New gun control thread!

[Joe Miner]

So why the push to eliminate guns? How do we kill them without guns?

 

Thunderdome

[Chef Jim]

They're attempting to engage in a substantive conversation, and you're responding with flippant non sequiturs. That's cool, but it certainly doesn't help whatever argument you are trying to make.

 

He has no argument hence the flippant non sequiturs.

Edited April 10, 2013 by Chef Jim

[IDBillzFan]

You love to bash this stuff but I like to hear your opinion as to how banning these weapons and providing universal background checks is going to reduce violent crime in places like Oakland?

 

I heard today that the Toomey/Manchin bill is designed to stop another Newtown by ensuring there are background checks across the board. This expands now to online and gun show sales.

 

The one thing it does exempt: when the firearms are exchanged between family members. Granted, the Newton shooter's mother didn't exactly give her son the guns, but how big of a dumbass do you have to be to make your bill based on a shooting where the killer used a family member's weapons, and then make family weapon exchanges exempt from background checks.

 

It might as well be the JTSP/Gene Frenkle gun bill.

[Chef Jim]

I heard today that the Toomey/Manchin bill is designed to stop another Newtown by ensuring there are background checks across the board. This expands now to online and gun show sales.

 

The one thing it does exempt: when the firearms are exchanged between family members. Granted, the Newton shooter's mother didn't exactly give her son the guns, but how big of a dumbass do you have to be to make your bill based on a shooting where the killer used a family member's weapons, and then make family weapon exchanges exempt from background checks.

 

It might as well be the JTSP/Gene Frenkle gun bill.

 

Listen I don't really give a **** about school shootings. In the grand scheme of things they happen rarely. I'm concerned about this **** doing nothing to solve the fact that the bad guys from down in Oakland will still have their weapon of choice. Are they mostly killing each other? Yup but my wife rides her scooter every day from BART through that war zone.

[Gene Frenkle]

So why the push to eliminate guns? How do we kill them without guns?

Duh - assault knives.

[Chef Jim]

Duh - assault knives.

 

Hey, why don't you go pick on some religious people. You're so much better at that.

[B-Man]

My name is Manuel Martinez. Born in Cuba. American Citizen for more than 40 years. I oppose any manipulation, any regulation or disruption of the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

In 1957 a Revolution … individuals … malicious individuals, masquerading as Democrats, revolutionaries, established a regime … a dictatorial regime … in my nation. Called Communism, Socialism, Stalinism, Marxism, and whatever other named -ism you want to put on it. The reason why it was done was to take away the guns from the People. The right of the People to wear guns. That is a God-given Right. It’s not given by anybody. It’s not given by any group. It’s the same thing as freedom, which is a God-given Right. And no one, absolutely no one, has the authority to take it away. To cease to defend the Second Amendment, and my God-given Right of freedom, will cease only with my death.

 

I’ve been through it. I’ve been there. You people don’t know what freedom is because you never lost it.

 

(rest of transcript here)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1ABw6IMKn0

 

 

Dan Sandini, who was at the hearing, writes:

I can assure you even the Liberal hacks in the press pool were visibly shaken. The exp

ressions on the Senators faces … well they spoke for themselves (I’ve included a few stll shots here). I’d wager no one in room did not feel a chill up their spine, or a tear in the corner of their eye, as Martinez described scenes of sons being torn from their mothers arms, and shot dead in the street, because they lacked the means to protect themselves. He spoke from the heart: no notes or teleprompter required.

 

http://hotair.com/ar...-never-lost-it/

Edited April 10, 2013 by B-Man

[IDBillzFan]

Hey, why don't you go pick on some religious people. You're so much better at that.

Not really.

[B-Man]

Prof. Stephen Clark writes:

 

 

" But the real issue continues to be that guns have taken center stage in an ongoing cultural war. In particular, any legislation passed will be something to defend against the depredations of the cultural other. "

 

{snip}

 

"From this point forward, criticism of any gun control legislation will be demagogued; the critic painted as one indifferent to the murder of children.

