benderbender Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 They're screwed. A sad day when a Bills fan says that about a team.
Jason423 Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Hi everyone. I'm the person who runs the Nyjetscap site that tires to cover the cap for the AFC East teams and I thought I would jump in on this one for a bit. The Jets dont have an easy out with the cap in terms of being ultra active in free agency, unless of course they decide they want players like Holmes on the team even longer, which I think could be a real possibility given the coaches comments about him. That being said the Jets cap has alot of built in flexibility based on the way they structure their contracts. I wrote something in it today under the articles section and am actually writing something else tonight that clarifies it a bit more. Its a bit different than the Bills cap system in which they try to match their overall cash spend close to their overall cap figure. The Bills use a number of different mechanisms to do it (for instance they are one of the few teams that does signing bonus, option bonus, roster bonus at start of league year for the first three years or so of most of their players, most only use one or at most two of those mechanisms) buts its essetially matching cap figures with their budget. The Jets are close to a cash/cap strategy in that the high cash spending mimics the cap hits. For example Holmes cap figure this year is $12.5 million with a cash payout of over $11 million. Its not the route of teams like the Panthers who have Charles Johnson getting paid $7 million with a $13 million cap hit. Because of that the Jets have significant cap flexibility to trade players and carry minimal dead money (assuming they can find a trade partner which I doubt they can for anyone except Cromartie) or to begin to resturcture and spread out cap hits like the Steelers and Giants do every year. Of course that just puts off the next "danger" zone of cap years for another 2 years, but you hope the cap rises more by that point in time. If personally recommend the Jets to do it with Sanchez to defer most of the dead cap to 2014 when its more reasonable to cut him. Sanchez does have an awful contract and there is no sugarcoating that one. I personally dont believe the cap story as a reason why the team is having a long GM search. As mob16151 pointed out above the Panthers got a GM and you cant even compare the two cap situations no matter what figure you hear in the press. The Panthers have players who are unmoveable and have no real avenue to restructure because of the awful job their prior GM did in negotiating those deals. Those are stories floated by people who were not going to get the job. If anything the Jets cap this year would give them an added year of security since they need it to get the books in order. IMO, what scares people off is the fact that Rex has to stay on board as the coach and that the team has an owner that meddles in the football operations. You dont want to float those kind of stories because you never want to completely burn a bridge which makes the cap story more convienient. Just my two cents....
MattM Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 The only one worth a crap is Harris. He is worth taking a good look at. He's also under contract and there's no way they release him....
BRAWNDO Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 We have their DC already, now lets get the best player they release. That's a plan
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Hi everyone. I'm the person who runs the Nyjetscap site that tires to cover the cap for the AFC East teams and I thought I would jump in on this one for a bit. The Jets dont have an easy out with the cap in terms of being ultra active in free agency, unless of course they decide they want players like Holmes on the team even longer, which I think could be a real possibility given the coaches comments about him. That being said the Jets cap has alot of built in flexibility based on the way they structure their contracts. I wrote something in it today under the articles section and am actually writing something else tonight that clarifies it a bit more. Its a bit different than the Bills cap system in which they try to match their overall cash spend close to their overall cap figure. The Bills use a number of different mechanisms to do it (for instance they are one of the few teams that does signing bonus, option bonus, roster bonus at start of league year for the first three years or so of most of their players, most only use one or at most two of those mechanisms) buts its essetially matching cap figures with their budget. The Jets are close to a cash/cap strategy in that the high cash spending mimics the cap hits. For example Holmes cap figure this year is $12.5 million with a cash payout of over $11 million. Its not the route of teams like the Panthers who have Charles Johnson getting paid $7 million with a $13 million cap hit. Because of that the Jets have significant cap flexibility to trade players and carry minimal dead money (assuming they can find a trade partner which I doubt they can for anyone except Cromartie) or to begin to resturcture and spread out cap hits like the Steelers and Giants do every year. Of course that just puts off the next "danger" zone of cap years for another 2 years, but you hope the cap rises more by that point in time. If personally recommend the Jets to do it with Sanchez to defer most of the dead cap to 2014 when its more reasonable to cut him. Sanchez does have an awful contract and there is no sugarcoating that one. I personally dont believe the cap story as a