so, anybody else get boned by Obama

[KD in CA]

Anytime you see a $600bn budget, you can probably cut 10% without affecting the efficiency of the services. But please don't posture the reluctance to cut DoD as a GOP gambit. Let's recall the BRAC exercise and how many DEMs were kicking and screaming about base closures in their districts?

 

How about a grand compromise. Agree to cut DoD by 10% in exchange for addressing future SS & healthcare costs.

 

OMG -- now you're ATTACKING SENIORS!!!!

[Dante]

I'm not sure why you're vitriol is aimed at me seeing as my second post was my idea for modifying it as I see it also as something that should be run differently.

 

I will point out that you PLAN to work for 15 more years. Disability or loss of job could affect that greatly. I am happy for you that you are so well off that you have no use for this program. However what happens if you outlive your savings? What happens if your significant other passes away after a lengthy battle with something that racks up medical bills? What happens if the money you thought would be enough, isn't? You will be very happy to fall back on SS.

 

The reality is though that many people aren't as financially well off as you are. Many in your generation will rely on it to survive. The choice without SS would be death or a serious burden on their children. Why are you so against something that will help people out? I get hating programs and spending that is wasteful but to me helping people live quality lives isn't wasteful spending.

 

 

You took that from what he said?!?!? I know I don't spend much time on PPP but it amazes me that people think one person and 1/3 of the branch of government can be to blame for everything! (here is where I will open a can of worms) I like your comrade barb, it was funny, however there are SOME socialist programs that can be good and beneficial to society. Socialized medicine being #1 on that list.

 

Idiotic. Watered down socialized medical is only good for the dregs that don't want to work or want someone else to cover their ass. If you've ever been sick before and I mean really sick you would appreciate private health care. You would gladly pay the premiums. Now, since prices have skyrocketed because of Obamacare, it,s becomes a little less clear cut. But of course, that's the real intent of Obamacare.

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[GG]

OMG -- now you're ATTACKING SENIORS!!!!

 

That's just the start. Wait 'til I move to throwing them off the cliff.

[section122]

Idiotic. Watered down socialized medical is only good for the dregs that don't want to work or want someone else to cover their ass. If you've ever been sick before and I mean really sick you would appreciate private health care. You would gladly pay the premiums. Now, since prices have skyrocketed because of Obamacare, it,s becomes a little less clear cut. But of course, that's the real intent of Obamacare.

Have you ever benefited from socialized medicine? Beyond the "dregs that don't want to work or have someone else cover their ass" everyone benefits.

 

I have been sick to the point of being intubated because I couldn't breathe on my own. Went to my physician who wouldn't take a walk in, scheduled an appt only to have him have a nurse see me, called me back in (another co pay) to say there was nothing wrong with me and I would be fine with Tylenol and Aspirin, I explained to him that it wasn't working and he rudely suggested I go to the er if it was that serious, I did and spent 3 days in the hospital. With insurance it cost me over $4,000 for just the hospital part. I didn't appreciate the private health care or paying my premiums.

 

I also had a medical issue while on vacation in Italy. Called the doctor, got in the same day, got treatment and a couple extra vials of the medicine in case of another issue, total cost $0. My sister lives in Italy and comes home for a month in the summer, the entire time she is extremely nervous about her kids and their safety bc she doesn't have health insurance - it is unnecessary with socialized medicine.

 

I've seen all sides of it. Have you? In my experience many (not all) doctors care about seeing as many patients as they can to bill as much as they can - not the quality of care they give. When the idea of being a "patient factory" is removed the care improves. Instead of racing patient to patient they spend time. People that are doctors are so because they want to help not because it will make them rich.

 

Wouldn't you be happier not paying excellus, mvp, etc, it seems like my rates keep going up while the quality of coverage is going down.

[Alaska Darin]

Anytime you see a $600bn budget, you can probably cut 10% without affecting the efficiency of the services. But please don't posture the reluctance to cut DoD as a GOP gambit. Let's recall the BRAC exercise and how many DEMs were kicking and screaming about base closures in their districts?

Not just base closures. We've got a bunch of weapons systems and other gear that we're still buying but don't need/want because we can't retool the production places in a timely manner.

