Pirate Angel Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I don't believe so. The Dolphins were going to grab him at 13 as they did pick the next safety available in the 1st round. In fact three safeties went in the 1st round that year. How would have drafting of a player like Ngata over Whitner not hvae the Bills signing Dockery and Walker in the FA. I believe he wanted to be out of here. good choice
Dawgg Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I don't believe so. The Dolphins were going to grab him at 13 as they did pick the next safety available in the 1st round. In fact three safeties went in the 1st round that year. How would have drafting of a player like Ngata over Whitner not hvae the Bills signing Dockery and Walker in the FA. I'll answer that softball (to the poster who ironically was in favor of the Bills not resigning Pat Williams). Because the Bills used the #8 pick on Lil Donte, they traded back into the first round to address the DT position and reached bigtime on Jon McCargo who ended up becoming one of the all-time draft busts in Buffalo Bills history (and that's a long, esteemed list). In moving up, they swapped their high 2nd round pick and gave up a high 3rd rounder. There were a number of solid interior linemen available that would have helped address the OL situation.
ganesh Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I'll answer that softball (to the poster who ironically was in favor of the Bills not resigning Pat Williams). Because the Bills used the #8 pick on Lil Donte, they traded back into the first round to address the DT position and reached bigtime on Jon McCargo who ended up becoming one of the all-time draft busts in Buffalo Bills history (and that's a long, esteemed list). In moving up, they swapped their high 2nd round pick and gave up a high 3rd rounder. There were a number of solid interior linemen available that would have helped address the OL situation. Dawgg, Again, they drafted McCargo, because he fitted their ill-fated Tampa-2 scheme. They simply wanted fast small-sized DTs. Again, I am not saying they made the right draft picks...Simply stating that Dick jauron and Levy picked players to match their scheme. Did these players justify their selection....Of course not. But just trying to give a perspective of it...The bigger mistake (IMHO) was not drafting Jay Cutler and his big (and big attitude)
truth on hold Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Really the 9ers secondary as a unit looked weak. Front 7 is that teams strength. Given time flacco and the ravens wr's were having their way with them
Playoff Bound Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I think Whitner is worse than averaage. Look at the replays of the first two Raven's touchdowns and you will see good old #31 was the primary coverage guy. He got burned twice. He is not a playmaker even when he is on a good team.
Punch Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) There's no need for a lecture on why Jauron/Levy drafted a safety and a Tampa-2 DT rather than Ngata. We all know that story. Whitner is a mediocre NFL safety. The front office shouldn't have drafted players that were below average because they theoretically fit the system. They should have taken the best players and adapted. Colin Kaepernick didn't fit the 49ers "system", but they drafted him and adapted their offense to suit him. I'm exhausted from listening to excuses. Whitner was a mistake and now he's San Francisco's problem. He is partially responsible for their franchise's first Super Bowl loss in 6 tries. The "haters" have the last say in this debate and today is their/our day. Unless Donte is at some point transfigured into a completely different player, this is the definitive proof that his Pro Bowl selection is nonsense. Edited February 4, 2013 by Punch
The Helmet of Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) donte whitner sucks Glad he got exposed for the whole world to see. Brady must have thrown 30 TD passes against him alone. he'll be out of the league in two years, pleading not guilty in court for some criminal offense in three, declaring bankruptcy in five... Edited February 4, 2013 by MarkKelso'sHelmet
Bill from NYC Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Donte got his tonight! He was lil' Donte at his finest. Lot's of opportunities to make a play, and none made. He is the total package in coverage: No range, no instincts in coverage, no ball skills, undersized with a small wingspan and he can't get off the ground to defend the high ball when he is even close enough too. But, he is a pro bowler! The next scenario is that he is cut, and says that he is open for a return to Buffalo. I wouldn't be surprised.
thewildrabbit Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Donte got his tonight! He was lil' Donte at his finest. Lot's of opportunities to make a play, and none made. He is the total package in coverage: No range, no instincts in coverage, no ball skills, undersized with a small wingspan and he can't get off the ground to defend the high ball when he is even close enough too. But, he is a pro bowler! The 49ers thought enough of the guy to bring him during free agency into their #3 defense in the NFL this year, and #4 defense last year. He was selected to the first team pro bowl, and did play in this years super bowl. I just don't get the hate from some people. What does it say about the karma for this franchise when the fans literally spew constant hatred about a player who did his best in Buffalo given his circumstance? If Whitner had turned out into a Bob Sanders or a Polamalu then we are not having this conversation. DicK Jauron needed a enforcer kind of SS for his Tampa-2 and Ngata did not fit in his scheme of having a fast 4-3 DT. In hindsight did the pick go wrong..yes. But let us now kill them for their decision Lets not forget that the Bills under Marv Levy just had just cut Lawyer Milloy, and were literally desperate for a safety. I'm not defending the pick or the player. But the Bills have been making stupid mistakes in every avenue of the franchise the last 13 years.
