Kelly the Dog Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 If it didn't help, then why would they bother breaking the rules to do it? Because there are 30 different things that a great coach like Bellichick does that he thinks may give him the tiniest advantage in the NFL which is notoriously a game of inches and where 1-2 plays can mean the difference between winning and losing. There is no question in my mind he thought it may give him a slight advantage. Otherwise there is no way he would do it. But there is little evidence or even theory as to being a significant, let alone the major or even sole reason they won, which is the way a lot of people act. That is insane. There hasn't even been any reason I have heard that is believable about how it helped them in the middle of a game. I think it is absolutely preposterous to believe in the middle of a play call and the ball being snapped Brady was told what the defense was going to be in his helmet and altered his call or play. People act like he knew every call and every defense and changed his play because of it and the Patriots succeeded because of it. Their offense and Brady himself wasn't even all that great his first couple three years.
NoSaint Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 If it didn't help, then why would they bother breaking the rules to do it? Did speeding on your way to work save you any significant time? Or did you end up catching the same lights and traffic anyway? Did it help you accomplish anything of note for the risk of the ticket? It might've been helpful to them, it might've been nothing other times.
JPPT1974 Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Pats dynasty is indeed crumbling out from under their feet!
BillsWatch Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Not long ago, the *Pats seemed to have one of the all-time great dynasties of all-time. Since then, they posted a perfect regular season, only to lose in the SB. Got caught in the spygate scandal. Lost another SB to the Giants and now have lost the AFC title game at home to the Ravens. How do you think history will judge the Belichick/Brady era? Will they win another SB? Discuss... Like Ray Lewis only the good will be remembered. Asterisk will be in very small print, never mentioned when talking about successes and any time mentioned will be called 'jealousy' by ball lickers.
Fan in Chicago Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Pats dynasty is indeed crumbling out from under their feet! Umm... they were the second seed in the AFC and just played in the AFC Championship game. A tad less dominant perhaps but premature to call it 'crumbling'. Like Ray Lewis only the good will be remembered. Asterisk will be in very small print, never mentioned when talking about successes and any time mentioned will be called 'jealousy' by ball lickers. Perhaps you were being sarcastic. But Pats* and the Lewis situation is quite unlike. Pats* were accused of cheating and Lewis of a lot worse. And if you were not sarcastic, huge scandals can indeed taint a person's reputation as in the case of Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong etc.
Captain Hindsight Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 Every year we read about how the Pats* are falling and tarnished and falling apart and every year they win the AFC East and 13 games. They are a damn fine football team and continue to be mostly dominant. People forget the Ravens are a good football team too
Ramius Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 The pats* organization has lost 4 super bowls. Not exactly world class, considering their only wins came due to cheating.
Nitro Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) To make a the AFC championship game is a significant accomplishment, being all those Super Bowls is even greater. They did it with 2 constants...Brady and Belichick. I don't like either one but begrudingly respect the amount of victories they have attained. I thinkthey will go down aa being very good but no where near a dynasty. Losses in big games, cheating, poor sportsmanship in victory and defeat have all tarnished the legacy. Edited January 22, 2013 by Nitro
Meathead Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 i just dont think they demonstrate being a great organization. they dont draft particularly well, they piss off their own players, and they certainly arent a classy organization i honestly only see one thing theyve done well, make the best sixth round pick in history. bradys a complete dick but hes the best ever, and THATS pretty much the entire reason theyve been good for so long the point about tuna is valid i suppose, but hes one of the few really great coaches, another total dick but a great coach, and they just happened to have him at the time. doesnt mean they were a great organization
WyoWind Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Not long ago, the *Pats seemed to have one of the all-time great dynasties of all-time. Since then, they posted a perfect regular season, only to lose in the SB. Got caught in the spygate scandal. Lost another SB to the Giants and now have lost the AFC title game at home to the Ravens. How do you think history will judge the Belichick/Brady era? Will they win another SB? Discuss... Dynasty defined: dynasty (ˈdɪnəstɪ) — n , pl -ties 1. a sequence of hereditary rulers: an Egyptian dynasty 2. any sequence of powerful leaders of the same family: the Kennedy dynasty I hate when anyone uses this word to describe a sports franchise who has experienced success. Sorry, but the Pats of the 2000s/2010s, the Niners of the 80s, and the Steelers of the 70s/80s just don't fit the mold. When I lived in CT for 2 long years around ignorant Pats fans, they were uttering this word after their second SB win. I, too, was pulling for the Pats in the SB with the Rams because of the Cinderella (aka Brady - who acts like Cinderella now) story. They were humble then, or at least Brady was. Now, they're just a bunch of punks with bad attitudes in winning and losing, especially losing.
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 They took less money because they were a great team, with great coaching, and it gave the player in his opinion the best chance of getting a ring. That argument helps the Patriots case, not hurts it. I think it hurts. Collusion should not exist. This isn't Walmart.
ChevyVanMiller Posted January 22, 2013 Author Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Dynasty defined: dynasty (ˈdɪnəstɪ) — n , pl -ties 1. a sequence of hereditary rulers: an Egyptian dynasty 2. any sequence of powerful leaders of the same family: the Kennedy dynasty I hate when anyone uses this word to describe a sports franchise who has experienced success. Sorry, but the Pats of the 2000s/2010s, the Niners of the 80s, and the Steelers of the 70s/80s just don't fit the mold. When I lived in CT for 2 long years around ignorant Pats fans, they were uttering this word after their second SB win. I, too, was pulling for the Pats in the SB with the Rams because of the Cinderella (aka Brady - who acts like Cinderella now) story. They were humble then, or at least Brady was. Now, they're just a bunch of punks with bad attitudes in winning and losing, especially losing. This is the definition of the word from the good people at Merriam-Webster. The second definition clearly makes the word properly used colloquially for a sports team. 1 : a succession of rulers of the same line of descent 2 : a powerful group or family that maintains its position for a considerable time Edited January 22, 2013 by ChevyVanMiller
JPS Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 The pats* organization has lost 4 super bowls. Not exactly world class, considering their only wins came due to cheating. That's the dumbest thing I ever read.
first_and_ten Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Umm... they were the second seed in the AFC and just played in the AFC Championship game. A tad less dominant perhaps but premature to call it 'crumbling'. Perhaps you were being sarcastic. But Pats* and the Lewis situation is quite unlike. Pats* were accused of cheating and Lewis of a lot worse. And if you were not sarcastic, huge scandals can indeed taint a person's reputation as in the case of Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong etc. Ray Lewis was not tried or convicted of " a lot worse". The Pats were not just accused of cheating, they were convicted of cheating. They were actually caught cheating. Big difference.
Dibs Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 That's the dumbest thing I ever read. lol...you must be new here.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) I would like yo see the same gratitude passed on to the Pats* Last night I watched the 2nd half of the game. On the Ravens 2nd TD drive, to go up 14-13, I noticed a very-obvious PI or illegal hit on EVERY SINGLE RAVENS PASS PLAY. There was only 1 flag thrown, when there should have been 8. Even the announcers mentioned how physical [read illegal] the corners were playing. Then Spikes smacked Pita right in the head - no call. It was total BS. And it was F'ing Awesome to see them score anyway. Then they steamrolled right over them. F'n sweet. The Putrids got away with non calls practically ALL season ... Karma's a bee och and they LOST because of it. Was it Brady's Karma Kick on his slide that started the Ravens off on their roll? (I'd like to think it so) That's the dumbest thing I ever read. What do they call teams that can't get 'er done in the SB or the Div Championship game?? LOSERS. Edited January 22, 2013 by BillsFan-4-Ever
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