Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) This will surprise no one, but not a single media outlet in Boston is talking about it today. There's a post on "Business Insider" which is likely written by a Patriots shill, which calls Ravens Pollard "ironic" for ripping Brady for the kick and posits "it seems like a silly thing to get mad about". Um, no, Tony Manfred, it doesn't actually, especially when you see the whole slide in slow mo and see that Brady starts his slide by bringing his knees together, sees Reed coming, and appears to deliberately first raise, then completely extend one leg - in the direction of Reed's knee If that's not a fine on Marcia, the NFL brass should stand up before the Superbowl and publically announce it has a double standard. I suspect it was discussed at halftime and was of assistance to the Ravens in firing them up to whip Brady's a** Edited January 21, 2013 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Now that I can see the play again, I can definitely see grounds to call out Brady for a penalty. I don't think it would have done much as to how the game played out, but it still does piss me off that Brady never does seem to have anything negative stick to him. If you whiff him immediately after he's thrown the ball, it's a roughing the passer. When he kicks someone, he's defending himself. I can remember when he first came back from injury in the 2009 opener. When we were getting pressure and running the ball well the talk was not about how well the Bills were playing it was how poorly Brady was. When he got better, the announcers immediately jumped back on the wagon. After he threw 4 INTs in his loss to the Bills two years ago the talking heads went on about how he didn't "play bad" and that he was just "unlucky". In the pregame one of the guys (can't remember who) declared Brady the best QB ever. Now, as much as I bitterly hate the man, I have to admit he's good. But better than Joe Montanna? Better than Aaron Rodgers, Brett Farve, Drew Brees, and the Mannings? Maybe, but they constantly put him on a pedestal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Think people are overreacting here. He had a 300 pound monster barreling in on him. The chance of him getting seriously hurt from that move was substantially higher than the defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Think people are overreacting here. He had a 300 pound monster barreling in on him. The chance of him getting seriously hurt from that move was substantially higher than the defender. Ed Reed is most definitely not a 300 lb monster. He's the guy Marcia was targeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I wonder if Brady realized that he has cleats on the bottom of his shoes and that he could have really hurt Reed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Think people are overreacting here. He had a 300 pound monster barreling in on him. The chance of him getting seriously hurt from that move was substantially higher than the defender. Going for a planted knee on a sliding kick puts a large amount of momentum at a single point end while aiming for a vulnerable spot. Kicking out someone's knee of the ground is a serious self-defense move. If it connected it could have done serious harm. Edited January 21, 2013 by Whitewalker Merriman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) wait, did I miss bong hits?!?! Missed the free beer in another thread.. now I missed the bong hits.. For the record.. It definitely appears that Brady tried to kick Reed. It would be awesome if he got fined, but I won't hold my breath. Edited January 21, 2013 by MarkinSanDiego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I caught it briefly... It does look like Reed was trying to go over him and avoid him... Why would Brady stick the leg out... Oh, that is right... It is not how you look in victory, it is how you look in defeat that says it all... And the Pats* are the absolute worse @ it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I know I know ... seems like unsportmanlike conduct, but you are right, not technically a penalty. Yeah but if he contacted Reed's groin like he was trying to, or close to doing, it would certainly constitute unsportsmanlike conduct. Wasn't a huge deal made about a certain Lions DT for kicking Schaub in the groin???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Put it this way: In all of the years since the NFL put that slide rule in, have you ever seen a QB kick his leg up like that while already pretty much on the ground? I assume it has happened but I can't remember one. And second, should we just ignore the circumstances of when that play happened and just write it off as coincidence? Brady was frustrated by the call several plays earlier when he was ruled down, he was frustrated by the Ravens defense, and he was CLEARLY frustrated by both trying that run and the way the first half ended because of it. That can't be ignored. It didn't happen in a vacuum. IMO he was more pissed at himself than anything else, throwing a hissy fit because he knew it was a stupid thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 While Brady is a big, lumbering goon out there when he has to run, that kick was DEFINITELY INTENTIONAL and dirty. Should have been a penalty, but much like the "Defenseless Receiver" rule, it only applies to teams the Pats are playing AGAINST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Put it this way: In all of the years since the NFL put that slide rule in, have you ever seen a QB kick his leg up like that while already pretty much on the ground? I assume it has happened but I can't remember one. And second, should we just ignore the circumstances of when that play happened and just write it off as coincidence? Brady was frustrated by the call several plays earlier when he was ruled down, he was frustrated by the Ravens defense, and he was CLEARLY frustrated by both trying that run and the way the first half ended because of it. That can't be ignored. It didn't happen in a vacuum. IMO he was more pissed at himself than anything else, throwing a