zow2 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 If the Bills draft EJ Manuel at #8 I'd be stunned, and not in a good way. I'm fine with drafting EJ Manuel as long as he is the 2nd QB the Bills draft in April. I'm in the camp of wanting 2 rookie QB's to compete with TJ. If you draft two out of this 2013 class you up your chances of hitting on one.
Keukasmallies Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 A qb drafted after distilling the above comments, facts, myths, etc. would most certainly be a decision based on the lesser of many evils; not the kind of thing upon which to build a team, nor a stadium, nor a fan base.
Justice Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 http://www.buffalobi...ackett-offense/ Good Read. thanks for sharing. Anybody know the Wonderlic scores for the QBs? I'd guess that Smith & Barkley are in the high range, and Manuel is a good bit lower based on what I've seen. Maybe the reason EJ's offense was so simple and relied on so many screens is that he couldn't handle complexity. I'll be pissed if we end up taking Manuel over Smith or Barkley because mobile option QBs are the flavor of the month, and we find out his Wonderlic is in the teens. RG3, Kaepernick, and R Wilson are very smart QBs and that's part of the reason they've been successful. Teams are gonna fail trying to copycat that model with Vince Young/Terrelle Pryor types. According to Charles Davis, EJ Manuel is very intelligent. A hard worker and film junkie. EJ also stated that he would put in 13 hour days to whatever team that drafts him.
GG Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 And the comparisons to Culpepper should end right there... Nothing more than "separated at birth" vs
KOKBILLS Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 A qb drafted after distilling the above comments, facts, myths, etc. would most certainly be a decision based on the lesser of many evils; not the kind of thing upon which to build a team, nor a stadium, nor a fan base. Like that ever stopped the Bills before... Nothing more than "separated at birth" vs They don't interview the same...That's all I'm saying...The rest of the comparisons are quite valid...Size/speed especially...
UpperDeck Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Given that Buddy has previously been burned by waiting to pick a QB at perceived value I expect that we'll take one of them at 8 no matter what. I have a feeling it will be Barkely but if he and Geno are gone I wouldn't be surprised if we take Manuel. If we do I can't wait to see EJ, CJ, TJ and SJ on the field all at the same time. ;-) I don't follow college football so my opinion is based on what little I have seen. At the Senior Bowl EJ was the only QB that looked like he knew what he was doing. I also get the feeling (not based on his Senior Bowl play) that Tyler Wilson will be a capable QB in the NFL. I'll be happy if we take any of them. And if whomever we take does not appear to be panning out then take another one next year. We can't afford to wait any longer.
GG Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 They don't interview the same...That's all I'm saying...The rest of the comparisons are quite valid...Size/speed especially... Oh absolutely. I just thought that the physical resemblance was uncanny. Now queue all the mouth breathers who'll claim that all black QBs are the same.
eball Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Hand size is a factor when it comes to fumbling. Which is a pretty damned important factor playing in a cold climate, open air stadium.
KOKBILLS Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Oh absolutely. I just thought that the physical resemblance was uncanny. It is...And I'm not going to lie...It's scaring me a bit... Which is a pretty damned important factor playing in a cold climate, open air stadium. Careful... I got pretty beat up by some of the geniuses around here when I pointed out the same thing concerning Tyler Wilson and his tiny 8.5" hands...
dave mcbride Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Like that ever stopped the Bills before... They don't interview the same...That's all I'm saying...The rest of the comparisons are quite valid...Size/speed especially... That IS uncanny. Separated at birth. Edited March 20, 2013 by dave mcbride
ALF Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 The " Frankenstein Offense " sounds more intimidating then West Coast. It will take time to learn with a new qb and OG. I would be patient, it's the last rebuild till new owner and stadium.
