1billsfan Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Brees is shorter than both. GO BILLS!!! Brees is fast, agile and has a great arm. Barkley and Nassib have none of those things. You can be lacking in one or two prototypical franchise QB attributes. But you can't haver the combination that Barkley and Nassib have and expect anything more than a backup QB.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 weaker arm dome QB, lol, brilliant Truth fool.
K-9 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 weak comparisons abound. Aaron Rogers and Tony Romo are from Cali as well FTR. and the king of all kings Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. And don't forget John Elway, another Cali QB. Pretty sure he sucked. GO BILLS!!! Brees is fast, agile and has a great arm. Barkley and Nassib have none of those things. You can be lacking in one or two prototypical franchise QB attributes. But you can't haver the combination that Barkley and Nassib have and expect anything more than a backup QB. I don't disagree with any of it. I just thought it was funny that you mention "short and stocky" as drawbacks and then cite a QB that's shorter than both. GO BILLS!!!
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 He had 5 TDs in 2011 and 6 TDs with an INT in 2012 vs. Syracuse. That's 11 TDs, 1 pick vs. Syracuse the last two years. GO BILLS!!! Thats right.
RyanC883 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I would NOT trade up in this draft. If Barkley or Gino is gone, fine, neither one is worth trading up for. That means that a very good OT, OLB, ILB is available at #8. We can use #8 to trade down and get someone like Olgetree, or take him there, and use our saved picks that we didn't trade to plug other holes. There is so much depth in this draft at other positions of need besides QB that it would be a huge mistake to forge those players by trading up to grab Gino or Barkley.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Nassib is garbage, reminds me of Fitz with his inconsistent arm. He doesn't put any touch on the ball. Nailed it. No deep ball threat,like Fitz. He`s also slower than a crippled snail. The D will have a short field to defend ,because his lack of a deep ball. Also playing in a DOME,is alot different then in the Ralph.
RyanC883 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 If it comes down to Glennon or nASSib . I~ll take Glennon in a heartbeat over the slower ,shorter,weaker arm DOME QB If it comes down to this, we royally messed something up. I'd take Dysert from Miami Ohio. or the QB from Duke. or the BPA.
chris heff Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I don't know where they got those numbers from, but they're completely off. He threw for less than 200 yards but 6 tds. http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/480322/matt-barkley And again, what is up with people not wanting a QB at #8 but then trading back in the 1st to get him? It makes zero sense. Why risk losing him? And if you don't fell comfortable taking him at #8, why are you drafting him i nthe 1st place? I agree, the Bills are going to draft a QB, if they guy they want is there at 8 you take him. You can't risk waiting or trying to make a trade. QB is the most important position on the team. To hell with value and what draft pundits think.
VABills Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. Warm weather QBs in cold cities doing just fine. COACHING is the issue Brady is from Michigan.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Brady is from Michigan. And where did he grow up ? ,Reb.
VABills Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 And where did he grow up ? ,Reb. Who cares? The discussion was about Cali boys playing in the north. Brady played in the north during college. You know what's funny is a lot of Michigan qbs have the same rep has USC qbs. Maybe Barkley would be the one who breaks the mold like Brasy did.
The Bunk Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Another California QB? Because the Bills have done sooo good with them as of late i.e Rob Johnson and Trent Edwards Tom Brady says hey. This whole "California QB's" thing is so absurd. I don't care if the guy is from mars, if he can play he can play.
cosmo Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Its completely ridiculous how many people are so sure there are no "franchise" or starting quarterbacks in this draft just because there's no Luck, RG3 or Cam. No one thought Kaepernick or Russell Wilson were going to be and look how they turned out. You put a guy in the right system and the right environment to succeed and you hope for the best. That's all we can do in our situation unless you think we should wait to go 2-14 and draft one in the first couple picks but as far as I can tell there probably won't be any sure fire studs next year either. We have to take a QB somewhere in the first two rounds and see what Marrone can do with him. I'm not saying he's Jim Harbaugh or anything but that is the main reason the 49ers went from 6-10 to the Super Bowl two years later. Personally I hope its either Barkley or Geno but if Marrone wants to go with Nassib or whoever else he likes I'd be totally behind that too.
