thebandit27 Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 So they better get an elite QB to make this chump look like a champ, or it's 14 straight years without playoffs and more fans foaming at the mouth. Since this seems to be the thesis of your diatribe, I need to know: for what coach would this NOT be the case?
tipopticxe Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Lovie as DC and Assistant HC would make me very happy.
The Poojer Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 and lovie can bring urlacher with him... Lovie as DC and Assistant HC would make me very happy.
xsoldier54 Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 First off, I don't think anyone here claims to see into the future. Doug Marrone may very well become the greatest Bills HC ever. However, I'm extremely skeptical and as I've said, uninspired. You want to B word about people bitching about the pick, go ahead, but it's not like we don't have our reasons. A 25-25 record and two "Pinstripe Bowl" wins? Yeah that really compares to a close loss to Stanford from being in the BCS National Championship game; a 45-7 record; and stomping one of the most successful coaches in the Fiesta Bowl. Or how about someone fired after a 10-6 season in the NFL [hey it's hard to win in the NFL] (BTW our last double digit winning season? yeah 1999), 5 winning seasons out of 9, only one season worse than 7-9; a SB appearance with a terrible QB named Rex Grossman. Hell, even the other guy, who I hate BTW, had a SB appearance on his resume (though I maintain both winning seasons a product of a Hall of Fame QB and not the coach). When we were all told that money is no object and nobody was off limits, they trotted out Chang Gailey and said "he's won everywhere he's been." A lot of people knew then and understood, his credentials didn't warrant the post (he was unemployed for crying out loud), and he went 16-42. Awesome. So what can you say about Doug Marrone? He's got a middling record everywhere he's been? Syracuse may be better than they were four years ago, but you cannot even call them a powerhouse in the Big East let alone all of NCAAF. Or compare that experience to being able to rebuild an NFL franchise. "So and so says he's a good coach and that'd he'll be an NFL coach someday", yeah people say a lot of good things about their friends. Football nepotism is rampant, what'd you expect them to say, "I know the guy, he sucks." Marv still says Jauron shouldn't have been fired and was the best choice for us. If Marrone was such a good coach in the NFL, why didn't he even get a chance to call plays in the NFL? Oh yeah, they had Sean Payton. To me, the choice stinks of a marketing ploy, another one of Brandon's regionalization efforts. And if they pick Nassib, he better be as good as Peyton Manning or else it just looks even more like a joke. So if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. I, however, am not going to give them that. I see a 5 win or less season coming up, and don't tell me they need time to rebuild. We've seen first year HCs and first year QBs in the playoffs. If we get to the playoffs with this new coach and Fitzpatrick (or some other middling QB), I'll eat crow, but I don't expect to be pulling any feathers out of my teeth anytime soon. So they better get an elite QB to make this chump look like a champ, or it's 14 straight years without playoffs and more fans foaming at the mouth. This "chump" has real NFL coaching experience. How much does Chip Kelly have? I like the fact that he went back to college to get some HC experience with the goal of returning to the NFL as a HC. All coaches come with risk. It is all relative and a matter of opinion until they actually start coaching in games. Personally I believe it was a good hire. If we didn't hire him, Cleveland or SD would have.
26CornerBlitz Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 First off, I don't think anyone here claims to see into the future. Doug Marrone may very well become the greatest Bills HC ever. However, I'm extremely skeptical and as I've said, uninspired. You want to B word about people bitching about the pick, go ahead, but it's not like we don't have our reasons. A 25-25 record and two "Pinstripe Bowl" wins? Yeah that really compares to a close loss to Stanford from being in the BCS National Championship game; a 45-7 record; and stomping one of the most successful coaches in the Fiesta Bowl. Or how about someone fired after a 10-6 season in the NFL [hey it's hard to win in the NFL] (BTW our last double digit winning season? yeah 1999), 5 winning seasons out of 9, only one season worse than 7-9; a SB appearance with a terrible QB named Rex Grossman. Hell, even the other guy, who I hate BTW, had a SB appearance on his resume (though I maintain both winning seasons a product of a Hall of Fame QB and not the coach). When we were all told that money is no object and nobody was off limits, they trotted out Chang Gailey and said "he's won everywhere he's been." A lot of people knew then and understood, his credentials didn't warrant the post (he was unemployed for crying out loud), and he went 16-42. Awesome. So what can you say about Doug Marrone? He's got a middling record everywhere he's been? Syracuse may be better than they were four years ago, but you cannot even call them a powerhouse in the Big East let alone all of NCAAF. Or compare that experience to being able to rebuild an NFL franchise. "So and so says he's a good coach and that'd he'll be an NFL coach someday", yeah people say a lot of good things about their friends. Football nepotism is rampant, what'd you expect them to say, "I know the guy, he sucks." Marv still says Jauron shouldn't have been fired and was the best choice for us. If Marrone was such a good coach in the NFL, why didn't he even get a chance to call plays in the NFL? Oh yeah, they had Sean Payton. To me, the choice stinks of a marketing ploy, another one of Brandon's regionalization efforts. And if they pick Nassib, he better be as good as Peyton Manning or else it just looks even more like a joke. So if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. I, however, am not going to give them that. I see a 5 win or less season coming up, and don't tell me they need time to rebuild. We've seen first year HCs and first year QBs in the playoffs. If we get to the playoffs with this new coach and Fitzpatrick (or some other middling QB), I'll eat crow, but I don't expect to be pulling any feathers out of my teeth anytime soon. So they better get an elite QB to make this chump look like a champ, or it's 14 straight years without playoffs and more fans foaming at the mouth. Chip Kelly was handed the keys to a brand new Mercedes Benz 500. Doug Marrone was handed the keys to a junker AMC Pacer that was flooded and burned out. Simply no comparison. Marrone deserves a chance given the achievement on his resume.
