Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 This guy in my opinion has the highest ceiling out of any QB in this draft. As of right now, he is rated as a second round pick but he may soar up the boards with a good Senior Bowl and Combine. Pros: Ideal size: 6'4 228lbs Awareness and athleticism to shift around in the pocket very well Strong arm with excellent deep ball accuracy Can scramble for extra yards when needed Can make throws on the run (Best in class) Good production despite dismal OL Very fluid delivery Tough to bring down Broke many school records and most of Big Ben's at Miami OH Cons: Occasionally forces passes Not the fastest delivery Will miss throws Poor Win/Loss record ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The best trait that sticks out with Dysert to me is his ability to be deadly accurate while throwing on the run. Dysert's stock would be a lot better if he had the supporting cast that Geno or Barkley had this past season. To be honest, Barkley, Wilson, Nassib etc, do not seem like they'll ever be more than great and I don't think they'll be pro-bowlers. Dysert is the one guy in this class that I could see having the potential to make the Pro Bowl year after year. He has all the unteachable tools a great quarterback must possess. With good coaching, and some time to develop, I feel as if Dysert could emerge as the best QB to come out of this class. I was a big fan of Russell Wilson last year at this time, and disliked Blaine Gabbert and Jimmy Clausen when they came out, so let's see if my success at evaluating QB's continues with my predictions on Dysert. I really hope the Bills spend a second on this guy. Highlight Package: https://www.youtube....66vdmIrQ Game Tape vs. Ohio State didn't he look bad against UB?
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Looks good on highlights but every one does. His arm seems live with a quick release and good legs, If they take him fine if not fine too. I have not seen him play so can't give an opinion.
Wagon Circler Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 The Ohio State game is not a highlight reel. It is every throw against a quality opponent. Most throws right on the money and dropped. didn't see too many passes sail either.
NewEra Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Anybody that has watched him play and knows what they're talking about know that he's terrible. He excels when putting zip on the ball across the middle. That's it. He can't make throws along the sidelines. He sails the ball on a lot of throws. I wouldn't touch him before the fourth. . He's terrible. Lol. After reading your posts for the last few weeks, its my feeling that you believe you should be the GM. You seem to "know" a lot. I love Dysert. Good mobility, decent arm, great throwing on the run, smart kid that knows how to play the QB position IMO. I want him in round 2. If we take him in round 1, I'm still happy. The Ohio State game is not a highlight reel. It is every throw against a quality opponent. Most throws right on the money and dropped. didn't see too many passes sail either. I call him terrible to go the exact opposite of those who mentioned him in the same breath as Jim Kelly above and a few others. He's not a good pro prospect, but he's got potential as a good backup and/or a long-term project. We don't have that convenience. Glennon can make ANY throw. ANY throw you want him to make, he can make it. I'm not saying he WILL make it EVERY time, but he's completely capable. He worked with some of the worst talent I've ever seen at the D-1 level from the WR position this season and still excelled. He's clutch. He made a lot of big throws and led an NC State team to wins when they shouldn't have been winning. He's got GREAT pocket awareness. Outside-the-pocket mobility wise, I'd put him near the bottom of the starters group around someone like Matt Ryan, but his in-pocket mobility is phenomenal. Glennons arm is like a rocket. His his feet are like the stand that holds the rocket in place. Stuck in the ground. If we took him, I'd be cool with it. It wouldn't surprise me to see teams blitz him endlessly. His mobility really scares me. Bad
Phlegm Alley Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I've watched film of the top QBs in this draft, and Dysert is the one who stood out the most to me. I wouldn't compare him to Big Ben because he is more mobile than he was. I would compare him to a more athletic Jim Kelly. He has tremendous touch on his deep balls and he has the ability to move effectively in the pocket and keep his eyes down field are a tremendous plus.