reason why the team is having a long GM search. As mob16151 pointed out above the Panthers got a GM and you cant even compare the two cap situations no matter what figure you hear in the press. The Panthers have players who are unmoveable and have no real avenue to restructure because of the awful job their prior GM did in negotiating those deals. Those are stories floated by people who were not going to get the job. If anything the Jets cap this year would give them an added year of security since they need it to get the books in order. IMO, what scares people off is the fact that Rex has to stay on board as the coach and that the team has an owner that meddles in the football operations. You dont want to float those kind of stories because you never want to completely burn a bridge which makes the cap story more convienient. Just my two cents.... Jason. Great work on your site. I can say unequivocally that you're the best thing I can think of when the New York Jets are brought up. Keep up the awesome work and thanks for stopping by to give us an insiders look at the Jets cap situation. While I still hate the Jets, I'm reminded that they have some great fans, just like any NFL team. Cheers
Jason423 Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Jason. Great work on your site. I can say unequivocally that you're the best thing I can think of when the New York Jets are brought up. Keep up the awesome work and thanks for stopping by to give us an insiders look at the Jets cap situation. While I still hate the Jets, I'm reminded that they have some great fans, just like any NFL team. Cheers Thanks.
boyst Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) Hi everyone. I'm the person who runs the Nyjetscap site that tires to cover the cap for the AFC East teams and I thought I would jump in on this one for a bit. The Jets dont have an easy out with the cap in terms of being ultra active in free agency, unless of course they decide they want players like Holmes on the team even longer, which I think could be a real possibility given the coaches comments about him. That being said the Jets cap has alot of built in flexibility based on the way they structure their contracts. I wrote something in it today under the articles section and am actually writing something else tonight that clarifies it a bit more. Its a bit different than the Bills cap system in which they try to match their overall cash spend close to their overall cap figure. The Bills use a number of different mechanisms to do it (for instance they are one of the few teams that does signing bonus, option bonus, roster bonus at start of league year for the first three years or so of most of their players, most only use one or at most two of those mechanisms) buts its essetially matching cap figures with their budget. The Jets are close to a cash/cap strategy in that the high cash spending mimics the cap hits. For example Holmes cap figure this year is $12.5 million with a cash payout of over $11 million. Its not the route of teams like the Panthers who have Charles Johnson getting paid $7 million with a $13 million cap hit. Because of that the Jets have significant cap flexibility to trade players and carry minimal dead money (assuming they can find a trade partner which I doubt they can for anyone except Cromartie) or to begin to resturcture and spread out cap hits like the Steelers and Giants do every year. Of course that just puts off the next "danger" zone of cap years for another 2 years, but you hope the cap rises more by that point in time. If personally recommend the Jets to do it with Sanchez to defer most of the dead cap to 2014 when its more reasonable to cut him. Sanchez does have an awful contract and there is no sugarcoating that one. I personally dont believe the cap story as a reason why the team is having a long GM search. As mob16151 pointed out above the Panthers got a GM and you cant even compare the two cap situations no matter what figure you hear in the press. The Panthers have players who are unmoveable and have no real avenue to restructure because of the awful job their prior GM did in negotiating those deals. Those are stories floated by people who were not going to get the job. If anything the Jets cap this year would give them an added year of security since they need it to get the books in order. IMO, what scares people off is the fact that Rex has to stay on board as the coach and that the team has an owner that meddles in the football operations. You dont want to float those kind of stories because you never want to completely burn a bridge which makes the cap story more convienient. Just my two cents.... glad ya joined buddy! (actually, looked like you had joined a while back, so glad you came back!) Edited January 12, 2013 by jboyst62
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) This is why I'm glad the Bills mostly follow the cash-to-cap philosophy. Of course, another negative to the Jets GM job besides the salary cap problem is the status of Rex Ryan. Having an untouchable head-coach limits the GM's power and probability of success. OH God Seriously. What fan would ever say...I'm glad my team follows a cash to the cap philosophy? That BS has won how many Championships?? Which teams? That type of thinking is propaganda spewed by teams (Bills) trying to make money and not win. What SuperBowl Winning teams are applying the Cash to the Cap "philosophy"? What team has used that philosophy to end up 13 years with no playofffs?? Winner winner Chicken dinner. Edited January 12, 2013 by Cville Bills
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 No cash to the cap team has ever won a Super Bowl? I didn't know that.
