Best Player Available Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 Maybe #13 could put his offseason time to better use by petitioning the league to make stick-um legal. That way he could get his extra 300 yards per season and still jog around the block with his wife in january. While other teams are still playing.
thebandit27 Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 Maybe #13 could put his offseason time to better use by petitioning the league to make stick-um legal. That way he could get his extra 300 yards per season and still jog around the block with his wife in january. While other teams are still playing.  Perhaps my math is off, but are you claiming that Stevie averages nearly 43 yards per drop?  http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232  300 yards / 7 drops = 42.86 yards/drop  I had no idea it was that high...must be some kind of record.
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 Â Â Well, there's true, and there's untrue. What's true is that there was a context to his statement that you choose to ignore.
The Big Cat Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 What's true is that there was a context to his statement that you choose to ignore. Â Ha, okay. What you call "choosing to ignore" I call you giving him the benefit of the doubt after he back-pedaled into said-context. Â I might do the same if he hadn't already had multiple public displays of dumbassticity.
truth on hold Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Â Â I can tell you that's unequivocally false. As a guy who played a DI sport, who's married to a woman who played a DI sport, who now works with professional athletes in that sport, I can tell you from first-hand experience: trainers know what they're talking about. They're constantly evolving to the latest techniques and theories, and they design their systems to maximize the body's potential for a specific sport. NFL teams wouldn't hire a training staff that's part of bygone culture. That makes no sense, whatsoever. It doesn't matter what sports you or I played or play. And within the training community you will find a wealth of different opinions, running the gamut. I think most trainers are helpful on recovery when they're acting as physical therapist, and I think a disturbingly large percentage give harmful advice when it comes to general training and injury prevention. Way too many reps for weight training, far too much over stretching, aerobic "training" which IMO is best case useless, and far too little recovery time between workouts. The consequences of which are greatly magnified for athletes in a physically demanding sport like the NFL where they play on average 1 game a week for 16 weeks. And non-bills can extend that into as many as 4 playoff games. Edited February 6, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack
The Big Cat Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 It doesn't matter what sports you or I played or play. And within the training community you will find a wealth of different opinions, running the gamut. I think most trainers are helpful on recovery when they're acting as physical therapist, and I think a disturbingly large percentage give harmful advice when it comes to general training and injury prevention. Way too many reps for weight training, far too much over stretching, aerobic "training" which IMO is best case useless, and far too little recovery time between workouts. The consequences of which are greatly magnified for athletes in a physically demanding sport like the NFL where they play on average 1 game a week for 16 weeks. And non-bills can extend that into as many as 4 playoff games. Â Nobody's arguing that over-training can't hurt you. I just can't determine why--to justify Stevie's disposal of their recommendations--you're so certain the Bills' staff ascribes to these mistakes.
truth on hold Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 (edited) Â Â Nobody's arguing that over-training can't hurt you. I just can't determine why--to justify Stevie's disposal of their recommendations--you're so certain the Bills' staff ascribes to these mistakes. I didn't say they did, but without the benedit of knowing his prescribed program and my view that over training is prevalent, I'd opt for no-training. And that reflexively busting on the guy for not training is wrong, given all the bad advice out there. Edited February 6, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 Â Â Ha, okay. What you call "choosing to ignore" I call you giving him the benefit of the doubt after he back-pedaled into said-context. Â I might do the same if he hadn't already had multiple public displays of dumbassticity. If I were paying him for a public speaking engagement I might give a sh--. Fitz left far more plays on the field involving SJ than did Stevie himself. Stevie gets open and that's all that matters.
The Big Cat Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 I didn't say they did, but without the benedit of knowing his prescribed program and my view that over training is prevalent, I'd opt for no-training. And that reflexively busting on the guy for not training is wrong, given all the bad advice out there. Â Well, personally I think your making many assumptive leaps to arrive at your conclusion. And as far as I go, i'm not busting on the guy ( ) for not training. I don't profess to know what he does or doesn't do. I'm busting on the guy for what he so flippantly, proudly declared: I take that booklet and put in the drawer. I haven't worked out since before my rookie season. Â It's an insanely immature thing to SAY, true or not. It's unprofessional, it's selfish and it's unfair to the people within the organization who DO bust their ass. Great, he spends three or four seconds thirty or forty times a game "getting open." He doesn't get a free pass for that when coaches put in 60 hours and others are training their asses off.