PaattMaann Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) didn't he look bad against UB? he threw for 250 yards and had 3 TDs, also ran for 42 yards (because his line is terrible and he was forced to run) - not to mention he led a last minute TD drive to tie up the game, only to have his special teams blow it on the ensuing kickoff - I didnt think he looked too bad? I mean, they lost the game to UB - but that had more to do with terrible team around Dysert - he didnt make mistakes...his team is just bad... Edited January 14, 2013 by PaattMaann
SBUffalo Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 . He's terrible. Lol. After reading your posts for the last few weeks, its my feeling that you believe you should be the GM. You seem to "know" a lot. I love Dysert. Good mobility, decent arm, great throwing on the run, smart kid that knows how to play the QB position IMO. I want him in round 2. If we take him in round 1, I'm still happy. It's an online discussion forum dipshit. Everybody here expresses their opinions, as you did about Dysert. So because I disagree with your opinion I'm a know-it-all? Be quiet fool.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 It's an online discussion forum dipshit. Everybody here expresses their opinions, as you did about Dysert. So because I disagree with your opinion I'm a know-it-all? Be quiet fool. The difference is you present your opinion as fact. "Anybody who knows what they're talking about knows he's terrible." You're saying it's a FACT that he's terrible and anyone with a differing opinion is wrong. The post you quoted on the other hand has no absolute statements like that, as it's presented as an opinion.
VanCity Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I only caught him in the Boise State game this year, but was very impressed with some of the plays he made, despite being forced out of the pocket and pressured on most every play. I wouldn't scream at the TV if he were our pick. Still not certain if he is "sure-thing" enough to go in the first, but if it's the decision, we all need to go with it because the Bills have had too many missed QB opportunities in the draft the last 5 years. Lookin' forward to the Senior Bowl.
SRivRoc Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 As I have said before I think dysert is the top QB in this draft, we need to take him to move forward, then take Tyler bray in the fourth or fifth and well be set
thebandit27 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I like Dysert as a 3rd round guy. Good athlete and strong arm. What bothers me about him is that he can throw over the top and outside routes, but he loses accuracy when he needs to drive the ball inside on slants and dig routes. I noticed that many times while watching him play. I've watched film of the top QBs in this draft, and Dysert is the one who stood out the most to me. I wouldn't compare him to Big Ben because he is more mobile than he was. I would compare him to a more athletic Jim Kelly. He has tremendous touch on his deep balls and he has the ability to move effectively in the pocket and keep his eyes down field are a tremendous plus. Not trying to be a nit-picker, but what do you mean when you say you've "watched film"? Did you watch their games? Youtube highlights? Or do you actually have access to coaches' film...like all-22?
bananathumb Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Sounds perfect, but he didn't play for Syracuse.
mabden Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Pros: Ideal size: 6'4 228lbs Awareness and athleticism to shift around in the pocket very well Strong arm with excellent deep ball accuracy Can scramble for extra yards when needed Can make throws on the run (Best in class) Good production despite dismal OL Very fluid delivery Tough to bring down ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The best trait that sticks out with Dysert to me is his ability to be deadly accurate while throwing on the run. If memory serves, Loseman was credited with this "talent."
Phlegm Alley Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Not trying to be a nit-picker, but what do you mean when you say you've "watched film"? Did you watch their games? Youtube highlights? Or do you actually have access to coaches' film...like all-22? The film I've watched is just what is available on Youtube, like the individual game breakdowns they have for each QB prospect. I am by no means a scout. This is all just general observation.
TheBuffaloBills Posted January 14, 2013 Author Posted January 14, 2013 The only reason he broke any of Big Ben's records (which was basically only yards) was because he played 4 seasons vs. Ben's 3. Even so, Ben still had more TD passes, and a QB rating almost 20 points higher. Oh, and Big Bens last season they went 13-1, Dysert (as a senior) went 4-8. I'm sorry, but there is no way that a QB who goes 4-8 in the MAC, regardless of the talent on the rest of the team, is going to be a successful NFL QB. Any comparison to Big Ben is idiotic. That's not true. Did you watch the game tape against Ohio State and see how bad the Oline was and how many drops the WR's had? You could've put an above average NFL QB in for Miami OH(who would dominate at the college level) and I still guarantee they would have lost. Yeah, Dysert had some bad plays towards the end of the game, but there is not a single college QB that could've lead that team to a victory. Back in 2003, Miami's D was not nearly as bad as this past season's one. The most PA for three games in 2003 was 37,31 and 30. Last year the most points against in three games were 56,52, and 49. Dysert has zero control on how well his defense plays, so why should that be a knock on him? No matter who is behind the center, when you run a spread offense with WR's that are terrible across the middle and can't catch for anything (I swear there was at least ten drops in the OSU game) along with a Defense that allows an average of 35 PA per game, you're not going to have a good record.