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) No cash to the cap team has ever won a Super Bowl? I didn't know that. I'm sorry. The list includes the following..... Please add.... Edited January 12, 2013 by Cville Bills
Malazan Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 I'm sorry. The list includes the following..... Please add.... Tampa Bay Arizona
John from Riverside Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Bottom line The jets have enjoyed recent success..... We havent.....in over a DECADE........ They spent money to do that and now they are paying for it....but at least the jets were relevent recentlly
Nanker Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Jason. Great work on your site. I can say unequivocally that you're the best thing I can think of when the New York Jets are brought up. Keep up the awesome work and thanks for stopping by to give us an insiders look at the Jets cap situation. While I still hate the Jets, I'm reminded that they have some great fans, just like any NFL team. Cheers +1 Nice read about some of the complexities from a business point of view of assembling a competitive NFL team. It's so much easier in Madden.
ALF Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 The Jets are such a train wreck that if we don't finish ahead of them next season, "forget about it" . I also doubt the Cowboys will be better next season.
JM57 Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Slightly off topic but IMO the Jets biggest recent problem (and something that helped lead to the cap issue) is drafting. Look at their top picks, like first and second rounders, for the last few years. Aside from Revis, how many of them have turned out to players worth their draft status?
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4738179/clayton-pats-will-plenty-of-13-cap-space "In his weekly mailbag on ESPN.com, NFL senior writer John Clayton had a list of every NFL's salary cap space for 2013. The list included the carryover for each team from 2012 to 2013. According to Clayton, the Patriots will carry over $5.6 million and currently have $18.6 million in cap space. This sets the Patriots up nicely. Only seven teams currently have more space. When I see those numbers, the first thought that comes to mind is that the Patriots are well-managed. Even with quarterback Tom Brady accounting for a $22 million salary-cap charge, there is room to maneuver. Another way to look at it is that if the Patriots can't reach a multi-year agreement with receiver Wes Welker, and ultimately assign him a franchise tag at $11.4 million, the numbers become a bit tighter. The final point is that salary cap space is fluid and can always change with roster transactions. But the way the Patriots have operated under Bill Belichick is that they have attempted to avoid situations where they have to release players to clear salary cap space, and their financial discipline has served them well."
sweatpantsjoe Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 The Jets cap number scares off potential GMs from making a 7 figure salary and the chance to live in New York City? Yeah.......sure.
truth on hold Posted January 12, 2013 Author Posted January 12, 2013 The Jets cap number scares off potential GMs from making a 7 figure salary and the chance to live in New York City? Yeah.......sure. You're acting like anyone they'd want doesnt have options. Which means they also have a reputation they want to protect and not hop aboard a sinking ship and share in the blame for a declining situation with limited options.
Captain Hindsight Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 The Jets cap number scares off potential GMs from making a 7 figure salary and the chance to live in New York City? Yeah.......sure. Ya because these guys have no where else to go and only really one have one shot to make it work
Punch Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 What SuperBowl Winning teams are applying the Cash to the Cap "philosophy"? I was under the impression that most teams actually use a cash-to-cap philosophy? Marv was criticized for it because it was not then a common known phrase and it made the Bills appear cheap.
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