[Tux of Borg]

 

Have you ever benefited from socialized medicine? Beyond the "dregs that don't want to work or have someone else cover their ass" everyone benefits.

 

I have been sick to the point of being intubated because I couldn't breathe on my own. Went to my physician who wouldn't take a walk in, scheduled an appt only to have him have a nurse see me, called me back in (another co pay) to say there was nothing wrong with me and I would be fine with Tylenol and Aspirin, I explained to him that it wasn't working and he rudely suggested I go to the er if it was that serious, I did and spent 3 days in the hospital. With insurance it cost me over $4,000 for just the hospital part. I didn't appreciate the private health care or paying my premiums.

 

I also had a medical issue while on vacation in Italy. Called the doctor, got in the same day, got treatment and a couple extra vials of the medicine in case of another issue, total cost $0. My sister lives in Italy and comes home for a month in the summer, the entire time she is extremely nervous about her kids and their safety bc she doesn't have health insurance - it is unnecessary with socialized medicine.

 

I've seen all sides of it. Have you? In my experience many (not all) doctors care about seeing as many patients as they can to bill as much as they can - not the quality of care they give. When the idea of being a "patient factory" is removed the care improves. Instead of racing patient to patient they spend time. People that are doctors are so because they want to help not because it will make them rich.

 

Wouldn't you be happier not paying excellus, mvp, etc, it seems like my rates keep going up while the quality of coverage is going down.

 

I was just talking about this with a group of Canadian born hockey players in my league. This is what they were saying:

 

1). Yes, you be waiting for a hip replacement, but you won't be turned away for a heart attack so something serious.

2). One guy had an ankle replacement in Canada by a top surgeon, Another time he had to go to the ER in the US to get 4 stitches by a Nurse Practitoner. He paid more for the 4 stitches here in the US than the surgery in Canada.

3). They blame the high prices here on the lobbyist and everyone having their hand in the cookie jar.

[Alaska Darin]

They blame the high prices here on the lobbyist and everyone having their hand in the cookie jar.

ObamaCare didn't address anything that makes health care expensive.

[Doc]

ObamaCare didn't address anything that makes health care expensive.

Yep. The biggest hand is now in everyone's cookie jars.

[3rdnlng]

I was just talking about this with a group of Canadian born hockey players in my league. This is what they were saying:

 

1). Yes, you be waiting for a hip replacement, but you won't be turned away for a heart attack so something serious.

2). One guy had an ankle replacement in Canada by a top surgeon, Another time he had to go to the ER in the US to get 4 stitches by a Nurse Practitoner. He paid more for the 4 stitches here in the US than the surgery in Canada.

3). They blame the high prices here on the lobbyist and everyone having their hand in the cookie jar.

 

So, a copay in Canada (for the socialized medicine that you are paying taxes for) is less than an emergency visit in the U.S. where the guy didn't have any insurance? That's not comparing apples to oranges, it's comparing grapes to pumpkins.

[meazza]

I was just talking about this with a group of Canadian born hockey players in my league. This is what they were saying:

 

1). Yes, you be waiting for a hip replacement, but you won't be turned away for a heart attack so something serious.

 

You also might have to wait for surgery for breast cancer.

 

http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Cancer+patients+told+shop+around/7543579/story.html

 

2). One guy had an ankle replacement in Canada by a top surgeon, Another time he had to go to the ER in the US to get 4 stitches by a Nurse Practitoner. He paid more for the 4 stitches here in the US than the surgery in Canada.

 

How much did said individual pay in tax dollars for access to a top surgeon? Here's a hint, a !@#$ing lot.

 

 

3). They blame the high prices here on the lobbyist and everyone having their hand in the cookie jar.

 

Yes because a lot of Canadians don't have a clue what the actual differences are between Canadian and US healthcare.

[Tux of Borg]

 

 

You also might have to wait for surgery for breast cancer.

 

http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Cancer+patients+told+shop+around/7543579/story.html

 

 

 

How much did said individual pay in tax dollars for access to a top surgeon? Here's a hint, a !@#$ing lot.