John from Riverside Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Only problem kelly is that Horton runs a 3-4
NickelCity Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 I wonder how the board will react if Lovie is not named DC.
Beerball Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Disagree. A sales & Marketing guy needs to expand his base. Thats what they do in the NFL small markets. I don't have a link but didn't marone at the end of the season PUT his name out there saying he's available? Wouldn't that partly cause the interest in him. Because on the surface, his record isn't all that impressive, and I understand he took over a turd of a program. I could see Brandon seeing a hire Kind of in the bills market as a huge plus, in selling inventory. Which is what he's paid to do among other things. A salesman never stops selling. Did he hire him because brandon is from Syracuse? No way. But money is the bottom line and nobody understands that better than the bills newly minted president. So, in your opinion hiring Marrone expands the Bills base (sells more tickets) than bringing in Smith or another experienced NFL head coach. Interesting perspective. I guess you have a lower opinion of the intelligence of your average football fan than I do.
Malazan Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 First off, I don't think anyone here claims to see into the future. Doug Marrone may very well become the greatest Bills HC ever. However, I'm extremely skeptical and as I've said, uninspired. You want to B word about people bitching about the pick, go ahead, but it's not like we don't have our reasons. A 25-25 record and two "Pinstripe Bowl" wins? Yeah that really compares to a close loss to Stanford from being in the BCS National Championship game; a 45-7 record; and stomping one of the most successful coaches in the Fiesta Bowl. Or how about someone fired after a 10-6 season in the NFL [hey it's hard to win in the NFL] (BTW our last double digit winning season? yeah 1999), 5 winning seasons out of 9, only one season worse than 7-9; a SB appearance with a terrible QB named Rex Grossman. Hell, even the other guy, who I hate BTW, had a SB appearance on his resume (though I maintain both winning seasons a product of a Hall of Fame QB and not the coach). When we were all told that money is no object and nobody was off limits, they trotted out Chang Gailey and said "he's won everywhere he's been." A lot of people knew then and understood, his credentials didn't warrant the post (he was unemployed for crying out loud), and he went 16-42. Awesome. So what can you say about Doug Marrone? He's got a middling record everywhere he's been? Syracuse may be better than they were four years ago, but you cannot even call them a powerhouse in the Big East let alone all of NCAAF. Or compare that experience to being able to rebuild an NFL franchise. "So and so says he's a good coach and that'd he'll be an NFL coach someday", yeah people say a lot of good things about their friends. Football nepotism is rampant, what'd you expect them to say, "I know the guy, he sucks." Marv still says Jauron shouldn't have been fired and was the best choice for us. If Marrone was such a good coach in the NFL, why didn't he even get a chance to call plays in the NFL? Oh yeah, they had Sean Payton. To me, the choice stinks of a marketing ploy, another one of Brandon's regionalization efforts. And if they pick Nassib, he better be as good as Peyton Manning or else it just looks even more like a joke. So if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. I, however, am not going to give them that. I see a 5 win or less season coming up, and don't tell me they need time to rebuild. We've seen first year HCs and first year QBs in the playoffs. If we get to the playoffs with this new coach and Fitzpatrick (or some other middling QB), I'll eat crow, but I don't expect to be pulling any feathers out of my teeth anytime soon. So they better get an elite QB to make this chump look like a champ, or it's 14 straight years without playoffs and more fans foaming at the mouth. ahah, love the sarcasm!