zow2 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Its completely ridiculous how many people are so sure there are no "franchise" or starting quarterbacks in this draft just because there's no Luck, RG3 or Cam. No one thought Kaepernick or Russell Wilson were going to be and look how they turned out. You put a guy in the right system and the right environment to succeed and you hope for the best. That's all we can do in our situation unless you think we should wait to go 2-14 and draft one in the first couple picks but as far as I can tell there probably won't be any sure fire studs next year either. We have to take a QB somewhere in the first two rounds and see what Marrone can do with him. I'm not saying he's Jim Harbaugh or anything but that is the main reason the 49ers went from 6-10 to the Super Bowl two years later. Personally I hope its either Barkley or Geno but if Marrone wants to go with Nassib or whoever else he likes I'd be totally behind that too. For every Kaepernick and Russell Wilson, there are double the number of Gabbert, Locker, Tannehill and Ponder types... That's what we're dealing with this year. Cam, RG3 and Luck were absolutely "bust proof" and we can't compare them to the 2013 group... but I agree, the Bills need to take a QB or two in this draft and roll the dice.
Dibs Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 It is my guess that the QB the bills want is a second tier guy because you can't count on getting a Smith or Barkley at 8. So would they cut Fitz if there was a chance the QB they want most might not be there, I'm not sure. God I hope not. The chances that a 2nd tier guy becomes an Elite pro are miniscule.......and if he manages to live up to realistic expectations(also extremely low chance) and becomes a solid NFL starter, we will be stuck with mediocrity for another 6-10 years. When it comes to drafting QBs, history has shown that if you don't "swing for the fences" you have bugger all chance of finding the QB of your dreams.
1billsfan Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) God I hope not. The chances that a 2nd tier guy becomes an Elite pro are miniscule.......and if he manages to live up to realistic expectations(also extremely low chance) and becomes a solid NFL starter, we will be stuck with mediocrity for another 6-10 years. When it comes to drafting QBs, history has shown that if you don't "swing for the fences" you have bugger all chance of finding the QB of your dreams. Recent history: "Swing for the fence" non-slam dunk picks (meaning Newton, Luck and RGIII) on QB in 1st rd: 2011 Tennessee - Locker 2011 Jacksonville - Gabbert 2011 Minnesota - Ponder 2012 Miami - Tannehill Second tier rd 2 and 3 QB picks: 2011 Cincinatti - Dalton 2011 San Francisco - Kaepernick 2011 New England - Mallett 2012 Denver - Osweiler 2012 Seattle - Wilson 2012 Philadelphia - Foles The Bills would do well to stay calm at #8 (do not give picks for the non-slam dunk Geno Smith), and go BPA there...then pick either Manuel or Scott with their second round pick. I'm assuming that Geno Smith will be gone by #8. If Geno's there then I wouldn't mind if the Bills picked him. Just don't give up any picks because the risk of losing out on great players with that move isn't worth it. It's a double penalty if Smith is a bust. This is what the Niners did in 2011 when Alex Smith was STILL known as a bust...they ignored the Lockers, Gabberts and Ponders and drafted Aldon Smith in the first, then Kaepernick in the second. Edited March 15, 2013 by 1billsfan
zow2 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Well Kaepernick and Wilson's performances ensure that no QB with a "2nd tier" label is going to slip too far down the draft. Any QB worth a damn will be picked in rounds 1 or 2. In my opinion, Mallett could be starting somewhere right now. I liked him alot coming out of college. I bet he isn't loving the way his career is starting out....especially seeing these other young QBs getting starts all over the league.
