KOKBILLS Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 However, if there is a cluster of qbs such as Barkley, Wilson, Manuel, Glennon and Bray that you closely rank then it might be worth the risk. Buddy Nix has a tendency to play it safe and not risk losing his favored player with a draft down maneuver. In this year's draft with a high priority placed on the qb position his conservative approach might be the right approach to take. We'll see how Barkley does at his Pro Day...At this point I'm hoping Barkley lights it up big time...Otherwise Manuel could move ahead of Barkley for good, and who knows what can happen from 1-7 if that is the case!!!...But to your point about the potential cluster of QB's...I don't think it's materializing that way this year...I think Smith is clearly #1...Barkley and Manuel are battling for #2, and both are considered 1st Round prospects...Nassib is next as a late 1st-early 2nd guy, but seems to be slipping a little...Then the next tier is Scott, who is on the rise, Glennon, Wilson, and Bray... To me, it's looking more and more like the Bills will be sweating bullets from picks 1-7...And if Smith or Manuel is there at #8 they will take either, and walk away happy to do so...
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 We'll see how Barkley does at his Pro Day...At this point I'm hoping Barkley lights it up big time...Otherwise Manuel could move ahead of Barkley for good, and who knows what can happen from 1-7 if that is the case!!!...But to your point about the potential cluster of QB's...I don't think it's materializing that way this year...I think Smith is clearly #1...Barkley and Manuel are battling for #2, and both are considered 1st Round prospects...Nassib is next as a late 1st-early 2nd guy, but seems to be slipping a little...Then the next tier is Scott, who is on the rise, Glennon, Wilson, and Bray... To me, it's looking more and more like the Bills will be sweating bullets from picks 1-7...And if Smith or Manuel is there at #8 they will take either, and walk away happy to do so... Agreed...nothing bad can come from Barkely lighting it up at his pro day.
KOKBILLS Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I rarely watch College football, but I did watch the entire Orange Bowl this year (Florida State vs Northern Illinois). I was far from impressed with Manuel, and based on that game, I was shocked to hear he's being considered in the top-2 rounds. It seemed like most of the passes he completed were wide open screens. It seems like his stock increase is a product of having the perfect measurables, and not actually being a great QB. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope if he ends up on the Bills it's not at #8 overall. I'm not saying this is a correct observation at all...But I am noticing that some of the experts are coming out pretty strong against FSU's Offensive scheme when talking about, and projecting Manuel...There seems to be a steady stream of quotes like the one Mayock continues to use about the ridiculous amount of short passes Manuel was asked to throw at FSU, etc...So there seems to be the feeling out there by some that Manuel was held back due to scheme,..
chris heff Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Speaking for myself, my head would explode. They don't even have a credible QB on the freaking roster at this point. FYI - Walter Football's scouting report on Manuel: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013emanuel.php I think the top three QBs in this draft are Smith, Barkley and Manuel. Now go read the scouting reports at Walters on each. Smith is compared to McNabb, and "sulks on sidelines" Barkley, not mobile but not a statue. Biggest knock is he is a USC QB. They don't list his strengths and weaknesses like the do for Smith and Manuel. Manuel, makes bad decisions, panics, will run first when presurred. I don't know, but makes me like Manuel and Barkley more than Smith.
JohnC Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 To me, it's looking more and more like the Bills will be sweating bullets from picks 1-7...And if Smith or Manuel is there at #8 they will take either, and walk away happy to do so... If Geno Smith is off the board and Barkley and Manuel are left when our turn comes up which qb does Buddy select? If Chan Gailey was still the HC I would guess that Manuel would be selected because he is more athletic. With Marrone and his west coast offense I would think that Barkley would be the selection. I'm not sure what Nix's philosophy is with respect to the qb position? Is Barkley more likely to be a Brees type qb or a Pennington type cb? Does Manuel in the long run have more upside? I strongly suspect that if Nix selects a qb in the first round that he is going to get immediate playing time. Does that factor in a Barkley selection because he is more prepared to play sooner? Not easy decisions. Very tough calls. Nix put himself in this very difficult position by not addressing the issue sooner. It would be interesting to know how much influence other members of the organization such as Whaley and Marrone have in the decision Maybe Nix will surprise us and not draft a qb in the first round? A good case can be made for a dynamic defensive player.
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 While athleticism is always a tremendous asset to a QB, the ability to make in pocket adjustments is more critical than being able to burn a defense with your feet. While some spread option was utilized as well as some pistol formations, for the most part the backs ran the ball and the QB either handed it off or threw it in all of the offenses integrated into the Marrone offense. I am sure they would be capable of adjusting the system to fit a particular strength or hide a weakness of a QB, but looking for a system fit to what they have run, athleticism would be on the last rung of the list of priorities. http://www.buffalobi...ackett-offense/
Beerball Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 So what happens when the Bills don't draft a QB? Collective head explodes? Protests? Boycotts? Business as usual? Given the current state of the position on this team what you're proposing is impossible.
Maury Ballstein Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Exploding heads would be the start......the Jason Campbell comparison in one of the linked articles just scared me for the record. From what I gathered he has all the tools easily to be a top tier qb but it hasn't really materialized yet for him.
Just Jack Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 So what happens when the Bills don't draft a QB? Collective head explodes? Protests? Boycotts? Business as usual? To start, it will be like Miami in 2007.....
The Big Cat Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 To start, it will be like Miami in 2007..... The best part of that clip: knowing what we know now, TGJ was better than any QB they thought they needed.
