Rob's House Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I didn't lay a finger on his Hypnotoad. And are you suggesting that posters with conservative viewpoints that you agree with be given great latitude while posters with liberal viewpoints you disagree with be sanctioned? I can only hope my sarcasm detector needs fresh batteries. I just meant because we're awesome, but your way works too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Awwwwww, is somebody upset that they have been asked to follow the same rules as everybody else? Aren't you the one who posted the Election Day thread on TSW? I did that for a couple reasons: Seriously? I've spent months pointing out to you where you apply moderation rules inconsistently, capriciously, and to no small degree according to your own personal grudges...and you still don't get it. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Seriously? I've spent months pointing out to you where you apply moderation rules inconsistently, capriciously, and to no small degree according to your own personal grudges...and you still don't get it. Unbelievable. Holy ****. A DC Tom sighting. Where you been, bub? I thought you'd flown the coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) the far, extreme, despicable, unbearable right wing war on simon is in full force Edited January 27, 2013 by SameOldBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 you apply moderation rules inconsistently, With a bunch of different people with different personalities doing this job, only a complete fool would be driven to expect a perfect consistency. Ohhhh.......... you apply moderation rules ...capriciously, I am considered to be a very level-headed, even-keeled fellow by folks who know me, so the irony of being called capricious by someone like you is exceedingly entertaining. you apply moderation rules ... to no small degree according to your own personal grudges. The only grudges I have are short term ones against people who repeatedly act like asshats. And that aligns pretty well with my duties as a TBD janitor. I've spent months pointing out to you ...and you still don't get it. Unbelievable. Maybe that's because your accusations and insults have no veracity anywhere outside of your head so there is nothing to "get". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) I did that for a couple reasons: 1) I thought having a single thread once every four years on election day wouldn't bother anybody since they didn't have to open it if they didn't want to. 2) It was inevitable there was going to be political nonsense on election day so I thought having a thread for it would focus it there and keep it from spreading over the rest of the board. It seems that point #2 worked well but point #1 not so much, as there were some people who cried about it. Ironically enough, I think all of those people were PPP regulars. What a stunning co-incidence. It did not bother me, there are a million threads I never look at because I can see by the subject that I would not have any interest. It made me chuckle because in 99% of the cases I do not want to know what "Joe Football" has to say about politics - someone like Jim, EII, Dev, or 3rd I would be interested in, as they have a body of work to stand on where I can understand them. Then there is someone like Tom, Chef Jim and a few others that will flat out call you wrong and that upsets many people. Not everyone is AJ or Mead who can get along with everyone, we're all not that diplomatic. I also realize that if I come in to PPP I better tighten my belt and lace up my boots because this is where the big boys come to play. If this were any other thread on any other board I would not at all be interacting on what a moderator has or has not done - I do not mind the rules, because I choose to be a part of this community. However, point 1 I find ironic because it might have been better to close, delete or go so far as to ban posters bringing up the election on TSW. I know this would have been a lot more work but it would have made the point a lot better that there is zero tolerance for PPP type discussion on TSW. There are a great many rules for this board and all of them to my knowledge are great but I do see that some rules are enforced differently upon some then others but that is life and this is PPP so we all know life is not fair. Moderating others is hard, moderating ones self is even harder, we all need to take it upon ourselves to do the moderation so big bad brother doesn't... edit: for grammar Edited January 27, 2013 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 the far, extreme, despicable, unbearable right wing war on simon is in full force full force? This is a gently, tickling breeze on the Saffir-Simpson scale. And Tom is not a right winger, he just has the social skills of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) FWIW, I don't see the problem with having an election day political thread on the main wall during Presidential elections. I don't have any use for it because it always irritates me to find out posters I found to be reasonably intelligent, even insightful, are a bunch of blithering idiots, but I don't get the great outrage over the thread. I obviously like arguing politics, but it rubs me the wrong way when some dick bag starts talking about Faux News or some dumn **** like that on the main board. For me mixing football and politics is like mixing religion and porn; it just doesn't work for me. Edited January 27, 2013 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 FWIW, I don't see the problem with having an election day political thread on the main wall during Presidential elections. I don't have any use for it because it always irritates me to find out posters I found to be reasonably intelligent, even insightful, are a bunch of blithering idiots, but I don't get the great outrage over the thread. I obviously like arguing politics, but it rubs me the wrong way when some dick bag starts talking about Faux News