 

The best reason for unyielding opposition to any of the legislation being contemplated is that the legislation is terrible on its face – even failing to address the advertised concerns of those supporting it.

 

However, running a close second to that reason is this: Nothing is to be gained and much is to be lost by appeasing those who simply dislike you. They will continue to dislike you, and all that they think you represent, regardless."

 

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/166832/

[3rdnlng]

From Scott Ott at Scrappleface.com:

 

The U.S. Senate next week will reportedly take up debate on a bill to require background checks on potential victims of mass shootings. The alternative to increased gun-purchase background checks came out of closed-door negotiations among Senate leaders when they discovered that mass-shooting victims are easier to spot in advance than mass shooters.

“Victims of mass shootings have some consistent markers,” said one unnamed Senate aide. “They’re the type who tend to congregate in enclosed spaces, unarmed, and who surround themselves with other utterly-defenseless individuals. If we can screen for those factors, perhaps we can develop measures to prevent the behaviors that lead to mass victimization.”

The controversial measure is expected to meet with stiff resistance from Senate Democrats who see potential-victim background checks as “infringing on a person’s God-given natural right to avoid self-defense,” as one unnamed Northeastern senator put it.

“All this does is stigmatize law-abiding citizens,” the Democrat senator said, noting that the bill is the biggest threat yet to the popular perception of safety in “gun-free zones” like schools and theaters.

Indeed, nationwide polls show that people like the idea of believing that a prohibition on carrying guns in certain places, or limitations on buying certain weapon types, will immunize them from sudden ballistic impact syndrome.

[DC Tom]

"From this point forward, criticism of any gun control legislation will be demagogued; the critic painted as one indifferent to the murder of children.

 

bull ****. That's been happening for months.

[Chef Jim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1ABw6IMKn0

 

 

Dan Sandini, who was at the hearing, writes:

 

 

 

 

http://hotair.com/ar...-never-lost-it/

 

I had an employee that was from Bulgaria and got to sit down with several of his older friends from there. They all said the same thing about socialism, that we Americans have no idea how bad it can be and that we don't understand what freedom really is because we've never had to live without it.

Edited April 11, 2013 by Chef Jim

[DC Tom]

I had an employee that was from Bulgaria and got to sit down with several of his older friends from there. They all said the same thing about socialism, that we Americans have no idea how bad it can be and that we don't understand what freesom really is because we've never had to live without it.

 

I'll point out again: during the presidential debates when Romney told Obama "You'll get your chance" and people went into pants-wetting mode about how it was un-Constitutional, one of my coworkers, who's an immigrant from Africa, pointed out that the US is one of the few countries where you are permitted to tell the president to !@#$ off, and aren't risking your life doing so.

 

Americans are spoiled rotten children.

Edited April 11, 2013 by DC Tom

[meazza]

I had an employee that was from Bulgaria and got to sit down with several of his older friends from there. They all said the same thing about socialism, that we Americans have no idea how bad it can be and that we don't understand what freedom really is because we've never had to live without it.

 

Yeah but your friend is probably a crazy right winger.

[B-Man]

Missouri Secretly Shares Entire CCW List With Feds Against State Law

 

Missouri State Senator Kurt Schaefer confirmed today that the Missouri Highway Department did in fact share confidential CCW lists with the federal government in violation of Missouri law.

 

The Missouri State Highway Patrol has twice turned over the entire list of Missouri concealed weapon permit holders to federal authorities, most recently in January, Sen. Kurt Schaefer said Wednesday.

 

Questioning in the Senate Appropriations Committee revealed that on two occasions, in November 2011 and again in January, the patrol asked for and received the full list from the state Division of Motor Vehicle and Driver Licensing. Schaefer later met in his office with Col. Ron Replogle, superintendent of the patrol.

 

After the meeting, he said Replogle had given him sketchy details about turning over the list, enough to raise many more questions. Testimony from Department of Revenue officials revealed that the list of 185,000 names had been put online in one instance and given to the patrol on a disc in January.