 

 

 

 

Yes because a lot of Canadians don't have a clue what the actual differences are between Canadian and US healthcare.

 

Right now the homeless, the poor, and illegal immigrants get free health care in America. Why not tax it and let them contriubte something instead of the cost shifting that goes on now.

 

 

[TheMadCap]

at the risk of reviving an old thread, I had a look at my pay stub from January, and compared it to the one from December. My federal taxes actually went down by about 3 bucks. But SS and medicare increased by about 50-60%. So I guess Obama did actually lower my taxes. Crafty...

[fjl2nd]

But I thought raising taxes was how we could balance the budget? Or is that budget stuff not important anymore now that the election is over?

 

Raising taxes for me has nothing to do with balancing the budget. Tax policy should be used to close the giant inequality of wealth and income.

[KD in CA]

Raising taxes for me has nothing to do with balancing the budget. Tax policy should be used to close the giant inequality of wealth and income.

How do you close the giant inequality between people that produce and create massive benefit and wealth and people who produce and create almost none?

[Nanker]

How do you close the giant inequality between people that produce and create massive benefit and wealth and people who produce and create almost none?

Simple. Anyone that shows up at a Occupy This or That rally gets $1,000 cash that's confiscated from the "fat cats".

Who are the "fat cats" you say, why anyone that has more than $1,000.

[fjl2nd]

How do you close the giant inequality between people that produce and create massive benefit and wealth and people who produce and create almost none?

 

Biased much??

 

Those people with all the money don't create all that wealth on their own. Workers do some of that.

 

A simple fact is that high inequality of wealth/incomes has an adverse effect on the economy. Keep squeezing out that last ounce of profit until there is none left...

 

Simple. Anyone that shows up at a Occupy This or That rally gets $1,000 cash that's confiscated from the "fat cats".

Who are the "fat cats" you say, why anyone that has more than $1,000.

 

So are we just pretending the gap is just between "fat cats" and occupy people?? Wow.

 

We're talking about blue collar workers, teachers, or anyone else in the middle class. Their wages have been stagnant of declining for years. It's a real problem but you keep living in fantasy land.

[IDBillzFan]

Those people with all the money don't create all that wealth on their own. Workers do some of that.

 

I'm with you. Someone should force those companies to pay those employees money and stop forcing them to work at the same job regardless of how much they hate it!!!

 

How did the world get to the point where we made all employees slaves????

[fjl2nd]

I'm with you. Someone should force those companies to pay those employees money and stop forcing them to work at the same job regardless of how much they hate it!!!

 

How did the world get to the point where we made all employees slaves????

 

Sick.

 

Now, you're just knocking people for doing whatever they have to do to get by. If you haven't noticed, jobs aren't plentiful and ones that are available don't pay well. How you could chastise workers for wanting a bigger piece of the pie is beyond me. Keep sticking up for big business, you're fighting the good fight!

 

I think when some of you get all ideological over this crap, you fail to realize real people are !@#$ing losing in the system we've set up. Earnings and profits are soaring and we see no return. Minimum wage is still $3 under what it should be adjusted for inflation. There is no more upward mobility in the job market. These problems are real, but keep cracking "jokes".

[GG]

Sick.

 

Now, you're just knocking people for doing whatever they have to do to get by. If you haven't noticed, jobs aren't plentiful and ones that are available don't pay well. How you could chastise workers for wanting a bigger piece of the pie is beyond me. Keep sticking up for big business, you're fighting the good fight!

 

I think when some of you get all ideological over this crap, you fail to realize real people are !@#$ing losing in the system we've set up. Earnings and profits are soaring and we see no return. Minimum wage is still $3 under what it should be adjusted for inflation. There is no more upward mobility in the job market. These problems are real, but keep cracking "jokes".

 

Yes, browbeating employers has worked wonders for economies.

 

BTW, you're in the wrong thread. You should be posting your dribble in the "Victim" thread.

[B-Man]

It is absolutely none of my (or your) business, what a private company pays its administrators or employees.

 

 

The taxation system should be for raising revenue for necessary services to run the government,

 

NOT to "even things out" !!!!!

 

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