Bronc24 Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 I agree on both points, especially on taking a chance, I am sick of the Bills playing it "Safe" its has gotten the team nowhere in 12 years Judging by your name, I'd say we agree on more than that.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Is this a joke or what? He interviews with the Browns and then says this?: Reuben Frank @RoobCSN Bill O'Brien to David Jones of Harrisburg Patriot News: "I'm not a one-and-done guy. I made a commitment to these players at Penn State ... Retweeted by Ian Rapoport That wasn't the complete tweet. He added: "The hypocrisy of leaving University Park after pleading with the majority of the roster to maintain their commitments to the school would garner too much public scorn and would be tantamount to character suicide. While those are the values espoused by Belichick, I simply can't leave the school at this time. Maybe next year." Weird. Seems like more than 140 characters.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Wow - just read the story: O'Brien acknowledged that PSU donor Terry Pegula, financier of the new Penn State hockey arena, has been a major ally in his efforts. Pegula was the first person who contacted O'Brien in late 2011 when he was eventually interviewed for the job. Though O'Brien was not specific about it, high-level PSU sources have told me that Pegula donated a $1.3 million gift to be added to O'Brien's salary in the coming year that will bump his total compensation to $3.6 million and place him behind only Ohio State's Urban Meyer and Iowa's Kirk Ferentz as the third-highest-paid coach in the Big Ten. Cool. I'm sure it doesn't matter, because Pegula could just donate 1.3 mil to the school and the school could just decide to renegotiate O'Brien's salary for a remarkably similar 1.3 million, but is that even legal under NCAA rules? For an alumnus to just pay a coach a million dollar bonus? I don't know either way.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Too much ego for me. He will have less control in the nfl. Could be another college flop. Took Carroll 3 times to get it.
Punch Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Wow - just read the story: O'Brien acknowledged that PSU donor Terry Pegula, financier of the new Penn State hockey arena, has been a major ally in his efforts. Pegula was the first person who contacted O'Brien in late 2011 when he was eventually interviewed for the job. Though O'Brien was not specific about it, high-level PSU sources have told me that Pegula donated a $1.3 million gift to be added to O'Brien's salary in the coming year that will bump his total compensation to $3.6 million and place him behind only Ohio State's Urban Meyer and Iowa's Kirk Ferentz as the third-highest-paid coach in the Big Ten. The previous paragraph to the above quote (in reference to "PSU donor Terry Pegula, financier of the new Penn State hockey arena, has been a major ally in his efforts" below: This was a strategic mission of sorts by O'Brien. By having Linta throw his name open to NFL openings and having the agent field initial offers, he was able to gain additional leverage that allowed him to accomplish structural and personnel changes in the Penn State athletic department that will be forthcoming. O'Brien declined to be specific about those changes when asked but he did not deny those aims. What personnel changes would Pegula be interested in influencing? This could be a major headache as a Sabres' fan--- or maybe nothing at all. http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2013/01/bill_obrien_is_staying_at_penn.html
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 The previous paragraph to the above quote (in reference to "PSU donor Terry Pegula, financier of the new Penn State hockey arena, has been a major ally in his efforts" below: This was a strategic mission of sorts by O'Brien. By having Linta throw his name open to NFL openings and having the agent field initial offers, he was able to gain additional leverage that allowed him to accomplish structural and personnel changes in the Penn State athletic department that will be forthcoming. O'Brien declined to be specific about those changes when asked but he did not deny those aims. What personnel changes would Pegula be interested in influencing? This could be a major headache as a Sabres' fan--- or maybe nothing at all. http://www.pennlive....ng_at_penn.html Maybe I am missing something but doesn't that quote imply that O'Brien was asking for those changes and not Pegula?
bbb Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Cool. I'm sure it doesn't matter, because Pegula could just donate 1.3 mil to the school and the school could just decide to renegotiate O'Brien's salary for a remarkably similar 1.3 million, but is that even legal under NCAA rules? For an alumnus to just pay a coach a million dollar bonus? I don't know either way. The only thing I know for sure is that I remember when Bill Self was coach at Tulsa (hoops). The local business leaders all chipped in to give him a big raise. So, I guess it's legal. The kicker to that story was that he signed the contract and then left for Illinois about two weeks later. That wasn't the complete tweet. He added: "The hypocrisy of leaving University Park after pleading with the majority of the roster to maintain their commitments to the school would garner too much public scorn and would be tantamount to character suicide. While those are the values espoused by Belichick, I simply can't leave the school at this time. Maybe next year." Weird. Seems like more than 140 characters.
