree) from Scott Norwood, after w*** r****. Whitner's putrid play in that Super Bowl cost his team a lot more points than Norwood's missed field goal cost the Bills. Both Super Bowls were about equally close. But instead of the expected (and completely appropriate) mourning, we got yet more boasting about hypothetical future accomplishments.

 

That reaction does not seem consistent with a man with a passionate will to win; and who experiences a broken heart after a loss. Nor was I impressed with the fact Whitner was out of position on some plays--a problem which seems like it could have been avoided, had he spent more time with his playbook and in the film room. A guy like Chris Spielman wouldn't have let himself get caught out of position like that. He'd study hard enough to make sure that didn't happen. I have not seen empirical evidence to suggest Whitner works nearly as hard as Spielman or Jerry Rice worked.

 

Rather than direct unjustified hostility toward one of the very few bright spots on the team--as you are doing with Stevie Johnson--it would be more productive to put Whitner side-by-side with Marshawn Lynch. There are strong parallels between the two players. Marv picked both players in the top-12. Both were wasted draft picks. Both are self-centered. Both play positions highly overrepresented among the Bills' early draft picks. (Over the last 40 years, the Bills have used 25% of their first picks of the draft on RBs, and another 25% on DBs.) So why do I feel so much more irritation with Whitner than I do with Lynch?

 

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure. One could point to Whitner's loud mouth; but you'd think that would be balanced out by the fact Lynch is a thug.

 

Your hostility towards Whitner and Lynch, both playing for winning and playoff teams, is very much misplaced. If they were foolish picks then direct your wrath to the bumbling fools who drafted them. The Whitner selection by the Bills was more than being bad, it was very odd. How do you justify something that is beyond explanation?

 

The Lynch pick might have been the owner's selection? Maybe yes or no? The owner enjoyed dabbling with his toy franchise. ML had issues related to his maturity level and off-field behavior that were well known before the draft. The organization still selected him. If you have a problem with Lynch then direct your ire at the fool organization that selected him.

 

No one disputes the fact that the Bills have a history of over-loading their drafts with RBs and DBs. That is not the core of their drafting problems. The real issue is their evaluation proficiency is poor regardless of the positions. Go back and review Nix's drafts. They are less than mediocre. What is even worse than his past poor drafts is that he is still involved in our current draft. How does that make you feel? So much for accountability. So much for a fresh start under Brandon.

 

Repeating what I have said in the prior posts the hostility towards former players is very misplaced. The argument that a player such as Whitner is not good is not a criticism of him so much as it is a criticism of the foolhardy organization that drafted him. If Lynch is such a bad dude then why did this fool organization draft him when this organization has a public mantra of drafting character people?

 

I take issue with hometown fans who tolerate players when they play for their team and then vilify them when they change teams. I take issue with hometown fans who make excuses for their loser team and then make excuses for why other teams win, especially with the Pats. There is more than enough garbage to focus one's attention on within this failed organization from top to bottom. Why bother concerning yourself with players not even on your team? It makes no sense to me.

Edited February 10, 2013 by JohnC

[BuffaloBill]

Why do people even care so much about hs statements.