or some dumn **** like that on the main board. For me mixing football and politics is like mixing religion and porn; it just doesn't work for me. You put it a little bit more succinctly with some more edge then I did, but yes. It's not that the thread was made - it is those who partook in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 However, point 1 I find ironic because it might have been better to close, delete or go so far as to ban posters bringing up the election on TSW. I know this would have been a lot more work ...... You have no idea...... And since I was at work, it would have been an absolute nightmare to moderate when I was busy with other things and couldn't address it in real time. There would have been dozens of mindless "observations" interspersed throughout dozens of different threads, followed by dozens of indignant responses from the other "team". Clean up would have consisted of the choice between hours of work or just dumping a bunch of threads that had been fouled by the partisan morons. I do see that some rules are enforced differently upon some then others but that is life and this is PPP so we all know life is not fair. If you're referring to political speech, which seems likely since that is what this discussion entails, then you are simply wrong. No political commentary of any kind is welcome outside of PPP by any person regardless of what side of the aisle they sit on. (Here is the opportunity for some of you to accuse me of not following the rules because I started an election thread once in 4 years in hopes of keeping the inevitable political arguments from polluting the rest of the board) If you are referring to something else, you are free to send me some examples so I know what you're talking about. It's not that the thread was made - it is those who partook in it. Would you care to be more specific? FWIW, I don't see the problem with having an election day political thread on the main wall during Presidential elections. I don't have any use for it because it always irritates me to find out posters I found to be reasonably intelligent, even insightful, are a bunch of blithering idiots, but I don't get the great outrage over the thread. I obviously like arguing politics, but it rubs me the wrong way when some dick bag starts talking about Faux News or some dumn **** like that on the main board. For me mixing football and politics is like mixing religion and porn; it just doesn't work for me. It's not the thread itself, it's the person who started it; suffice to say I am not well-loved around here ; - ) I thought it was a necessary and beneficial thread in that it gave people a place to vent and kept the rest of the board clean. And since it is common knowledge that politics are not welcome on the main board, a moderator is the only one who could/would have started the thread without fear of having it removed. So in a Nixon goes to China moment, I started it. The only downside was that it gave some folks the rare opportunity to take shots at me for not following the rules. C'est la vie...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Would you care to be more specific? Sure. In my case I am not a very good wordsmith. I struggle with arguments some times and have been mocked for having difficulty sticking to the subject. If I ventured in to that forum or any other forum and spouted some PPP type viewpoint in a thread it would have a trickle effect in to other entries I make. If I say I am a meat eating atheist then I would stand a chance to offend someone, and those people may carry a judgement upon my life in to another thread or response. A good example is Coach Tuesday. He is a vegan and I respect his right to do so...though it's a bit fruity (pun intended). He does not like that I farm livestock and I do not care for his viewpoints of my practice. In our cases I do not think we hold a grudge against each other on the boards, but many others might and have, as has been witnessed. Another fine example is a poster I will not name whom wanted to meet me nearby (lives locally) to fight because I have viewpoints that are different from him and shared them in the shoutbox. Those ill feelings were not carried forward by myself and I am fairly certain by him, as well. I guess it has to do with what Rob said. Many people are not eloquent at all with what they say, having no tact or grace, having no ability to spell out their thoughts and even when they do often times there will be people who just do not care to hear them. ...so those people that posted in that thread, while I do not remember it at all, likely over shared, and I am sure some images were tainted. It is just different in PPP, it stays here. Name calling, and borderline personal attacks are the regular here and do not fly on OTW or TSW. Yet, calling out a poster who is an uneducated yuppy wine glass half full Nancy Pelosi loving fruit may be harsh but I do not think DC Tom would hold it against me on OTW. Edited January 28, 2013 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) ...so those people that posted in that thread, while I do not remember it at all, likely over shared, and I am sure some images were tainted. It is just different in PPP, it stays here. Name calling, and borderline personal attacks are the regular here and do not fly on OTW or TSW. Yet, calling out a poster who is an uneducated yuppy wine glass half full Nancy Pelosi loving fruit may be harsh but I do not think DC Tom would hold it against me on OTW. I would say there is validity to this point and it was well stated. For the most part there is an understanding here, and part of that includes that the intensity/rivalry that inherently develops be considered in context outside of this terrible place..while within the walls it's another story Edited January 28, 2013 by SameOldBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Awwwwww, is somebody upset that they have been asked to follow the same rules as everybody else? I know, I know; you're a special