Maury Ballstein Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 kudos for saying "flippant" im with you lets cut Stevie now! the nerve of this guy. who doesn't read booklets when they are told to do so?
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Well, personally I think your making many assumptive leaps to arrive at your conclusion. And as far as I go, i'm not busting on the guy ( ) for not training. I don't profess to know what he does or doesn't do. I'm busting on the guy for what he so flippantly, proudly declared: I take that booklet and put in the drawer. I haven't worked out since before my rookie season. Â It's an insanely immature thing to SAY, true or not. It's unprofessional, it's selfish and it's unfair to the people within the organization who DO bust their ass. Great, he spends three or four seconds thirty or forty times a game "getting open." He doesn't get a free pass for that when coaches put in 60 hours and others are training their asses off. And if only he weren't better at football than most of the people within the Bills organization who DO bust their ass, I might give a damn. Â Deeds not words.
The Big Cat Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 kudos for saying "flippant" im with you lets cut Stevie now! the nerve of this guy. who doesn't read booklets when they are told to do so? Â We're done here. Â And if only he weren't better at football than most of the people within the Bills organization who DO bust their ass, I might give a damn. Â Deeds not words. Â I understand that point, but what good is it being king turd? Â He's the best receiver out of Donald Jones, TJ Graham, Brad Smith, et al. FANTASTIC. Â The problem is he's NOT better at football than more than half of the league's other no. 1 receivers. Â So at what point is good enough good enough? When you're a professional athlete, the answer is never. When you're a professional athlete on a team that hasn't finished above .500 since they signed you, it's never times infinity. Â And Stevie's response indicated that he's satisfied with being what he deems good enough-- a great receiver on a ****ty team who's mediocre on a league-wide scale. Â How is that acceptable? For Bills players, for coaches, for fans, anybody?
RkFast Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) The high-and-mighty snark aside, I looked through 3 of the threads and didn't see one inkling of what you're referring to...so...No Empty Apology Offered. Â If you think that simply linking to threads discussing Stevie constitues support for your comment that the "same people who DEMANDED he be signed NO MATTER WHAT his attitude is that are now ticked off", you are wrong. I couldn't find one person who demanded he be re-signed that is now upset about it. Â If you did, then I welcome the post(s) that show it... Â You didnt see ANYBODY in those threads giving glowing reviews and SJ and how great of a guy he is and how damn....he just needs to be signed "NOW".....regardless of his "quirks?" Â If you claim that, youre not being truthful. Â And I posted the links. Demanding I go in and cut, paste and re-post the actual quotes from them doesnt mean you automatically won the debate. The content is there....go read it. Â Again....lots and lots of Bills fans purposely decided to look the other way at SJ's personality and how he carries himself when it was time to sign him. And there has been zero critique since they signed him about his productivity. So now, he makes one quote and the armchair coaches and now, athletic conditioners here are gonna get all nuts and incredulous? Thats a load of carp. Â You married the "porn star" who you KNEW was also a raging bimbo. Dont whine now that shes not a Rhodes Scholar. Edited February 7, 2013 by RkFast
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I understand that point, but what good is it being king turd? Â He's the best receiver out of Donald Jones, TJ Graham, Brad Smith, et al. FANTASTIC. Â The problem is he's NOT better at football than more than half of the league's other no. 1 receivers. Â So at what point is good enough good enough? When you're a professional athlete, the answer is never. When you're a professional athlete on a team that hasn't finished above .500 since they signed you, it's never times infinity. Â And Stevie's response indicated that he's satisfied with being what he deems good enough-- a great receiver on a ****ty team who's mediocre on a league-wide scale. Â How is that acceptable? For Bills players, for coaches, for fans, anybody? Did it really indicate he's satisfied, since he indicated that he is going to work harder than ever this offseason? I just don't get this obsession. I also think his numbers would be better if his QB had been able to hit the broad side of a barn from 20+ yards. The plays were there and it was not the team's #1 receiver leaving them on the field. Â I don't disagree that they really need to add to the WR talent on this roster, but Stevie is a player you want, and it's just no secret that WRs are generally weirder than most, personality-wise. There are the guys like Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald who more quietly produce, but CJ hasn't won much himself, yet. I don't think it's much wiser to attribute the Lions' failures to him than it is to attribute the Bills' failures to one of their finest players.