dave mcbride Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Recent history: "Swing for the fence" non-slam dunk picks (meaning Newton, Luck and RGIII) on QB in 1st rd: 2011 Tennessee - Locker 2011 Jacksonville - Gabbert 2011 Minnesota - Ponder 2012 Miami - Tannehill Second tier rd 2 and 3 QB picks: 2011 Cincinatti - Dalton 2011 San Francisco - Kaepernick 2011 New England - Mallett 2012 Denver - Osweiler 2012 Seattle - Wilson 2012 Philadelphia - Foles The Bills would do well to stay clam at #8 (do not give picks for the non-slam dunk Geno Smith), and go BPA there...then pick either Manuel or Scott with their second round pick. I'm assuming that Geno Smith will be gone by #8. If Geno's there then I wouldn't mind if the Bills picked him. Just don't give up any picks because the risk of losing out on great players with that move isn't worth it. It's a double penalty if Smith is a bust. This is what the Niners did in 2011 when Alex Smith was STILL known as a bust...they ignored the Lockers, Gabberts and Ponders and drafted Aldon Smith in the first, then Kaepernick in the second. Tannehill looked pretty solid by the end of the year. Why are people knocking him? He looks like he might end up being pretty good.
billsrcursed Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Tannehill looked pretty solid by the end of the year. Why are people knocking him? He looks like he might end up being pretty good. Ya, throwing him in with Gabbert or Ponder is a reach, and I'm being nice. Goes to show the disparity in QB talent evaluation here at GM headquarters.... I mean 2billsdrive. lol
Dibs Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Recent history: "Swing for the fence" non-slam dunk picks (meaning Newton, Luck and RGIII) on QB in 1st rd: 2011 Tennessee - Locker 2011 Jacksonville - Gabbert 2011 Minnesota - Ponder 2012 Miami - Tannehill Second tier rd 2 and 3 QB picks: 2011 Cincinatti - Dalton 2011 San Francisco - Kaepernick 2011 New England - Mallett 2012 Denver - Osweiler 2012 Seattle - Wilson 2012 Philadelphia - Foles The Bills would do well to stay clam at #8 (do not give picks for the non-slam dunk Geno Smith), and go BPA there...then pick either Manuel or Scott with their second round pick. I'm assuming that Geno Smith will be gone by #8. If Geno's there then I wouldn't mind if the Bills picked him. Just don't give up any picks because the risk of losing out on great players with that move isn't worth it. It's a double penalty if Smith is a bust. This is what the Niners did in 2011 when Alex Smith was STILL known as a bust...they ignored the Lockers, Gabberts and Ponders and drafted Aldon Smith in the first, then Kaepernick in the second. To be clear, the term "2nd teir" that I used was in reference to auburnbillsbacker's definitions.....of which I made assumptions with. His 2nd tier is actually what I would call 3rd tier. Also....to me, a team should only be interested in obtaining an Elite QB as history has shown that without one, there is very little chance to ever win the SB In my book there are only 3 Tiers of QB that are drafted. Tier 1 are the QB prospects with great potential. These are the QBs who get selected in the top 4 of the draft. The success rate for these QBs to become Elite is about 21%. Tier 2 are the QB prospects that show a glimpse(or two) that they could become elite. The NFL scouts virtually always recognize this and these QBs are subsequently virtually always selected in the 5-36 range. The rough success rate for these QBs to become elite is about 8%. Tier 3 are all of the other QBs. Wilson may or may not become an elite QB......but outside of him there has only been one QB(Brady) drafted after the 36 pick that became an elite QB(since 1985, where I went back to in my study). The rough success rate is about a half of a percent(0.5%) The short of it is.......any QB who we may select at the #41 spot is likely to have been assessed correctly by the NFL scouts as having no chance of becoming an elite QB......and if we want a reasonable chance to obtain an elite QB we minimally have to leapfrog ahead and select him at the top of the 2nd round.
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