buckeyemike Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 As a man who believes that Jesus is the Son of God, came in the flesh, and died and rose again for all humanity I agree. I am open to those I come in contact with on a daily basis by my lifestyle that I love all that He has done for me. I am happy he is happy and thanking God. I dont know the mans heart and cant judge him personally. The problem I have is with the grandstanders in public and behind the pulpit that live contrary to what they preach . live it or shut up is my feeling. ^^^This^^^
Hater Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I am an Atheist, so I am not taking sides on this issue I just find it funny that God who suppose to love all would give one Player or Team the edge to win a game, does he pick the player that prays harder I am not being mean I just like to know how a player can justify saying God gave me the ability to Win, that like saying I am a better Christian then the the guy
BillsBackersChicago Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 In two days, I have had to look up two words written on this godforsaken (like how I incorporated the subject material) board that I did not know the meaning of: proselytizing and now abiogenesis. I am thinking that either you guys are getting too damn smart, or I am getting decidedly dumber. It might be from reading some of the posts on here, but wow, you guys and your fancy words.
Dibs Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I have no problem with sports people thanking God for having been blessed with skills and abilities well above the norm. I also have no problem with them thanking God for being in a situation where there personal dreams can be fulfilled(irrelevant to how self serving those dreams are). Both of these to me are similar to thanking God for the food on ones table or the roof over ones head. I do however have a problem with sports people thanking God in such a manner that implies that He has taken a specific interest in the outcome of the sporting event or athlete's success. The mildest view I can take on those athletes is that they are unwise. Less mild views would contain the words "hubris", "attention seeking", "self absorbed" and "misguided".
Prickly Pete Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Ray Lewis implies that God is endorsing him. That implies that he is worthy of God's good will, which implies that Ray Lewis must be a good guy. That is why he grandstands, to say "how can I be a bad guy if God is having all these great things happen to me?". It's a total ego trip, and the more he insists it is "God's work" the more I think he is compensating. Lot's of bad guys have won Super Bowls, and lots of bad guys have been ministers, priest's, and ayatollah's. I also question his constant proclamations about "being a man", and his manhood, etc. Draw your own conclusions about that. Edited January 23, 2013 by Manti'sMicro
Dibs Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (no capital needed) According to the English language, technically a capitol is needed.
Prickly Pete Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 According to the English language, technically a capitol is needed. Do you mean "capital" (because we are being "technical" here)?
Dibs Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Do you mean "capital" (because we are being "technical" here)? lol
CSBill Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 I think Lewis' passion is sincere. I think the only contrived Ray Lewis actions are that idiotic dance thing he does at the beginning of games. And I don't hate Tim Tebow. I just don't buy his schtick. It's why I prefaced my opinions with what I did. It's just my personal belief that Tebow is a huge phony. Wow, pretty strong judgement against someone you don't know, I really don't get the angst.
BillsBiker Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Watching Ray Lewis at the end of the game last night, kneeling on the field - butt crack showing and dozens of photographers surrounding him in a circle - and then listening to him talk about God....well, it seemed a bit "over the top" to me. But then I started thinking maybe it's not all that different than what Tebow does, in terms of how Tim presents his faith in God on the field and in interviews. To me, my faith and my relationship with God are intensely personal and intimate, but I understand not everyone feels that way. So, I'm interested in people's opinions about their reaction to Ray Lewis' post-game actions/words on his faith, and how that compares to people's perceptions about Tim Tebow's actions/words on his faith. This is strictly related to how they present this to the public as part of their football (professional) personas. Most people like Tim and Ray are proud of the relationship they have God.. Ur's is intimate? What do you wanna give Jesus as Bee-Jay? Ur sick..
brenty Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 honestly does it matter? I am a Christian and who cares how someone does it. I can give you great examples of pastors that might be faking it also. As I always was told. Know one knows what is really inside your heart but God. I just think it gets rediculus when people mock someone for having their faith, like everyone did with tebow. And tebow has been doing that since he was in highschool so I don't think he is doing it for the spot light. He is a real guy who I got to meet when no cameras were on him.
Prickly Pete Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 honestly does it matter? I am a Christian and who cares how someone does it. I can give you great examples of pastors that might be faking it also. As I always was told. Know one knows what is really inside your heart but God. I just think it gets rediculus when people mock someone for having their faith, like everyone did with tebow. And tebow has been doing that since he was in highschool so I don't think he is doing it for the spot light. He is a real guy who I got to meet when no cameras were on him. It mainly matters to the people that want to watch the Super Bowl without having Ray Lewis's story, face, and antics thrown in our face all game long (at the very least).