Tcali Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Too much ego for me. He will have less control in the nfl. Could be another college flop. Took Carroll 3 times to get it. not really. carrol had bledsoe as a weight on his shoulders. wooden indians dont do much good for coaching careers
Erik Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 not really. carrol had bledsoe as a weight on his shoulders. wooden indians dont do much good for coaching careers Worked wonders for Mularkey didn't he?
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Sorry, there is NO WAY I want a guy as the next HC of the Bills, who has never coached a single minute at any level of the NFL game. Just dealing with the players, there is a huge difference with coaching 17-22 year olds, and primadonna 22-40 year olds. IMO...It would be a disaster. I agree! Having said that, how does anyone "coach" a person with a $100 Mil. contract?
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Cool. I'm sure it doesn't matter, because Pegula could just donate 1.3 mil to the school and the school could just decide to renegotiate O'Brien's salary for a remarkably similar 1.3 million, but is that even legal under NCAA rules? For an alumnus to just pay a coach a million dollar bonus? I don't know either way. Shouldn't a donor devote his money to making PSU a better research/educational institution rather than a better football factory, which, by the way, has no connection to actual education and research (the institution's sole purpose)?
Buffaloed in Pa Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 not really. carrol had bledsoe as a weight on his shoulders. wooden indians dont do much good for coaching careers Whatever
Punch Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Maybe I am missing something but doesn't that quote imply that O'Brien was asking for those changes and not Pegula? Yes, but if Pegula is O'Brien's "ally" in this effort, then it also implies he's in cahoots. Honestly, I have no idea if/how/why it would/could/should be construed as negative. It just sounds odd I'm hoping it's not.
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Yes, but if Pegula is O'Brien's "ally" in this effort, then it also implies he's in cahoots. Honestly, I have no idea if/how/why it would/could/should be construed as negative. It just sounds odd I'm hoping it's not. If it's true, i find it revolting. But then i despise what is going on in big time college sports pretty much across the board.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Shouldn't a donor devote his money to making PSU a better research/educational institution rather than a better football factory, which, by the way, has no connection to actual education and research (the institution's sole purpose)? How much money from Penn State's football program over the years has gone to the University and not its sports programs? I'm not sure but I would imagine a bunch? I also imagine that their football program draws a helluva lot of national prominence and non-football playing students who them become successful alumns and donate to the University. I don't know this, but I would imagine Pegula has donated more than this and the hockey arena to his beloved alma mater.
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) How much money from Penn State's football program over the years has gone to the University and not its sports programs? I'm not sure but I would imagine a bunch? I also imagine that their football program draws a helluva lot of national prominence and non-football playing students who them become successful alumns and donate to the University. I don't know this, but I would imagine Pegula has donated more than this and the hockey arena to his beloved alma mater. Big time college football has corrupted institutions beyond count, penn state most conspicuously. and among the universities with the biggest endowments, none save stanford are any good at football. And stanford sucked for decades and suffered no ill consequences on the money front. Edited January 4, 2013 by dave mcbride
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Big time college football has corrupted institutions beyond count, penn state most conspicuously. and among the universities with the biggest endowments, none save stanford are any good at football. And stanford sucked for decades and suffered no ill consequences on the money front. While I wholeheartedly agree with you, they corrupted their own sports programs more than the Universities as a whole, and they bring a ton of money into schools for stuff other than sports. Student athletes also have better GPAs overall than non-athletic students. I'm not saying there is not huge corruption in major college sports, of course there is. But sports do a lot for a university's visibility and comaraderie and pocketbook. Overall, more good than bad IMO. And what is the alternative?
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Kelly has never coached in the NFL and perhaps more importantly, is obviously a great recruiter, which translates into what as an NFL coach?
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) While I wholeheartedly agree with you, they corrupted their own sports programs more than the Universities as a whole, and they bring a ton of money into schools for stuff other than sports. Student athletes also have better GPAs overall than non-athletic students. I'm not saying there is not huge corruption in major college sports, of course there is. But sports do a lot for a university's visibility and comaraderie and pocketbook. Overall, more good than bad IMO. And what is the alternative? I think more bad than good, but they're not going away. I have no problem with lower profile college sports like baseball etc because the competition from legit minor leagues menas that they can't become the soul sucking maws that sports like D-1 football and basketball are. And as for athletes having better gpas, that's sophistry. In d-1 men's college football and basketball that's certainly not the case. If you average in women's water polo and all the title ix stuff and all the d-3 stuff (where the vast majority of athletes reside), than sure. But that's not what we're talking about. In any event, i'd love to see real minor leagues destroy college football and basketball as money making enterprises for the university, but i have no illusions that this will happen. Edited January 4, 2013 by dave mcbride
NoSaint Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Kelly has never coached in the NFL and perhaps more importantly, is obviously a great recruiter, which translates into what as an NFL coach? Evaluating, targeting and acquiring talent clearly has no place in the nfl.
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