Ramius Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) I love EJ, so here was my end of season analysis just after the bowl games, but PRIOR to the senior bowl, combine, etc. The Vitals: 6'4" 237 lbs. Career Starts: Career Record: 26-7Record breakdown by year: 3-1, 2-1, 9-3, 12-2 (his 1st 2 seasons he was in relief of an injured Ponder) Record Breakdown by "tough" opponents: 1-2 vs UF, 2-1 vs Clem, 1-1 vs VT, 0-1 vs OU, 1-1 ACC Championships Bowl Record: 4-0 (wins over WVU, So. Carolina, N.D., and NIU) The Good: EJ’s got all the physical measurables you could want in a QB. He’s big, he’s strong, he’s fast, he’s smart, and he’s got a strong arm. He can make all of the throws required of an NFL QB. He can get the ball downfield without a problem. His short pass accuracy in phenomenal. Here at FSU he was able to distribute the ball around to numerous receivers, so he doesn’t simply lock onto one guy. When he’s at the top of his game, he’s nearly unbeatable. Look at the Clemson game from this past season. When it comes to running, EJ’s very good. He’s got the wheels to make plays with his feet and is a threat in the open field. He runs the option as good as anyone I’ve seen. Quite a few times it appears that he’s going to get tackled for no gain, and yet gets the pitch out at the perfect second, right after the D has committed to him. EJ’s an intelligent kid and by all accounts, a hard worker. The Bad: EJ tends to be maddeningly inconsistent. Rarely did he toss up a complete stinker, but he’ll play excellent one week and then make you scratch your head with his play the next week. On intermediate to deeper patterns, EJ has a tendency to float the ball to open WRs, almost as if he’s trying to put too much touch on the pass. I believe this stems from him not always properly setting his feet and stepping into his passes. This leads to a propensity to throw high passes to WRs in the intermediate range as well. He can drill a 15 yard pass to a covered WR, but then will make an open WR leap to make a catch on what should have been an easy completion. EJ also struggles with indentifying blitzers, specifically from his blindside. He needs to improve on both seeing where the blitz is coming from, and getting rid of the ball faster when it is coming. EJ does need to learn to throw the ball away sometimes, instead of trying to make too much happen with his feet, like all young running QBs tend to do. Other Info: This season, it seems that Jimbo Fisher and EJ were not always on the same page. They had their share of “disagreements” on the sidelines. Jimbo also didn’t always do EJ any favors with the play calling. There were 3-4 games where it was questionable at best. EJ also stopped running after the Clemson game. The reason was unknown, but rumors swirled that it was either Jimbo’s playcalling, or that EJ wanted to show the NFL he could throw and be a passer and not just a runner. EJ came into FSU as a biomedical engineering major. That’s how I ended up meeting him, when he visited my lab. Ultimately: EJ’s got all the physical tools needed to succeed, but really needs to improve his consistency if he’s going to be successful. At this juncture, I don’t see him as a “franchise” QB. However, he does have a lot of the dreaded p-word, potential. So with some seasoning and some good coaching, there’s a realistic chance he could develop into a good QB. I'll just add that i think he's got the ability to develop into a franchise QB, but as i stated, he'll need some work. To me, everything that can be seen as a "negative" with him is correctable. And Jimbo definitely hurt EJ last season. As for the crap analysis from walterfootball, its just that, crap. The guy hasn't the slightest clue about EJ, and some of the things posted were flat out lies. Remember, walterfootball is still stinging from claiming Jimmy Claussen was going to be far and away the best QB in the 2009 draft. its a fan site, run by someone living in mom's basement, and nothing more. Edited March 20, 2013 by Ramius
eball Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I love EJ, so here was my end of season analysis just after the bowl games, but PRIOR to the senior bowl, combine, etc. I'll just add that i think he's got the ability to develop into a franchise QB, but as i stated, he'll need some work. To me, everything that can be seen as a "negative" with him is correctable. And Jimbo definitely hurt EJ last season. As for the crap analysis from walterfootball, its just that, crap. The guy hasn't the slightest clue about EJ, and some of the things posted were flat out lies. Remember, walterfootball is still stinging from claiming Jimmy Claussen was going to be far and away the best QB in the 2009 draft. its a fan site, run by someone living in mom's basement, and nothing more. MA!!! WHERE'S THE MEATLOAF!!!!
reddogblitz Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 I rarely watch College football, but I did watch the entire Orange Bowl this year (Florida State vs Northern Illinois). I was far from impressed with Manuel, and based on that game, I was shocked to hear he's being considered in the top-2 rounds. It seemed like most of the passes he completed were wide open screens. It seems like his stock increase is a product of having the perfect measurables, and not actually being a great QB. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope if he ends up on the Bills it's not at #8 overall. You sound like me! I don't watch a lot of college football either. But I did see his bowl game and another game late in the season. He looked OK I guess. I know he has a high completion percentage, but several of his passes were erratic and way off. He's big and can run and all that. Just didn't get warm fuzzies that he was a good precision passer, which you need (and will continue to need despite the recent fascination with running QBs IMHO). I'm not sure consistency is something that can coached. We couldn't make Fitz or JP consistent, why would we think we can make this guy consistent? More of a roll of the dice than I'd like. But if we take him I won't hate it (too much). I do think that if we want him, we better take him at 8 or else we'll lose out on him like we did Russel Wilson and Colin Kaepernick.