RuntheDamnBall Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I'll answer that softball (to the poster who ironically was in favor of the Bills not resigning Pat Williams). Because the Bills used the #8 pick on Lil Donte, they traded back into the first round to address the DT position and reached bigtime on Jon McCargo who ended up becoming one of the all-time draft busts in Buffalo Bills history (and that's a long, esteemed list). In moving up, they swapped their high 2nd round pick and gave up a high 3rd rounder. There were a number of solid interior linemen available that would have helped address the OL situation. Thank you. Also, I said a "safety like Whitner," not Whitner himself, could be had in the second. Let's note: 2 42 Danieal Manning FS Abilene Christian Chicago Bears 2 43 Roman Harper SS Alabama New Orleans Saints 4 105 Ko Simpson FS South Carolina Buffalo Bills 5 138 Pat Watkins FS Florida State Dallas Cowboys 5 146 Dawan Landry SS Georgia Tech Baltimore Ravens 6 207 Antoine Bethea SS Howard Indianapolis Colts There's also Bernard Pollard at #54 overall as a CB by the Chiefs, and Cortland Finnegan in the 7th round. 4 quality safeties there, including two who play / have played in Tampa 2 defenses, two selected in Round 5 and 6. AND THE BILLS PICKED TWO AVERAGE ONES. THANKS MARV+DICK!
Homey D. Clown Posted February 4, 2013 Author Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) There's no need for a lecture on why Jauron/Levy drafted a safety and a Tampa-2 DT rather than Ngata. We all know that story. Whitner is a mediocre NFL safety. The front office shouldn't have drafted players that were below average because they theoretically fit the system. They should have taken the best players and adapted. Colin Kaepernick didn't fit the 49ers "system", but they drafted him and adapted their offense to suit him. I'm exhausted from listening to excuses. Whitner was a mistake and now he's San Francisco's problem. He is partially responsible for their franchise's first Super Bowl loss in 6 tries. The "haters" have the last say in this debate and today is their/our day. Unless Donte is at some point transfigured into a completely different player, this is the definitive proof that his Pro Bowl selection is nonsense. Well said. While I am not a 'lil donte hater as much as I am a hater of those clowns who think the front office let a talent walk away from the Bills. Nobody can argue now how flat out horrible he was in this superbowl, and was directly responsible for 2 touchdowns, and countless, and I mean countless missed tackles and blown coverages. If they had any other competent safety in that game, San Fran wins. Again, glad he is no longer a Bill. Edited February 4, 2013 by Homey D. Clown
JohnC Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 If Whitner had turned out into a Bob Sanders or a Polamalu then we are not having this conversation. DicK Jauron needed a enforcer kind of SS for his Tampa-2 and Ngata did not fit in his scheme of having a fast 4-3 DT. In hindsight did the pick go wrong..yes. But let us now kill them for their decision The Whitner selection was an idiotic pick at the time of his selection. Any scout who put him in the same strata of Bob Sanders or Polamalu should be fired as soon as the draft report was made on the player. The person who empowered Dick Jauron with personnel authority (Levy) should wear a clown outfit for the rest of his life. But let us now kill them for their decision Mocking them would be more appropriate than killing them! Whitner over Ngata! OMG
Bookie Man Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I kept telling people before the game, that he is a liability against the pass and that the Ravens would probably attack him. He gave up the first two passing touchdowns and possibly the 3rd. It looked as though he was supposed to have deep help on that side of the field and bit on an underneath route, which is why Jones was so wide open.
mrags Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I kept telling people before the game, that he is a liability against the pass and that the Ravens would probably attack him. He gave up the first two passing touchdowns and possibly the 3rd. It looked as though he was supposed to have deep help on that side of the field and bit on an underneath route, which is why Jones was so wide open. this. It's no coincidence that the first 2 TDs were directed at Donte. Strike quick and strike hard. Before thier coach knows whats going on, Donte Whitner will have sealed us a victory.
Maury Ballstein Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Whitner is no huge loss.... People have been talking about how great he is lately but he pooped his pants in the big game. He's an average player who is terrible in coverage..
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Can't believe anyone is still buying the baloney that Ngata isn't "quick enough" to fit a scheme. The Tampa-2 defense was built around the unblockable Warren Sapp for cripes sake. If they end up putting Haloti in Canton, will Whitner still be a better pick because of Jauron's scheme?
RyanC883 Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Really the 9ers secondary as a unit looked weak. Front 7 is that teams strength. Given time flacco and the ravens wr's were having their way with them Whitner was getting torched all over. Their CB's are terrible as well. They will definitely be addressing this in the draft. Whitner is no huge loss.... People have been talking about how great he is lately but he pooped his pants in the big game. He's an average player who is terrible in coverage.. yep. And he is benefiting from a great front 7. How bad would he have been w/ the bills this year w/ no pressure up front?!?! Wilson and Searcy are better.
bills44 Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 what are Niners fans saying this morning about Big Play Donte?
BuffaloRebound Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I felt like I was watching a Bills game the way Whitner and the rest of the 49ers secondary were getting abused. Flacco was definitely targeting Whitner's man in the red zone. The guy plays hard and is a big hitter, but he can't cover anybody. He doesn't react to the ball in the air and has very short arms. He's the same player he was here, just surrounded by better players and a better organization.
NewEra Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I felt like I was watching a Bills game the way Whitner and the rest of the 49ers secondary were getting abused. Flacco was definitely targeting Whitner's man in the red zone. The guy plays hard and is a big hitter, but he can't cover anybody. He doesn't react to the ball in the air and has very short arms. He's the same player he was here, just surrounded by better players and a better organization. Donte is the single biggest reason they lost. Not the only reason, but a BIG contributor. Maybe the worst 1st half ever played by a safety in SB history. I watched the game with my buddy who's a die hard niner fan. I always say ill root for the niners, but root against donte (because of his smack talking the bb after he left). I told him before the game, if Baltimore is smart and they target donte in the passing game, the niners are in trouble. Turned out to be the case to a tee.
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