little guy. So maybe if you cry and stomp your feet some more the world will recognize how special you are and then you can have a special set of rules just for yourself. Cuz special little guys like you shouldn't have to worry about things like self-discipline and personal responsibility. Special little guys like you should be allowed to post political comments wherever they want; even if they've been asked on multiple occasions not to do so. And when they ignore those repeated requests and continue to drag their politics outside of PPP, those big meany moderators should recognize how special they are and just let them do whatever they want. But if that doesn't work they should have a little tantrum, make up a bunch of bullshlt about how the big meanies are out to get them for no reason and then throw theselves on the ground in a screeching hissy fit until somebody reassures them about how special they really are. So let me get this straight. If I happen to be on any other forum than PPP and I find in relevant to bring politics into a discussion I'm in danger of getting banned. What the !@#$ dude. That is pretty !@#$ing lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Sure. In my case I am not a very good wordsmith. I struggle with arguments some times and have been mocked for having difficulty sticking to the subject. If I ventured in to that forum or any other forum and spouted some PPP type viewpoint in a thread it would have a trickle effect in to other entries I make. If I say I am a meat eating atheist then I would stand a chance to offend someone, and those people may carry a judgement upon my life in to another thread or response. A good example is Coach Tuesday. He is a vegan and I respect his right to do so...though it's a bit fruity (pun intended). He does not like that I farm livestock and I do not care for his viewpoints of my practice. In our cases I do not think we hold a grudge against each other on the boards, but many others might and have, as has been witnessed. Another fine example is a poster I will not name whom wanted to meet me nearby (lives locally) to fight because I have viewpoints that are different from him and shared them in the shoutbox. Those ill feelings were not carried forward by myself and I am fairly certain by him, as well. I guess it has to do with what Rob said. Many people are not eloquent at all with what they say, having no tact or grace, having no ability to spell out their thoughts and even when they do often times there will be people who just do not care to hear them. ...so those people that posted in that thread, while I do not remember it at all, likely over shared, and I am sure some images were tainted. It is just different in PPP, it stays here. Name calling, and borderline personal attacks are the regular here and do not fly on OTW or TSW. Yet, calling out a poster who is an uneducated yuppy wine glass half full Nancy Pelosi loving fruit may be harsh but I do not think DC Tom would hold it against me on OTW. You should have sent him out in the boonies to meet you, not shown up, and then called him a pu$$y for bitching out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 You should have sent him out in the boonies to meet you, not shown up, and then called him a pu$$y for bitching out. Well he made a thread a while back that told everybody who he is and where he lives so ... you don't want some crazy showing up at the door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So let me get this straight. If I happen to be on any other forum than PPP and I find in relevant to bring politics into a discussion I'm in danger of getting banned. What the !@#$ dude. That is pretty !@#$ing lame. I could be wrong, but I think you'd be okay making a political reference as long as you weren't stoking the politica fires or trying to advance political points. If not, the problem is probably more with the enforcement of the rule rather than the rule itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I can only hope my sarcasm detector needs fresh batteries. It's not the only thing of yours that needs fresh set of batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So let me get this straight. If I happen to be on any other forum than PPP and I find in relevant to bring politics into a discussion I'm in danger of getting banned. What the !@#$ dude. That is pretty !@#$ing lame. If you were asked three different times to knock it off and then insisted on continuing to do it, then yes, there would be the possibility of a suspension. It's a last resort for when posters have shown they are unwilling or incapable of self-restraint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I could be wrong, but I think you'd be okay making a political reference as long as you weren't stoking the politica fires or trying to advance political points. If not, the problem is probably more with the enforcement of the rule rather than the rule itself. Agree. In reality, no matter Simon or others denying it, there are always exemptions for the rules. By the end of Hossage's go at the boards he could not even sneeze without drawing attention while others could provoke him and taunt him. It is just the way it goes, it's not fair, it's bullsheet, it's crap, but it's life. Sure, I have disagreed with things some moderators have done or not done but I do not take it that seriously where it disturbs me. The greater good of this board is that we get to debate Mario for Skelton. Well he made a thread a while back that told everybody who he is and where he lives so ... you don't want some crazy showing up at the door Or...more importantly, I am well prepared for a crazy showing up at my door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Or...more importantly, I am well prepared for a crazy showing up at my door. Still...if you can avoid it by not telling someone to come meet your for a fight...probably worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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