hissy fit because he knew it was a stupid thing to do. Yea I've been trying to think of a comp point. I've seen legs get high before but I don't know if they both got that high and connected with something.... It was definitely a ridiculous move by Brady - not trying to absolve him when I've pushed back some.... I'm just not sure if how this gets handled will actually be outside the norm or precedent as I'm not sure what the norm would be without a solid comp point or two. For those linking the kick rules - kind enough to link the qb slide section? I'm on my phone and don't want to scan the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Now that I can see the play again, I can definitely see grounds to call out Brady for a penalty. I don't think it would have done much as to how the game played out, but it still does piss me off that Brady never does seem to have anything negative stick to him. If you whiff him immediately after he's thrown the ball, it's a roughing the passer. When he kicks someone, he's defending himself. I can remember when he first came back from injury in the 2009 opener. When we were getting pressure and running the ball well the talk was not about how well the Bills were playing it was how poorly Brady was. When he got better, the announcers immediately jumped back on the wagon. After he threw 4 INTs in his loss to the Bills two years ago the talking heads went on about how he didn't "play bad" and that he was just "unlucky". In the pregame one of the guys (can't remember who) declared Brady the best QB ever. Now, as much as I bitterly hate the man, I have to admit he's good. But better than Joe Montanna? Better than Aaron Rodgers, Brett Farve, Drew Brees, and the Mannings? Maybe, but they constantly put him on a pedestal. Oh, you forgot when he fumbles the ball he is tucking the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) taking it to extremes? did you even read the piece i linked? scalia really believes the second amendment, in todays world, is still about forming a miltia so that a recurrence of 17th century english tyranny can't happen again (while admitting that small arms are unlikely to accomplish much in the way of change of a modern government). this is just ridiculous, as the writer points out. democracies, in the modern world, are almost never overturned through force. armed regime change hasn't recently happened through small arms but through powerful military weapons provided by sympathetic superpowers. yet scalia gets bogged down by the word "bear" to define what arms should be available to the public. joking or not, discussing the legality of shoulder fired weapons that can bring down planes on fox news is extreme...especially for a supreme court justice. kind of an odd place to find this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/21/tom-brady-slide-patriots-qb-kick_n_2520080.html but 70% of readers thought it was a dirty play (the other 30% are presumably from new england). the gif on the link is telling. that kick was meant to steal reeds family jewels and almost did. pretty acobatic jump from reed to save his prospects at future fatherhood. Edited January 21, 2013 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Ed Reed is most definitely not a 300 lb monster. He's the guy Marcia was targeting. What ever Reed's weight, he was barreling right at Brady. A collision, IMO, would have hurt Brady more than Reed. It was more stupid than dirty. That's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yea I've been trying to think of a comp point. I've seen legs get high before but I don't know if they both got that high and connected with something.... It was definitely a ridiculous move by Brady - not trying to absolve him when I've pushed back some.... I'm just not sure if how this gets handled will actually be outside the norm or precedent as I'm not sure what the norm would be without a solid comp point or two. For those linking the kick rules - kind enough to link the qb slide section? I'm on my phone and don't want to scan the rule book. Best I can find. http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/10_2012_BallInPlay_DeadBall_Scrimm.pdf Sliding refers to all players no just QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) What ever Reed's weight, he was barreling right at Brady. A collision, IMO, would have hurt Brady more than Reed. It was more stupid than dirty. That's my point. The only reason you slide is to avoid being hit. It's VERY rare that a defensive player just ignores the slide and drills the QB. And it certainly isn't going to happen by Ed Reed at the 10 yard line with a few seconds to go and no timeouts. There was pretty much zero chance of Brady being hit as soon as he started the slide. The slide is his defense against injury. There is no reason to put your foot up AND kick outward, twice bringing your leg higher rather than lower.That safety explanation just doesn't hold water IMO. Edited January 21, 2013 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Article 1: Prohibited Acts. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others: (a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent, even though no contact is made. Maybe my first post including all "Prohibited Acts" was too long. This is from the NFL Rule Book. Go back and watch the replay! Brady tried to kick Reed. It is an Unsportsmanlike conduct and thus an obvious penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) What ever Reed's weight, he was barreling right at Brady. A collision, IMO, would have hurt Brady more than Reed. It was more stupid than dirty. That's my point. We all get your point, it's just wrong. He tried and failed to make contact and tried to get him a second time as Reed jumped over the initial kick. Fact is in order to actually protect himself his body would have gone into a fetal position type of slide naturally. Edited January 21, 2013 by Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Ed Reed should have put Brady in the figure four leglock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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