General deal on Immigration among Senate gang...

[dayman]

SOB, I suggest you change your name to SOS. When will this crusade to make the federal government the end all end?

 

When I make the kill list

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They're already trying to back off on securing the borders first:

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/schumer-immigration-border-rubio/2013/02/02/id/488585?s=al&promo_code=124E6-1

 

 

 

<p>Sen. Chuck Schumer may have undercut fellow Sen. Marco Rubio by saying that border enforcement does not necessarily need to be paired with a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

 

Rubio, a Florida Republican who is a potential 2016 presidential candidate, participated in New York Democrat Schumer’s recent announcement on immigration overhaul largely because of that contingency, The Daily Caller reported. The announced framework was built in part on Rubio’s proposal to tie citizenship for America’s estimated 11 million immigrants to an independent group that would declare when the border is secure.

 

Rubio said on Rush Limbaugh’s radio program that “If, in fact, this bill does not have real triggers in there, if there is not language in this bill that guarantees that nothing else will happen unless these enforcement mechanisms are in place, I won’t support it,” he said.

 

Many House conservatives say that coupling border security with a pathway to citizenship is a key issue to address, but it would be just one among many others such as the potential costs of an immigration bill.

 

“When you legalize those who are in the country illegally, it costs taxpayers millions of dollars, costs American workers thousands of jobs and encourages more illegal immigration,” Republican U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas said.

 

Steve Camarota with the Center for Immigration Studies tells Newsmax that the vast majority of current legal immigrant households are headed by someone with a high school level of education or less. He added that another high percentage of legal and illegal immigrants already use one or more federal government social services such as free school lunch, public or rent subsidized housing, and health care.

 

Those expensive costs could suddenly reach into the tens of billions of dollars should Congress grant current illegal immigrants amnesty, Camarota explained.

 

“Legal immigrants with little education use social programs at a very high rate,” he said. “How is legalizing illegal immigrants with the propensity to use public services good for taxpayers?”

 

Still, addressing enforcing current law is still critical to the success of an immigration reform bill in the House. Texas Republican U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert is among those who remain adamant that no deal can be reached without first addressing border security.

 

"If we make sure we know who's coming into the country, you'd be amazed at how fast we could get a deal on immigration," Gohmert tells Newsmax.

 

 

 

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[Magox]

Schumer then back tracks on his back track.

 

 

 

Schumer stands firm on border security

 

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer (D) wants to immediately end growing chatter in conservative circles that he's backtracking from the bipartisan immigration proposal's border security requirements.

 

Underscoring the fragile nature of the bipartisan talks, Schumer aides said Friday that the senator is completely on board with the idea -- backed by GOP senators -- that the border must first be effectively secured before the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants can obtain permanent legal status, including citizenship.

 

“The bipartisan framework clearly states that the border enforcement metrics must be met before any path to citizenship is triggered, and Sen. Schumer has not wavered from that principle," Schumer spokesman Brian Fallon said Friday. "At the same time, the border enforcement metrics cannot be an unachievable standard that postpones an earned path to citizenship indefinitely.”

 

The comments underscore the challenge of turning a five-page document into a detailed legislative proposal -- with many details, including over the pathway to citizenship and border security measures -- still to be worked out.

 

As part of that broad bipartisan agreement, illegal immigrants can live and work legally in the United States after they register with the government, pay fines and back taxes -- allowing them to obtain a probationary legal status. But they could not obtain green cards or get on a pathway to citizenship until after a series of border security and enforcement measures take effect. That has been a chief demand of Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who endorsed the deal.

 

Schumer aides are responding to a Thursday press conference in which the senator was asked about linking border security to the pathway to citizenship and concerns that illegal immigrants could be waiting in limbo endlessly under the terms of the proposal. Schumer said the senators were trying to make sure border security isn't an "excuse" to block obtaining citizenship.

 

"We're not using border security as an excuse or a block to the path to citizenship," Schumer told reporters Thursday. "We just want to make sure -- and this is very important both substantively and politically — that there is a secure border, and we’re going to work for that. The [bipartisan group] wants to make sure the border is secure, but not to use it as a barrier to prevent the 11 million from eventually gaining a path to citizenship."

 

Immediately afterward, several conservative news outlets reported on the remarks, suggesting that the New York Democrat was backing off the border security requirements. The National Review ran an item on its website, saying, "Will Rubio Pull Out of the Gang of Eight Now?"

 

But Schumer insists that nothing has changed since last Monday, when he, Rubio and six other senators signed off on the deal.

 

 

 

Sorry no link still having troubles copy and pasting links on the iPad Article was from politico.

 

 

The fact that schumer felt the need to reiterate his support for border enforcement is a positive development.

 

Knowing Obama, he and his political team will still try to drive a wedge between Latinos and the GOP. Most Americans support stricter border security it is up to the R's to make their case, if more libe like schumer support this it will make it tougher for the White House to become more lax on the issue

Edited February 3, 2013 by Magox

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Schumer then back tracks on his back track.

 

 

 

Schumer stands firm on border security

 

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer (D) wants to immediately end growing chatter in conservative circles that he's backtracking from the bipartisan immigration proposal's border security requirements.

 

Underscoring the fragile nature of the bipartisan talks, Schumer aides said Friday that the senator is completely on board with the idea -- backed by GOP senators -- that the border must first be effectively secured before the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants can obtain permanent legal status, including citizenship.

 

“The bipartisan framework clearly states that the border enforcement metrics must be met before any path to citizenship is triggered, and Sen. Schumer has not wavered from that principle," Schumer spokesman Brian Fallon said Friday. "At the same time, the border enforcement metrics cannot be an unachievable standard that postpones an earned path to citizenship indefinitely.”

 

The comments underscore the challenge of turning a five-page document into a detailed legislative proposal -- with many details, including over the pathway to citizenship and border security measures -- still to be worked out.

 

As part of that broad bipartisan agreement, illegal immigrants can live and work legally in the United States after they register with the government, pay fines and back taxes -- allowing them to obtain a probationary legal status. But they could not obtain green cards or get on a pathway to citizenship until after a series of border security and enforcement measures take effect. That has been a chief demand of Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who endorsed the deal.

 

Schumer aides are responding to a Thursday press conference in which the senator was asked about linking border security to the pathway to citizenship and concerns that illegal immigrants could be waiting in limbo endlessly under the terms of the proposal. Schumer said the senators were trying to make sure border security isn't an "excuse" to block obtaining citizenship.

 

"We're not using border security as an excuse or a block to the path to citizenship," Schumer told reporters Thursday. "We just want to make sure -- and this is very important both substantively and politically — that there is a secure border, and we’re going to work for that. The [bipartisan group] wants to make sure the border is secure, but not to use it as a barrier to prevent the 11 million from eventually gaining a path to citizenship."

 

Immediately afterward, several conservative news outlets reported on the remarks, suggesting that the New York Democrat was backing off the border security requirements. The National Review ran an item on its website, saying, "Will Rubio Pull Out of the Gang of Eight Now?"

 

But Schumer insists that nothing has changed since last Monday, when he, Rubio and six other senators signed off on the deal.

 

 

This is the problem I have with dems like Schumer. They're always either saying two things or saying one thing while working behind the scenes for something else. I can guarantee that if the bill gets passed as advertised that there will be a bunch of dems trying to modify the border security provisions down the road, either by defunding fences or drone programs, etc., or encouraging those provisions somehow to be struck down in court. Of course they'll be blaming republicans for whatever flavor of the day draconian measures they can cook up.