Gugny Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 honestly does it matter? I am a Christian and who cares how someone does it. I can give you great examples of pastors that might be faking it also. As I always was told. Know one knows what is really inside your heart but God. I just think it gets rediculus when people mock someone for having their faith, like everyone did with tebow. And tebow has been doing that since he was in highschool so I don't think he is doing it for the spot light. He is a real guy who I got to meet when no cameras were on him. I'm not saying his prayers aren't real. I'm just saying he's putting on a show while doing it. And I'm also saying it is my belief that he's only praying for his own good fortune. I'm Christian, too, and no one knows when I'm praying. Even if they're right next to me. You know why? Because it's personal. It's not for everyone in the world to see, or to know about. He's a fake.
Cugalabanza Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Everybody's spewing off their opinions, so I'll give mine too. I reject religion. It's not thinking. It's not inquiry. It's not dialectic or reason or exploration or discovery or tolerance or respect for the mystery of the world. It's the cessation of spiritual thought. It's words in a book and listen to the man in the robe. The more organized and established the religion, the more stultifying. I think some people are helped by religion, but only as a result of lucky side effects like social contact, structure, accountability--it has nothing to do with the questions that the institution purports to address.
boyst Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) If anyone thinks that God hand picked them to do his work I have a problem with them. If a meat headed knuckle dragger on a football field believes God chose him to show the world how great He is then he is incredibly flawed. I am an atheist. I could give a crap what anyone thinks of religion. If you want to worship a toaster and it makes you a better person then good. I try my best not to pick on religious people but they Its ask for it and taunt atheists all the time. The whole debate is not who God likes more. It is who best represents what God is supposed to be. Tebow does it best, ironically, though he comes off as a huge phony. Lewis just comes off as an egomaniac narcissistic douche nozzle. Tebow, for the record is just a douche nozzle. But both are better then that little btch Tom Brady. Edited January 23, 2013 by jboyst62
apuszczalowski Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 I have no problem with sports people thanking God for having been blessed with skills and abilities well above the norm. I also have no problem with them thanking God for being in a situation where there personal dreams can be fulfilled(irrelevant to how self serving those dreams are). Both of these to me are similar to thanking God for the food on ones table or the roof over ones head. I do however have a problem with sports people thanking God in such a manner that implies that He has taken a specific interest in the outcome of the sporting event or athlete's success. The mildest view I can take on those athletes is that they are unwise. Less mild views would contain the words "hubris", "attention seeking", "self absorbed" and "misguided". How do you know that God doesn't sit in his recleiner in the living room every sunday in his Brady jersey cheering on his favorite team to win and affecting the outcome of the game while eating nachos and having a beer? If its not god affecting the outcome of the games, then who is it? My guess is Goodell or the networks. Is it just a coincidence that the Ravens came close to not making the playoffs, then go out and beat the Colts, the Broncos, and the Pats to get to the Superbowl in Lewis' last season for a matchup of Brother against brother HC's? There was no better scenario this season for the networks............
T master Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 First off being a christian especially in todays world means you will be persecuted in some way & i believe that is part of the fascination with Teabow, is to follow him & see if the bright lights of the NFL will take him down or expose him as a phony christian. Along with the guy being used incorrectly & not given a true chance to prove that he can be a good player for some one i think has really tested his metal ! But as the person he is he always comes out on top b/c god has his back !! I believe that Ray has real conviction but b/c of his announcement the media will grab any chance to sensationalize any little tid bit of that story, if it was any one else i don't think they huddle around him like that. Maybe 1 or 2 would pick up on it but b/c of his situation they will be all over any little thing he does. I just hope one day Teabow gets to prove all these haters wrong & he doesn't have to prove that he is Montannaesk but just shows them all he can be & is a good NFL QB !!
Keukasmallies Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 I wonder if there is a religious forum that gets tangled up in football stuff....?
Gene Frenkle Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 If anyone thinks that God hand picked them to do his work I have a problem with them. If a meat headed knuckle dragger on a football field believes God chose him to show the world how great He is then he is incredibly flawed. I am an atheist. I could give a crap what anyone thinks of religion. If you want to worship a toaster and it makes you a better person then good. I try my best not to pick on religious people but they Its ask for it and taunt atheists all the time. The whole debate is not who God likes more. It is who best represents what God is supposed to be. Tebow does it best, ironically, though he comes off as a huge phony. Lewis just comes off as an egomaniac narcissistic douche nozzle. Tebow, for the record is just a douche nozzle. But both are better then that little btch Tom Brady. Nice!
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