BobChalmers Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Where is Geno? Wasn't he previously around 12? Geno Smith was the first QB at #23 in the last Kiper big board. Only in the Stadium Wall Kiper has Nassib as his #5 Senior QB Glennon is the only QB in his first round big board. I'd take Ogletree at 8. Nassib in the 2nd Yeah - I think that's kind of the ideal fit.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Why the hell would we take yet another 4-3 DE when we have Anderson, M Williams and Moore? we have much bigger problems to fill. ANALYTICS Kiper! ANALYTICS! But seriously I would much rather be looking at Ogletree or Teo.
mannc Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 If after a thorough evaluation the organization believes that Tyler Wilson, Glennon, Barkley etc are the best qb cadidates who are capable of being a starter in this league then why wait and take the risk of losing their favored qb prospect? The mistake Buddy has made in the past is that he concentrated on player rankings rather than considering position importance. He has admitted that if you are targeting a qb you like that it is smarter to pull the trigger earlier rather than later. Whatever other position needs the Bills have (LB, WR) can be adequately filled with the next two rounds. Also, free agency can fill some holes, especially at the LB position. But without a doubt it is going to be difficult getting a quality qb from the free agent market. In two years what position selection is this year's draft will have the greatest impact for the team? Without question it is going to be the qb selection. If that is the case then why not guarantee that you will be in position to take the highest rated qb left on your board with your early first round selection. In this case it is smarter drafting a qb a little bit early than it is risking losing your preferred qb if you wait. There is a lot of speculation that the Bills would consider Nassib in the second round. The other teams know that the Bills staff have had a relationship with him at Syracuse. If some other teams also find him an appealing prospect they might leap ahead of us and snatch him from our grasp. It's happened before, and it could happen again. By no means am I suggesting taking Nassib with our early first round pick because his talent level doesn't warrant taking him at that point. But if there is a qb on the board who has a first round grade and that the Bills like then it behooves them to make the selection. I suppose you're right. I just don't trust Buddy to chose the right QB.
Nitro Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Process is still early but it still looks like a weak draft class for QBs like it was in 2007. The Bills are committed to draft a QB which limits the opportunity to move in the draft without having to giving up alot. Glennon is my choice because of his physical upside and production.
FLFan Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 Don't be surprised if Nassib is available in the 2nd round. It seems like the Bills are the only team that holds him that high. DE or LB in the first round is the right pick. Need to stop the run first before we can think offense. I suspect that if the Bills do not take a QB at number 8, a distinct possibility, they will need to trade back into the first round to assure themselves of getting the guy they want. They cannot sit back passively and wait for a QB to fall to them. Too many teams with QB needs ahead of them. In all likelihood, but the time of the draft, you will see QB prospects coming up the board. If they escape the top 8 without their target getting picked, they damn well better be agressive on moving up, perhaps way up. I have no problem with them taking a QB they want at the expense of more draft choices.
papazoid Posted January 9, 2013 Author Posted January 9, 2013 #16 - Johnathan Hankins * - DT #17 - Tyler Eifert * - TE #18 - Ezekiel Ansah - DE #19 - Dion Jordan - DE #20 - John Jenkins - DT #21 - Kenny Vaccaro - S #22 - Mike Glennon - QB #23 - Sam Montgomery * - DE #24 - Sharrif Floyd * - DT #25 - Alex Okafor - DE
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I'd take Ogletree at 8. Nassib in the 2nd This.
JohnC Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 I suppose you're right. I just don't trust Buddy to chose the right QB. ] You bring up a very intriquing question: Who is going to have the final say on the picks? There is no doubt that it is a collaborative effort. But if there are disagreements who will have the final say? After this draft I suspect that Whaley will be in charge, but I can't say for sure in this draft. A while back on WGR Nix was asked if he liked any qbs in last year's draft. He said yes, but refused to name the qbs. Some people speculated that he was referring to Russell Wilson and Cousins. He later stated that if you like a particular qb it is better to draft that qb prospect a round earlier than later. I got the impression from his comments that he regretted not pulling the trigger sooner on one of these qbs. Two years ago Nix had an opportunity to draft Kaepernick or Dalton in the second round. Instead, he selected Aaron Williams, a CB. Last year Nix was in position to draft either Wilson or Cousins in the third round. Instead, he moved up in the round to select T.J. Graham. How much differently would we be juding Nix's draft performances if he already had a credible qb prospect on the roster?
