dayman Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) http://www.politico....5687.html?hp=r1 Some really conservative people on here demand his head for anything and everything lately...most recently the last minute "deal" (if you want to call it that) to stave off the full cliff for now. But w/ this Sandy vote issue...it's just more weight on his back and now not just from the far right...now from more establishment right on top of it...could he be done by next week? Christie was talking up Cantor.... http://www.rawstory....g-sandy-relief/ King angry as well. ,,, Edited January 2, 2013 by SameOldBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Neither King nor Christie is a conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Somehow, the SameOldBills sounds just like TheNewBills. Gets a tingle up his leg whenever Republicans have differing thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Somehow, the SameOldBills sounds just like TheNewBills. Gets a tingle up his leg whenever Republicans have differing thoughts. lol nothing gets by you, quick wits are a virtue Anyway I wouldn't care to see Boehner thrown out...he's fine considering his possible replacements and the circumstances of his speakership. Edited January 3, 2013 by SameOldBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/christie-craving-pork-filled-sandy-bill_693530.html Maybe Christie & King should be a little more pissed at the Senate Democrat leadership for screwing things up. "But one of the big objections to the bill was that Senate Democrats had filled it with pork. In fact, "Democrats expanded the legislation during a mark-up to include not just areas affected by Sandy, but also to provide money for 'storm events that occurred in 2012 along the Gulf Coast and Atlantic Coast within the boundaries of the North Atlantic and Mississippi Valley divisions of the Corps that were affected by Hurricanes Sandy and Isaac,'" we reported previously. The expansion of the bill was a way to provide a financial incentive for senators from red states--"two Republicans senators from Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas, and the one Republican senator from Louisiana"--to vote for the bill. "The Sandy kickbacks provide an incentive for those Republicans to vote on the bill," we wrote." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Republicans are !@#$ing inept. Instead of pointing out why he did it, Boehner tables the bill and hands the press, the public and now people in his own party a cache of weapons to attack him so big, Al Qaeda is envious. And stop with the RINO stuff, already. Christie and King dont care about pork. Those things are what party leadership is supposed to deal with. Boehner has said a word about it and doesnt even take Christies calls? Pathetic. These guys have consituents who need aid. NOW. Some post on this board, for chrissakes. Edited January 3, 2013 by RkFast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 the gop is in full melt down mode. its about time. its been a circus freak show for a decade. blow it up and start over. vote huntsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Well lets see if Boehner can return with merely 1 ballot today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 the gop is in full melt down mode. its about time. its been a circus freak show for a decade. blow it up and start over. vote huntsman Huntsman. The Democrat's choice for the GOP eight years running! The GOP! In full meltdown mode! Third time this quarter! They'll never recover from this, except when they do! Whatever you're watching among the GOP is good for the long term. I'm reminded of the brief time I worked at a company owned by three brothers who were constantly disagreeing with each other. I asked one of them how they dealt with it, and his response was that he much preferred to have differing opinions because growth comes from internal challenges. Besides, he said, if all three agreed on everything all the time, there'd be no need for two of the brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The GOP's main problem has next to nothing to do with the fiscal hawks and almost everything to do with the rapidly changing demographics. If they don't become more inclusive, then the slide will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Colin Powell for speaker! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The GOP's main problem has next to nothing to do with the fiscal hawks and almost everything to do with the rapidly changing demographics. If they don't become more inclusive, then the slide will continue. Too late. Once Obama gives illegals a free pass to citizenship, there's little the GOP can do. While it would never work, I prefer the new GOP mantra be "Go ahead." Every time Obama wants to spend us into oblivion and tax everything that moves, just say "Go ahead" and let him own it. Just tell everyone over and over, "This is what you voted for, so instead of petty fighting, we're just going to let him do what he wants." Like I said, not possible. Or even logical. But I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Too late. Once Obama gives illegals a free pass to citizenship, there's little the GOP can do. While it would never work, I prefer the new GOP mantra be "Go ahead." Every time Obama wants to spend us into oblivion and tax everything that moves, just say "Go ahead" and let him own it. Just tell everyone over and over, "This is what you voted for, so instead of petty fighting, we're just going to let him do what he wants." Like I said, not possible. Or even logical. But I can dream. LoL... Riding high in the saddle two years (after