thebandit27 Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 You didnt see ANYBODY in those threads giving glowing reviews and SJ and how great of a guy he is and how damn....he just needs to be signed "NOW".....regardless of his "quirks?" Â If you claim that, youre not being truthful. Â And I posted the links. Demanding I go in and cut, paste and re-post the actual quotes from them doesnt mean you automatically won the debate. The content is there....go read it. Â Again....lots and lots of Bills fans purposely decided to look the other way at SJ's personality and how he carries himself when it was time to sign him. And there has been zero critique since they signed him about his productivity. So now, he makes one quote and the armchair coaches and now, athletic conditioners here are gonna get all nuts and incredulous? Thats a load of carp. Â You married the "porn star" who you KNEW was also a raging bimbo. Dont whine now that shes not a Rhodes Scholar. Â Admittedly, I only read the first 3 threads, but yes, that's correct, not a single person in those 3 threads demanded that Johnson be signed despite his antics and is now complaining about them. Â As for who is responsible for finding such content--well, I think the guy who's throwing stones should be the one to back up his opinion with the specifics, and not simply say "it's there, you find it". If you're going to be audacious enough to call people out--twice I might add--put a name to it...don't be ambiguous.
bobobonators Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) You didnt see ANYBODY in those threads giving glowing reviews and SJ and how great of a guy he is and how damn....he just needs to be signed "NOW".....regardless of his "quirks?" Â If you claim that, youre not being truthful. Â And I posted the links. Demanding I go in and cut, paste and re-post the actual quotes from them doesnt mean you automatically won the debate. The content is there....go read it. Â Again....lots and lots of Bills fans purposely decided to look the other way at SJ's personality and how he carries himself when it was time to sign him. And there has been zero critique since they signed him about his productivity. So now, he makes one quote and the armchair coaches and now, athletic conditioners here are gonna get all nuts and incredulous? Thats a load of carp. Â You married the "porn star" who you KNEW was also a raging bimbo. Dont whine now that shes not a Rhodes Scholar. Â your argument is weak. people are willing to look the other way at players who talk a lot and say stupid things as long as they give 100% on and off the field. Â re your comparison: if i married a porn star like you say she can be the biggest bimbo in thew world, but i'd at least expect her to put out 100% of the time and not slack off in the bed for 6mo's out of the year. Edited February 7, 2013 by bobobonators
The Big Cat Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Did it really indicate he's satisfied, since he indicated that he is going to work harder than ever this offseason? I just don't get this obsession. I also think his numbers would be better if his QB had been able to hit the broad side of a barn from 20+ yards. The plays were there and it was not the team's #1 receiver leaving them on the field. Â I don't disagree that they really need to add to the WR talent on this roster, but Stevie is a player you want, and it's just no secret that WRs are generally weirder than most, personality-wise. There are the guys like Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald who more quietly produce, but CJ hasn't won much himself, yet. I don't think it's much wiser to attribute the Lions' failures to him than it is to attribute the Bills' failures to one of their finest players. Â Satisfied? What else should we draw from this? He unabashedly declared: I don't follow the team's conditioning schedule.There was no remorse. There was no "ah shucks." Yes, he eventually. arrived at the conclusion that he's ready to work. Why he gets a pass for this--as we approach his sixth season--I don't begin to understand. Â Also, I'm not blaming Stevie for the Bills woes. That's just silly. But by his own admission, he didn't do everything he could do to make it better. And yes, there's a bit of inference here--based on the way he said it and his pattern of behavior to date--so please don't come back with "you don't know what he does and doesn't do." Stevie's own actions/words are a much better indication than what we as fans have never witnessed but hope to be the case behind the scenes.
BuffBill Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Stevie just put up back to back to back 1,000 yd seasons with a SHT QB. Put him in the Patriots offense and he'd be putting up 1300 yd 10 TD seasons easy No he wouldn't, not with Welker and the two tight ends there. He would have lesser numbers. Brandon Lloyd is a more accomplished and probably better reciever then Johnson is, his numbers weren't as big as Johnson's were in Buffalo.
stony Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Unfortunately there's no training program that could help Stevie corral more of Fitz's trademark wounded ducks. Now that would be a program worth buying into.
BuffBill Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Saw on NFL Network that Hernandez is taking out an apartment in California so he can work out with Tom Brady. Colin Kaepernick says he's going to start working out next week. These are the guys we're competing against. Patriots and 49ers, last two season in the Conference Championship game, one Super Bowl a piece. The Bills, well they are the Bills. This type of work ethic isn't the only reason obviously, but you would be a moronic dumbass to say it wasn't a factor.
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