box0life Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Draft Manual as your next QB and this franchise will not make playoffs for another 10 years. I've watched him play in several games and he is not the answer. I saw him play in each game Florida State lost last year and he was a major reason they lost. His inconsistency is overwhelming. He also does not know how to play in poor weather. If he is the Bills pick for QB, I'd rather the Bills not draft a QB this year and go with Jackson. This team can not afford to waste a first round pick on a QB with as many holes as Manual. He can not win games for you. He plays not to lose and in no way can he dominate a game in the college level let alone the pros. He is a third round talent and nothing more. I'd rather have Fitzpatrick.
1billsfan Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 I love EJ, so here was my end of season analysis just after the bowl games, but PRIOR to the senior bowl, combine, etc. I'll just add that i think he's got the ability to develop into a franchise QB, but as i stated, he'll need some work. To me, everything that can be seen as a "negative" with him is correctable. And Jimbo definitely hurt EJ last season. As for the crap analysis from walterfootball, its just that, crap. The guy hasn't the slightest clue about EJ, and some of the things posted were flat out lies. Remember, walterfootball is still stinging from claiming Jimmy Claussen was going to be far and away the best QB in the 2009 draft. its a fan site, run by someone living in mom's basement, and nothing more. Manuel was my favorite QB at the start of the draft season and now it''s between him and Matt Scott. Geno Smith was always a pipe dream and I'm almost glad he'll be gone because I get a downer vibe from him for some reason. To me, EJ Manuel checks all of the boxes except for questions on hard core competitiveness and consistency. Matt Scott checks all of the boxes except for ideal size and his rawness due too lack of starts. I would love for Manuel to be drafted by the Bills, but I do have this gut feeling that Scott will be the best QB in this class due to him being the most competitive combined with his strong release and amazing athletic skills. I just hope it's one of the two.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 I am noticing that some of the experts are coming out pretty strong against FSU's Offensive scheme when talking about, and projecting Manuel...There seems to be a steady stream of quotes like the one Mayock continues to use about the ridiculous amount of short passes Manuel was asked to throw at FSU, etc...So there seems to be the feeling out there by some that Manuel was held back due to scheme,.. Yes. The criticism of Jimbo Fisher, the Seminoles HC and OC is pretty rampant as far as him handcuffing EJ and adhering to an offense that doesn't play to his QB's strengths. The irony is that EJ is a great short thrower and he's a wizard in the screen game. With his height, length and athleticism you see him routinely getting the ball to the receiver on screen passes where other QBs would have trouble. Funny thing that people take this skill for granted but throwing a screen is very tricky and dangerous stuff. There's lots of people in a small space. Of course he also has a bazooka arm. Anybody know the Wonderlic scores for the QBs? I'd guess that Smith & Barkley are in the high range, and Manuel is a good bit lower based on what I've seen. Maybe the reason EJ's offense was so simple and relied on so many screens is that he couldn't handle complexity. I'll be pissed if we end up taking Manuel over Smith or Barkley because mobile option QBs are the flavor of the month, and we find out his Wonderlic is in the teens. RG3, Kaepernick, and R Wilson are very smart QBs and that's part of the reason they've been successful. Teams are gonna fail trying to copycat that model with Vince Young/Terrelle Pryor types. You're basing your opinion of Manuel's intelligence on what you've seen? What have you seen? For the record, EJ is very well-spoken and has completed his degree in Communication with high grades. He's working on a second degree in Criminology. No, they're not super-hard majors but to have completed his program with good grades and to be pursuing a second degree speaks volumes to me.
KeisterHollow Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 EJ has certainly propelled himself into the bottom of round 1 to the bottom of round 2. He just has too many measurables that are tools to use; height, weight, strength, athleticism, intelligence, record, arm strength. He has all the tools you want out of a QB; a poor man's Newton. I'm also of the opinion that guys like Bray, Wilson, Nassib, even Dysert and Scott, have potential to be good QB's. I echo the opinion of the original post - Dion Jordan and any good QB would be a nice combo. Heck, I'd also be happy to see, say, Barkley and then Hunter - WR Tenn, that one-two punch on draft day that will alter the complection of the respective unit. Frankly, if Buddy wants to go out having achieved success, he's going to have to hit on most of his draft picks this year, and get a few gems in udfa as well. This team has to be competitive this year, and built mostly of young players.
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