NoSaint Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Why the hell would we take yet another 4-3 DE when we have Anderson, M Williams and Moore? we have much bigger problems to fill. ANALYTICS Kiper! ANALYTICS! But seriously I would much rather be looking at Ogletree or Teo. Big board, not mock.
The Poojer Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 in no way making any comparisons...my dad suffered it for years, had a procedure done last year to alleviate the pain and discomfort...took a couple months off of golf but is now back to links pain free and difference was unreal...at 72 he's painfree for the first time in years....granted he's not going up against football players... its a real tough spot. can you imagine being so physically gifted as to play at that level but have a condition that leaves you so vulnerable any time youre hit.
JohnC Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) I suspect that if the Bills do not take a QB at number 8, a distinct possibility, they will need to trade back into the first round to assure themselves of getting the guy they want. They cannot sit back passively and wait for a QB to fall to them. Too many teams with QB needs ahead of them. In all likelihood, but the time of the draft, you will see QB prospects coming up the board. If they escape the top 8 without their target getting picked, they damn well better be agressive on moving up, perhaps way up. I have no problem with them taking a QB they want at the expense of more draft choices. The problem with your scenario is that other teams also have the capability of maneuvering up to draft ahead of us to take a qb we covet. That is why I prefer taking the plunge on a qb selection with our first pick. If you review last year's draft you will notice that qbs such as Tannehill and Locker were taken higher than their player rankings. That same process will happen again this year. Edited January 10, 2013 by JohnC
The Poojer Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 i've seen that scenario in a couple early mocks...that would suck ass Imagine the Jets taking him right before our pick in Rd. 2... BA
fansince88 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Where is Geno? Wasn't he previously around 12? did you not see his last performance?
papazoid Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 ] You bring up a very intriquing question: Who is going to have the final say on the picks? There is no doubt that it is a collaborative effort. But if there are disagreements who will have the final say? After this draft I suspect that Whaley will be in charge, but I can't say for sure in this draft. A while back on WGR Nix was asked if he liked any qbs in last year's draft. He said yes, but refused to name the qbs. Some people speculated that he was referring to Russell Wilson and Cousins. He later stated that if you like a particular qb it is better to draft that qb prospect a round earlier than later. I got the impression from his comments that he regretted not pulling the trigger sooner on one of these qbs. Two years ago Nix had an opportunity to draft Kaepernick or Dalton in the second round. Instead, he selected Aaron Williams, a CB. Last year Nix was in position to draft either Wilson or Cousins in the third round. Instead, he moved up in the round to select T.J. Graham. How much differently would we be juding Nix's draft performances if he already had a credible qb prospect on the roster? Buddy Nix has FINAL say for this draft......if and when whaley becomes GM remains to be played out.... having said that, its very possible that Russ Brandon wants a QB and has steared the "team" consensus in that direction. buddy has already tipped their hand....they are drafting a QB early.
FLFan Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 The problem with your scenario is that other teams also have the capability of maneuvering up to draft ahead of us to take a qb we covet. That is why I prefer taking the plunge on a qb selection with our first pick. If you review last year's draft you will notice that qbs such as Tannehill and Locker were taken higher than their player rankings. That same process will happen again this year. I agree. My main point is that Bills cannot afford to be passive even if it means taking the guy they want way ahead of "projections". I would be fine with taking QB at 8 if that is they guy they think they need, Mel Kiper and Todd McShay be damned. They need to get the guy they want.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 It will depend on which way Ogletree approaches the combine. Would love to see him show up around 250 and still have the same speed and agility. Then he would easily be the best option for inside backer for the Bills. He is a converted SS. Kid can cover as good as any LB coming out. Only knock is he has not been playing LB forever and thus is learning how to run stuff. I would love for the Bills to take him in the first. Not to many guys come along that are 3 down LB's. meaning you can leave them in for run or pass.
JinWPB Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Lets see, trying to remember..... who was it that said; " If you like him and thinks he's your guy you don't wait around ,you take him."
Astrobot Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 I would happily take the following at #8. #1- Jarvis Jones * - OLB #2- Damontre Moore * - DE #4- Star Lotulelei - DT #5- Chance Warmack - G #6- Manti Te'o - LB #8- Barkevious Mingo * - DE #10- Dee Milliner * - CB This is a good list. I'd add Ogletree.
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