Mark80 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) That's not true. Did you watch the game tape against Ohio State and see how bad the Oline was and how many drops the WR's had? You could've put an above average NFL QB in for Miami OH(who would dominate at the college level) and I still guarantee they would have lost. Yeah, Dysert had some bad plays towards the end of the game, but there is not a single college QB that could've lead that team to a victory. Back in 2003, Miami's D was not nearly as bad as this past season's one. The most PA for three games in 2003 was 37,31 and 30. Last year the most points against in three games were 56,52, and 49. Dysert has zero control on how well his defense plays, so why should that be a knock on him? No matter who is behind the center, when you run a spread offense with WR's that are terrible across the middle and can't catch for anything (I swear there was at least ten drops in the OSU game) along with a Defense that allows an average of 35 PA per game, you're not going to have a good record. Can you reference a single losing MAC QB that had any success in the NFL? I sure as heck can't. While this may be true of Ohio State, you are referencing a top 10 college football team. I'm more talking about the losses to Bowling Green (12 points scored), UB, Kent State, Central Michigan (16 points scored), and Ball State. I'm not looking for an average NFL QB, I'm looking for a guy that's going to lead us to the promise land and if you put any of the current guys in the league that could (even during their college days) they would not be 3-5 in the MAC, no way. Plus, look at what he did do against the good teams he played (Ohio State, Boise State, Cincy) all either OK outings and a pretty poor effort vs. Boise State. Take away one game against possibly the worst team in the nation, the 1-11 (0-8 MAC) Akron team, and his TD/INT is 19/12 and less than 3,000 yards. No way is that NFL quality. While I'm not completely opposed to the guy, by any means, I just feel that a 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd is wasted on way too big of a question mark and would much rather he be the 2nd QB we drafted if at all. Edited January 14, 2013 by Mark80
Billy in 4C Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 That's not true. Did you watch the game tape against Ohio State and see how bad the Oline was and how many drops the WR's had? You could've put an above average NFL QB in for Miami OH(who would dominate at the college level) and I still guarantee they would have lost. Yeah, Dysert had some bad plays towards the end of the game, but there is not a single college QB that could've lead that team to a victory. Back in 2003, Miami's D was not nearly as bad as this past season's one. The most PA for three games in 2003 was 37,31 and 30. Last year the most points against in three games were 56,52, and 49. Dysert has zero control on how well his defense plays, so why should that be a knock on him? No matter who is behind the center, when you run a spread offense with WR's that are terrible across the middle and can't catch for anything (I swear there was at least ten drops in the OSU game) along with a Defense that allows an average of 35 PA per game, you're not going to have a good record. Good points on the defense but overall I disagree. I went to a bunch of Miami Ohio games when Big Ben was on the team and he completely dominated. Dude was hitting receivers in stride 40 yards down the field and nobody could match up with his toughness. I haven't watched as much of Dysert but from what I have, it's not a close comparison. Big Ben was a top 5 pick that got pushed back in the draft because he was from a small school. This kid is a 3-4th rounder that is getting pushed up the boards because of Big Ben's success. Different story.
NewEra Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 It's an online discussion forum dipshit. Everybody here expresses their opinions, as you did about Dysert. So because I disagree with your opinion I'm a know-it-all? Be quiet fool. Not at all. Even when I agree with your opinions, you convey them with such a smug sense of superiority that I just nod my head. Maybe it's just my opinion, but I can't imagine others not seeing it in the same light. It has nothing to do with what you're actually saying. Just how you say it. Fool. Lol..
Billsrhody Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I really like his arm. His receivers seemed very below average in the 2 tapes you included, so its saying something that he broke records and was successful as he was. I think I like him more than Nassib, about level with Barkley.
PaattMaann Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Not at all. Even when I agree with your opinions, you convey them with such a smug sense of superiority that I just nod my head. Maybe it's just my opinion, but I can't imagine others not seeing it in the same light. It has nothing to do with what you're actually saying. Just how you say it. Fool. Lol.. I agree with this statement, and have silently thought the same...
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