midterm elections) ago while you spouted the demise of the progressives, liberals, and democrats... Who would have thought that you would sink to this pathetic level. Wow... How the mighty have fallen... LoL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 http://www.weeklysta...ill_693530.html Maybe Christie & King should be a little more pissed at the Senate Democrat leadership for screwing things up. "But one of the big objections to the bill was that Senate Democrats had filled it with pork. In fact, "Democrats expanded the legislation during a mark-up to include not just areas affected by Sandy, but also to provide money for 'storm events that occurred in 2012 along the Gulf Coast and Atlantic Coast within the boundaries of the North Atlantic and Mississippi Valley divisions of the Corps that were affected by Hurricanes Sandy and Isaac,'" we reported previously. The expansion of the bill was a way to provide a financial incentive for senators from red states--"two Republicans senators from Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas, and the one Republican senator from Louisiana"--to vote for the bill. "The Sandy kickbacks provide an incentive for those Republicans to vote on the bill," we wrote." But it sounds like they had the votes in the house to pass it, including the swine, so why did House Leadership pull it? it would seem they would not be able to get the votes wiht the pork, but they did.... strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The GOP's main problem has next to nothing to do with the fiscal hawks and almost everything to do with the rapidly changing demographics. If they don't become more inclusive, then the slide will continue. The problem is two-fold. First and foremost, the party needs to shed it's socially conservative leanings; which while not nessecarilly intentionally bigoted, often are enforced that way in practice. Secondly, the old guard GOP has a huge marketing problem. They are protrayed as the party of bi-coastal, jetsetting, wealthy, stuffy, old, white men with names like Dr. Rutherford G. Van Eagleton IV, all members of a very exclusive club, which you'll never be a member of. A very youthful libertarian movement is making great headway into tearing down this caricature, but there will be a huge civil war within the party before such a shift is permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The problem is two-fold. First and foremost, the party needs to shed it's socially conservative leanings; which while not nessecarilly intentionally bigoted, often are enforced that way in practice. Secondly, the old guard GOP has a huge marketing problem. They are protrayed as the party of bi-coastal, jetsetting, wealthy, stuffy, old, white men with names like Dr. Rutherford G. Van Eagleton IV, all members of a very exclusive club, which you'll never be a member of. A very youthful libertarian movement is making great headway into tearing down this caricature, but there will be a huge civil war within the party before such a shift is permitted. Yeah, I kinda agree with this. The younger libertarian minded folks could end up being a huge boost for the R's moving forward. However, in order to do this, they have to let go of the Cons and Social goons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The problem is two-fold. First and foremost, the party needs to shed it's socially conservative leanings; which while not nessecarilly intentionally bigoted, often are enforced that way in practice. Secondly, the old guard GOP has a huge marketing problem. They are protrayed as the party of bi-coastal, jetsetting, wealthy, stuffy, old, white men with names like Dr. Rutherford G. Van Eagleton IV, all members of a very exclusive club, which you'll never be a member of. A very youthful libertarian movement is making great headway into tearing down this caricature, but there will be a huge civil war within the party before such a shift is permitted. Very well stated. That new movement is not only attracting the conservatives who are tired of the old guard of the party, but drawing some centrist Democrats who aspire to fiscal conservative principles, but are "live and let live" on social issues. I can see the Libertarian Party growing quick a lot in the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 So: The plan for the repubs is to move left socially and stay fiscally conservative. Can that even happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Very well stated. That new movement is not only attracting the conservatives who are tired of the old guard of the party, but drawing some centrist Democrats who aspire to fiscal conservative principles, but are "live and let live" on social issues. I can see the Libertarian Party growing quick a lot in the future... The Libertarian Party will never be more than what it is today, as the current organization of the FEC and federal and state election laws opperate in a way designed to purpetuate the existing two party system and maintain the existing two parties. There's alot of old money and power at stake were any change to be made to this system, and those who have it will not allow the system that guards them disapear. The shift will have to be internal, rather than extenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 So: The plan for the repubs is to move left socially and stay fiscally conservative. Can that even happen? It will happen, and they already are beginning to. The question is how long will it take for the transition to complete, and how many elections will they lose between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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