The Poojer Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 ahh...but if we bring in Lovie as DC/AHC we all of a sudden expand the fan base out to Chicago....see...its marketing brilliance!!! So, in your opinion hiring Marrone expands the Bills base (sells more tickets) than bringing in Smith or another experienced NFL head coach. Interesting perspective. I guess you have a lower opinion of the intelligence of your average football fan than I do.
ThrowingFitz Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) I am not happy with this choice at all. This makes no sense to me. This is a college coach with very little success. Now instead of the Bills simply putting the pieces together and creating a winning team next year... I have a feeling we are in another three year rebuilding process. I may be wrong but this just doesnt seem to be in line with changing the culture at OBD. 25 wins and 25 losses at the college level... I hope I'm wrong though. Edited January 6, 2013 by ThrowingFitz
Malazan Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 ahh...but if we bring in Lovie as DC/AHC we all of a sudden expand the fan base out to Chicago....see...its marketing brilliance!!! Damn, Brandon is a marketing genius.
Lurker Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Interesting reading if you haven't seen this. Like the attention to detail. Almost Belichick-ish... http://www.dailyoran...tailed-strategy (link from ESPN comments section of Walker's blog) Impressive read. He seems to have the experience and intangibles that have been the missing ingredient in the last few hires...
QCity Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 This guy better knock it out of the park with his OC and DC selections.
Astrobot Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 My comments on Twitter this morning, most recent first:: Marrone's D-back coach at 'Cuse was Donnie Henderson, and Gary Gibbs, DC with Marrone when at Saints ,also a possibility #Bills "agressively" looking for DC means coach not in playoff hunt. Hello Lovie, Keith Butler, Jon Hoke, Chuck Cecil During Marrone's O-Line Coach years (02-05), they were run-first team that featured guy named Curtis Martin. #Bills might look at 'Cuse DC Scott Shafer. Attitude is dictate to the offense, attack, be unpredictable, aggressive and proactive Syracuse players in NFL Draft: QB Ryan Nassib RD2; WR Alec Lemon RD3-4; LT Justin Pugh RD2-3; SS Shamarko Thomas RD3 In Marrone's last year as Saints OC, Drew Brees ended season 16 yards short of Dan Marino's single-season record of 5084 total passing yards Marrone's first game as OC was first post-Katrina home game for Saints in Superdome. They blew out the Falcons 23-3, went on to playoff win. Marrone's buddies, Saints' OC Pete Carmichael and RunGame Coord. Aaron Kromer, would make nice interviews. Marrone's RB coach should come to #Bills. He's Tyrone Wheatley, Giants and Raiders RB. He's been on staff since 2010 Syracuse, Boise State and Oregon have had most road victories during the Marrone era. #Bills, not so much. #BillsMafia Marrone also amped up Saints offense with Brees, then in his 5th year: more plays, attempts, completions, yds, pass rating. When Marrone was with Saints he had Bush (6'0, 4.3 speed), now he has Spiller (5'11", 4.3 speed) with #Bills #BillsMafia RussBrandon will save $$$ moving Marrone to #Bills. U-Haul 150 mi West on I-90. Sink savings into orange dome for the Ralph. When Marrone was with Saints ('06-'08), Saints set records for Passing Yards in a game and Rushing Touchdowns in a season--still stand today Marrone was told he was new #Bills HC at 2 a.m. --Marrone was up, lifting NHL lockout. Drew Brees told Scott Pitoniak he “loved working with Marrone because [he] knew offenses inside and out” http://bit.ly/TTUUln Marrone hire regionalizes #Bills further to the East. First Rochester for TCamp, now 'Cuse. Carmichael's running game man at Saints, Aaron Kromer, is also available. He coached OL (Madden OL award 2 of last 3 yrs) We won't know about OC Carmichael until after Tues.--he int's for the Bears HC job #Bills should look at Pete Carmichael of #Saints for OC. League-high 43 TD, > 5,000 yds for the 3rd time
BRH Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 Interesting reading if you haven't seen this. Like the attention to detail. Almost Belichick-ish... http://www.dailyorange.com/2009/04/the-plan-doug-marrone-prepared-for-his-return-to-syracuse-with-a-detailed-strategy (link from ESPN comments section of Walker's blog) I remember Greggo had binders and a plan too.