 

Additionally:

“Apparently from what I understand, they wanted to match up anyone who had a mental diagnosis or disability with also having a concealed carry license,” Schaefer said. “What I am told is there is no written request for that information.”

 

http://www.redstate....inst-state-law/

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Edited April 11, 2013 by B-Man

[3rdnlng]

By Scott Ott at Scrappleface.com:

 

 

"First Lady Michelle Obama, in an intensely personal speech Wednesday, called for Chicago to ban stolen handguns, the most commonly-used murder weapon, in a city that tallied more than 500 murders last year.

Although Chicago already has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, Mrs. Obama said the city needs to “get serious about making illegally-acquired weapons illegal.”

The First Lady teared up as she recalled attending the funeral of a 15-year-old Chicago girl, shot in the back by a drive-by assailant, who reminded her of her own childhood in the same city.

“I realized that that young girl was me and I was her,” Obama said. “In other words, if I had been at that same spot just 35-years later, then Barack Obama would never have met me, and he would not be President of the United States today, so you would never get to hear this intensely-personal speech.”

President Obama said his wife’s gripping, emotional connection with that Chicago handgun murder should motivate Congress to pass more restrictive gun laws even if they would have no power to stop senseless murders of Chicago children.

“Republicans can argue that restricting magazine capacity, banning assault weapons or increasing background checks will do nothing to stem the tide of inner-city violence,” said the president, “but they can never counter the emotional impact of watching my wife cry. To them I say, your argument is invalid.”

[B-Man]

The post about Missouri secretly sharing CCW info highlights a core problem with restrictions on what government can and can’t do.

 

As the background check proposals in Congress would at least theoretically make it possible to create gun registration, we don’t simply need a law prohibiting doing so; Republicans should propose an amendment that makes creation or assistance in the creation of such a registry a felony under federal law, with mandatory prison time and loss of sovereign immunity.

 

If all the Democrats want is background checks, surely they wouldn’t object.”

 

Yes, there should be criminal liability, and also civil liability, with each affected person entitled to recover minimum damages of, say, $10,000 plus attorney’s fees and with sovereign immunity waived.

 

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/166912/

[KD in CA]

"First Lady Michelle Obama, in an intensely personal speech Wednesday, called for Chicago to ban stolen handguns, the most commonly-used murder weapon, in a city that tallied more than 500 murders last year.

Although Chicago already has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, Mrs. Obama said the city needs to “get serious about making illegally-acquired weapons illegal.”

 

Let me guess: On her next trip to New York, she'll share a stage and praise the efforts of local left wingers who are outlawing the NYPD's 'stop and frisk' policy.

[Joe Miner]

By Scott Ott at Scrappleface.com:

 

 

"First Lady Michelle Obama, in an intensely personal speech Wednesday, called for Chicago to ban stolen handguns, the most commonly-used murder weapon, in a city that tallied more than 500 murders last year.

Although Chicago already has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, Mrs. Obama said the city needs to “get serious about making illegally-acquired weapons illegal.”

The First Lady teared up as she recalled attending the funeral of a 15-year-old Chicago girl, shot in the back by a drive-by assailant, who reminded her of her own childhood in the same city.

“I realized that that young girl was me and I was her,” Obama said. “In other words, if I had been at that same spot just 35-years later, then Barack Obama would never have met me, and he would not be President of the United States today, so you would never get to hear this intensely-personal speech.”

President Obama said his wife’s gripping, emotional connection with that Chicago handgun murder should motivate Congress to pass more restrictive gun laws even if they would have no power to stop senseless murders of Chicago children.

“Republicans can argue that restricting magazine capacity, banning assault weapons or increasing background checks will do nothing to stem the tide of inner-city violence,” said the president, “but they can never counter the emotional impact of watching my wife cry. To them I say, your argument is invalid.”

 

I didn't check out your link.

 

This is a joke right?

[3rdnlng]

I didn't check out your link.

 

This is a joke right?

 

Scott Ott is a political humorist, well worth a daily trip to his site "Scrappleface".