BillsVet Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 From Peter King's MMQB this AM: Baalke knew the Bills weren't going to take Kaepernick or Dalton at 34, and he figured Cincy would take Dalton at 35. Peter King reported leading up to the 2011 draft that Buffalo was a "black hole" of information. Unlike teams that attempt to use subterfuge, the Bills buttoned up completely that year. Yet, how did SF and presumably other teams needing a QB know the Bills would not take either Kaepernick or Dalton?
thebandit27 Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 A lot of times teams will get information from agents/families/reps of draft-eligible players. It's pretty easy to speak to an agent or player and find out if Team X has spoken to them. Also, GMs spend a lot of time at the draft conversing about all kinds of things, so it's not out of the question for Nix and Baalke to have spoken briefly before day 2 began and Baalke to have gotten the impression that Nix wasn't picking a QB.
eball Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 There's too much we don't know to answer that question, and by even asking it you're assuming King's information is accurate (which it may not be). Remember, King gets his tidbits from insiders who also have their own agendas to promote.
apuszczalowski Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Hindsight is also a wonderful thing Coming out now and saying that the 49ers GM knew Buffalo wouldn't take a QB, and the Bengals would take Dalton at 35 is much easier a year or 2 later
White Linen Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 A lot of times teams will get information from agents/families/reps of draft-eligible players. It's pretty easy to speak to an agent or player and find out if Team X has spoken to them. Also, GMs spend a lot of time at the draft conversing about all kinds of things, so it's not out of the question for Nix and Baalke to have spoken briefly before day 2 began and Baalke to have gotten the impression that Nix wasn't picking a QB. Yeah but why would an agent/family member/rep say "no that team hasn't talked to us"? That would only hurt the player and allow him to slip.
thebandit27 Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Yeah but why would an agent/family member/rep say "no that team hasn't talked to us"? That would only hurt the player and allow him to slip. I don't think they'd say that, but they might say "yeah, we've talked to Team A, Team B, etc.", which would allow a GM to deduce who might be interested.
KD in CA Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 98% of all secrets are revealed the same way: Alcohol.
Alphadawg7 Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 From Peter King's MMQB this AM: Baalke knew the Bills weren't going to take Kaepernick or Dalton at 34, and he figured Cincy would take Dalton at 35. Peter King reported leading up to the 2011 draft that Buffalo was a "black hole" of information. Unlike teams that attempt to use subterfuge, the Bills buttoned up completely that year. Yet, how did SF and presumably other teams needing a QB know the Bills would not take either Kaepernick or Dalton? Because the Bills were too stupid to take a QB and believed in one that everyone knew wasnt very good.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 A lot of BS. I guess you can say the Bills spend a ton of money on Fitz, so they likely won't spend another high pick on a guy. at the same time, the 49ers believed so much in Kaepernick that they tried to sign Manning and re-signed Smith. 20-20.
Saint Doug Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 This is sad. Buffalo (Nix) became so predictably dumb as to not take a QB when they should have been.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 From Peter King's MMQB this AM: Baalke knew the Bills weren't going to take Kaepernick or Dalton at 34, and he figured Cincy would take Dalton at 35. Peter King reported leading up to the 2011 draft that Buffalo was a "black hole" of information. Unlike teams that attempt to use subterfuge, the Bills buttoned up completely that year. Yet, how did SF and presumably other teams needing a QB know the Bills would not take either Kaepernick or Dalton? I knew you would create this thread. PTR
mead107 Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 They had no idea he would turn out the way he did.
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 A lot of BS. I guess you can say the Bills spend a ton of money on Fitz, so they likely won't spend another high pick on a guy. at the same time, the 49ers believed so much in Kaepernick that they tried to sign Manning and re-signed Smith. 20-20. 2011 draft was before Fitz's extension, though.
Pirate Angel Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 From Peter King's MMQB this AM: Baalke knew the Bills weren't going to take Kaepernick or Dalton at 34, and he figured Cincy would take Dalton at 35. Peter King reported leading up to the 2011 draft that Buffalo was a "black hole" of information. Unlike teams that attempt to use subterfuge, the Bills buttoned up completely that year. Yet, how did SF and presumably other teams needing a QB know the Bills would not take either Kaepernick or Dalton? Kaepernick is not in the SEC....I also believe that they mentioned that Fitz is there guy at the time ...Honestly I doubt they new they maybe they just took the highest rated player on the board when they where on the clock. Alot of tape on Kapernick was a run first mentality..not always attractive to the NFL but maybe they had more info on the guy being SF is closest to Nevada
thewildrabbit Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) A lot of BS. I guess you can say the Bills spend a ton of money on Fitz, so they likely won't spend another high pick on a guy. at the same time, the 49ers believed so much in Kaepernick that they tried to sign Manning and re-signed Smith. 20-20. Jim Harbaugh already had a #1 overall pick at QB in Alex Smith and resurrected him from a QB that couldn't win, that nobody wanted, to a playoff caliber player. Which still wasn't good enough for him so tried to sign Manning and he drafted Colin Kaepernick. Pete Carroll in Seattle with Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst Matt Flynn, Tavaris Jackson, then drafted Russell Wilson, Mike Shanahan in Washington with Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, John Beck, then gave up the farm for RG3, and still drafted Kirk Cousins in the same year. Top, smart, very good head coaches keep working,and looking to obtain that elusive "elite" QB that can win a SB for them. Unlike the Buffalo Bills with Nix & Gailey who stuck with Fitz for 3 years and didn't even bring in reasonable competition for the QB position is a big reason why the team doesn't win many games. P.S. Someone please explain how Buddy Nix missed so badly by drafting DB Aaron Williams with a #2 pick right before Andy Dalton in the 2011 draft. There was no Tom Modrak excuse for the 2011 Draft. Besides CJ Spiller (who was Gaileys waterbug) where are all the future pro bowlers from the Buddy Nix drafts? This is the man the Buffalo Bills are trusting to find their franchise QB? Edited January 28, 2013 by FeartheLosing
NickelCity Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Jim Harbaugh already had a #1 overall pick at QB in Alex Smith and resurrected him from a QB that couldn't win, that nobody wanted, to a playoff caliber player. Which still wasn't good enough for him so tried to sign Manning and he drafted Colin Kaepernick. Pete Carroll in Seattle with Matt Hasselbeck, Charlie Whitehurst Matt Flynn, Tavaris Jackson, then drafted Russell Wilson, Mike Shanahan in Washington with Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, John Beck, then gave up the farm for RG3, and still drafted Kirk Cousins in the same year. Top, smart, very good head coaches keep working,and looking to obtain that elusive "elite" QB that can win a SB for them. Unlike the Buffalo Bills with Nix & Gailey who stuck with Fitz for 3 years and didn't even bring in reasonable competition for the QB position is a big reason why the team doesn't win many games. +1 With the rookie pay scale, I am fully on board with taking QBs each year until we find our own 'elite' qb.
BillsVet Posted January 28, 2013 Author Posted January 28, 2013 There was no Tom Modrak excuse for the 2011 Draft. Modrak was fired 5/4/2011. I knew you would create this thread. PTR Yes, because I start no more than 5 threads a year.
Doc Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 They knew because Fitz looked like a guy worth developing at that point.
mob16151 Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Jim Harbaugh already had a #1 overall pick at QB in Alex Smith and resurrected him from a QB that couldn't win, that nobody wanted, to a playoff caliber player. Which still wasn't good enough for him so tried to sign Manning and he drafted Colin Kaepernick. You do realize he tried to sign Manning'even after having drafted Kaepernick 'and having him on the roster for a season. So obviously even the 49ers weren't really sold on him.
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