The Poojer Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 good stuff...what's your twitter name, i'd like to follow you... My comments on Twitter this morning, most recent first:: Marrone's D-back coach at 'Cuse was Donnie Henderson, and Gary Gibbs, DC with Marrone when at Saints ,also a possibility #Bills "agressively" looking for DC means coach not in playoff hunt. Hello Lovie, Keith Butler, Jon Hoke, Chuck Cecil During Marrone's O-Line Coach years (02-05), they were run-first team that featured guy named Curtis Martin. #Bills might look at 'Cuse DC Scott Shafer. Attitude is dictate to the offense, attack, be unpredictable, aggressive and proactive Syracuse players in NFL Draft: QB Ryan Nassib RD2; WR Alec Lemon RD3-4; LT Justin Pugh RD2-3; SS Shamarko Thomas RD3 In Marrone's last year as Saints OC, Drew Brees ended season 16 yards short of Dan Marino's single-season record of 5084 total passing yards Marrone's first game as OC was first post-Katrina home game for Saints in Superdome. They blew out the Falcons 23-3, went on to playoff win. Marrone's buddies, Saints' OC Pete Carmichael and RunGame Coord. Aaron Kromer, would make nice interviews. Marrone's RB coach should come to #Bills. He's Tyrone Wheatley, Giants and Raiders RB. He's been on staff since 2010 Syracuse, Boise State and Oregon have had most road victories during the Marrone era. #Bills, not so much. #BillsMafia Marrone also amped up Saints offense with Brees, then in his 5th year: more plays, attempts, completions, yds, pass rating. When Marrone was with Saints he had Bush (6'0, 4.3 speed), now he has Spiller (5'11", 4.3 speed) with #Bills #BillsMafia RussBrandon will save $$$ moving Marrone to #Bills. U-Haul 150 mi West on I-90. Sink savings into orange dome for the Ralph. When Marrone was with Saints ('06-'08), Saints set records for Passing Yards in a game and Rushing Touchdowns in a season--still stand today Marrone was told he was new #Bills HC at 2 a.m. --Marrone was up, lifting NHL lockout. Drew Brees told Scott Pitoniak he “loved working with Marrone because [he] knew offenses inside and out” http://bit.ly/TTUUln Marrone hire regionalizes #Bills further to the East. First Rochester for TCamp, now 'Cuse. Carmichael's running game man at Saints, Aaron Kromer, is also available. He coached OL (Madden OL award 2 of last 3 yrs) We won't know about OC Carmichael until after Tues.--he int's for the Bears HC job #Bills should look at Pete Carmichael of #Saints for OC. League-high 43 TD, > 5,000 yds for the 3rd time
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 And Oregon's record the four years prior was 36-15 so essentially Kelly improved the Ducks winning % from .705 to .868, not bad but had a pretty good starting point. Marrone went from .240 (believe it was 10-31 prior) to ,500. To me that's pretty impressive too and did it at a school that football really isn't even the biggest story. What did Kelly do prior to coaching at Oregon, he was OC at powerhouse New Hampshire, wow!! The big thing about Kelly to me isn't his record as much as the style of offense he runs. One which is highly questionable how well it will work in the NFL. Marrone tended to run a pro-style offense in SU. Kelly could be the most controversial college coach to go to the NFL of all time, makes Spurrier look like Vince Lombardi as far as fitting in. He may be the next greatest coach of all time, but I'd give him a better chance of being fired in four years, or an even higher likelihood of pulling a Spurrier/Saban/Holtz was it and quitting to return to college. First off, I don't think anyone here claims to see into the future. Doug Marrone may very well become the greatest Bills HC ever. However, I'm extremely skeptical and as I've said, uninspired. You want to B word about people bitching about the pick, go ahead, but it's not like we don't have our reasons. A 25-25 record and two "Pinstripe Bowl" wins? Yeah that really compares to a close loss to Stanford from being in the BCS National Championship game; a 45-7 record; and stomping one of the most successful coaches in the Fiesta Bowl. Or how about someone fired after a 10-6 season in the NFL [hey it's hard to win in the NFL] (BTW our last double digit winning season? yeah 1999), 5 winning seasons out of 9, only one season worse than 7-9; a SB appearance with a terrible QB named Rex Grossman. Hell, even the other guy, who I hate BTW, had a SB appearance on his resume (though I maintain both winning seasons a product of a Hall of Fame QB and not the coach).
Beerball Posted January 6, 2013 Posted January 6, 2013 What I find interesting? A lot of fans are bitching but just about every "NFL person" is applauding the move....... Chip Kelly wasnt coming here I'll go one step further and say the Bills would have been crazy to bring Kelly here if in fact he is asking for complete control. Experienced NFL coaches can't handle that. No way I'd give a first timer that much authority.
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