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 To start, it will be like Miami in 2007..... Best part of that clip is the "What do the fans know?" comment from the studio. With 20-20 hindsight, they knew a ton more than he did.
KOKBILLS Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Exploding heads would be the start......the Jason Campbell comparison in one of the linked articles just scared me for the record. From what I gathered he has all the tools easily to be a top tier qb but it hasn't really materialized yet for him. Well...The Campbell comparison has me a bit confused...Seeing as though Manuel rushed for more yards as a Sr than Campbell did in his 4 Auburn years combined...Maybe they have similar passing skills...Maybe...But Manuel's running ability, and the versatility that brings in today's NFL, make him a completely different animal IMHO...
KOKBILLS Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 To start, it will be like Miami in 2007..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM That never, ever, gets old...
The Big Cat Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) That never, ever, gets old... Seriously, the zoom on the mustached Floridian with the crew cut is like something RIGHT out of a movie. Edited March 20, 2013 by taC giB ehT
947 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Anybody know the Wonderlic scores for the QBs? I'd guess that Smith & Barkley are in the high range, and Manuel is a good bit lower based on what I've seen. Maybe the reason EJ's offense was so simple and relied on so many screens is that he couldn't handle complexity. I'll be pissed if we end up taking Manuel over Smith or Barkley because mobile option QBs are the flavor of the month, and we find out his Wonderlic is in the teens. RG3, Kaepernick, and R Wilson are very smart QBs and that's part of the reason they've been successful. Teams are gonna fail trying to copycat that model with Vince Young/Terrelle Pryor types.
Brainiac21 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Anybody know the Wonderlic scores for the QBs? I'd guess that Smith & Barkley are in the high range, and Manuel is a good bit lower based on what I've seen. Maybe the reason EJ's offense was so simple and relied on so many screens is that he couldn't handle complexity. I'll be pissed if we end up taking Manuel over Smith or Barkley because mobile option QBs are the flavor of the month, and we find out his Wonderlic is in the teens. RG3, Kaepernick, and R Wilson are very smart QBs and that's part of the reason they've been successful. Teams are gonna fail trying to copycat that model with Vince Young/Terrelle Pryor types. they generally aren't made public, until they are eventually leaked i believe. haven't heard any yet. when i heard both speak, Manuel actually seemed the more intelligent to me. Geno seemed very so-so with Mariucci on the whiteboard. of course Maurice Clarett seemed smarter than McGahee and look where that got him.
chris heff Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 If Geno Smith is off the board and Barkley and Manuel are left when our turn comes up which qb does Buddy select? If Chan Gailey was still the HC I would guess that Manuel would be selected because he is more athletic. With Marrone and his west coast offense I would think that Barkley would be the selection. I'm not sure what Nix's philosophy is with respect to the qb position? Is Barkley more likely to be a Brees type qb or a Pennington type cb? Does Manuel in the long run have more upside? I strongly suspect that if Nix selects a qb in the first round that he is going to get immediate playing time. Does that factor in a Barkley selection because he is more prepared to play sooner? Not easy decisions. Very tough calls. Nix put himself in this very difficult position by not addressing the issue sooner. It would be interesting to know how much influence other members of the organization such as Whaley and Marrone have in the decision Maybe Nix will surprise us and not draft a qb in the first round? A good case can be made for a dynamic defensive player. I'm with right up until the last sentence. They don't have even a second string QB on the roster. They have to take a QB at 8. You are right it is Buddy's fault that they have no other option. It is unbelievably stupid that he had no plan B if Fitz wasn't the guy.
1billsfan Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) http://www.buffalobi...ackett-offense/ "I am sure they would be capable of adjusting the system to fit a particular strength or hide a weakness of a QB, but looking for a system fit to what they have run, athleticism would be on the last rung of the list of priorities." The guy who wrote that couldn't be more wrong. Marrone ran what he ran because he had Ryan Nassib as his QB. Make no mistake, Doug Marrone will try to replicate New Orleans Saints offense. Last I knew, Drew Brees has a fast set of wheels on him and so will the QB that the Buffalo Bills select in round one or two. I think that fans here will be surprised at how how the NFL teams rank these QBs. I see them coming off the board...Smith, Manuel then Scott in the late first early second before both Barkley and Nassib. The NFL is changing and the traditional QBs are on the way out. The NFL no longer wants to deal with slow footed pocket QBs like Barkley, Nassib, Wilson, Landry, Bray and Glennon. There were a ton of NFL personnel at Arizona's pro day, while it looked like Nassib was all by himself in an empty room at his pro day in Syracuse. Pocket passers are dinosaurs. Yes I know, Joe Flacco won just this past year. I still think it's the last gasps of an old style that's on it's way out. Just look at the top QBs in next year's class...J. Football, Bridgewater, Boyd. Change is on it's way and it's coming faster than you think. The Bills will draft either Smith, Manuel or Scott as their QB of the future, just wait and see. Edited March 20, 2013 by 1billsfan
The Bunk Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Funny thing is, if you click the proflie for EJ Manuel and read his bio, they comapre him to Blaine lol even funnier, some scouts have compared Nassib to Fitz. Having watched EJ Manuel his entire career at FSU and seeing a lot of Gabbert, I see absolutely no similarities outside of being tall and playing QB.
chris heff Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 even funnier, some scouts have compared Nassib to Fitz. Having watched EJ Manuel his entire career at FSU and seeing a lot of Gabbert, I see absolutely no similarities outside of being tall and playing QB. Since you have watched Manuel's entire career could you read the scouting report from Walter's and express an opinion on the report?
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