Nick in RaChaCha Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Don't get me wrong... I like his play... and he is much improved. I would call him a good linemen. However, good O linemen entering their second contract demand WAY to much money. If we re-sign him we will have to Overpay for him! This team can not afford to overpay for anyone! (***cough ... Drew cough***) We will need to sign a Higher caliber lineman in the offseason to replace JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 who ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick in* england Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 agreed! 193837[/snapback] who are you agreeing with?? I don't know who we can bring in to replace Jennings - so resigning him seems most sensible to me (albeit on fairly reasonable terms). If we keep this group together we could build something really good for the next few years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 We will need to sign a Higher caliber lineman in the offseason to replace JJ. 193826[/snapback] How do we do that without overpaying because "good O linemen entering their second contract demand WAY to much money"? Get someone entering their third contract? With no first round pick getting a ready to play tackle in the draft seems unlikely. I agree with you, we can't overpay Jonas, but do you get a high caliber lineman without overpaying them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick in RaChaCha Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 If we are going to over pay I would rather get Higher caliber lineman ... that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Whether it be Jennings or someone else, you are going to have to overpay for a left tackle. So why not go out and get the best one in the League - Walter Jones. I doubt he's happy in Seattle seeing that he won't sign anything long term there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Whether it be Jennings or someone else, you are going to have to overpay for a left tackle. So why not go out and get the best one in the League - Walter Jones. I doubt he's happy in Seattle seeing that he won't sign anything long term there. 193862[/snapback] We need a leader on this line and Jennings isn't it since he's talked about leaving for a few years now. Goodbye Jonas, hello Walter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I believe he'll receive some insane offer and leave. Resign M.Price and search for help during the FA period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 We need a leader on this line and Jennings isn't it since he's talked about leaving for a few years now. Goodbye Jonas, hello Walter. 193872[/snapback] yeah, right. walter jones has held out 3 years in a row and expects to be the highest paid LT in football. he ain't coming to the bills even if hell were to freeze over. the reason LTs get paid so much is that they're so valuable. also, there is the continuity issue. in pitt in donohoe's glory days, john jackson, a 6th rounder, was great because he was so well integrated into the system and played in it for years. when he left for greener pastures, pitt really couldn't replace him and their fortunes sank. he's a lot like jennings -- a very good player without being a superstar who plays so well in part because of familiarity with the system and continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 yeah, right. walter jones has held out 3 years in a row and expects to be the highest paid LT in football. he ain't coming to the bills even if hell were to freeze over. the reason LTs get paid so much is that they're so valuable. also, there is the continuity issue. in pitt in donohoe's glory days, john jackson, a 6th rounder, was great because he was so well integrated into the system and played in it for years. when he left for greener pastures, pitt really couldn't replace him and their fortunes sank. he's a lot like jennings -- a very good player without being a superstar who plays so well in part because of familiarity with the system and continuity. 193884[/snapback] If you think that Jonas Jennings is not looking for "superstar" money than you have a pie-in-the-sky mentality to player demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 If you think that Jonas Jennings is not looking for "superstar" money than you have a pie-in-the-sky mentality to player demands. 193890[/snapback] i think he is looking for "superstar" money, but not as much as jones or pace (or ogden, for that matter). given what i know about LTs -- john fina, anyone?? -- I'd be happy to pay it. the bills are not in bad cap shape at all, and can easily swing it. people who think these guys are easy to replace should watch some giants and tampa bay games. the bills have no successor waiting in the wings. price is strictly a solid backup - nothing more nothing less - who tends to get eaten up by the richard seymours and jason taylors of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I wouldn't be uspet if we re-signed Jonas. He should be our worst case scenario at LT. If we downgrade at LT, our offense will be worse than it was this year, and Drew (who like it or not is probably our starter next year) is set up for failure. So it's gotta be Jonas or better. I'm of the ilk that if I'm going to have to pay $5-6m per year for the sirloin (Jonas), I'll take the filet mignon for $8m per year (Jones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Ala Reuben Brown for Villarial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I wouldn't be uspet if we re-signed Jonas. He should be our worst case scenario at LT. If we downgrade at LT, our offense will be worse than it was this year, and Drew (who like it or not is probably our starter next year) is set up for failure. So it's gotta be Jonas or better. I'm of the ilk that if I'm going to have to pay $5-6m per year for the sirloin (Jonas), I'll take the filet mignon for $8m per year (Jones). 193919[/snapback] agreed. the other alternatives are bottom round at best and ground chuck at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 We'll see how much it will take to re-sign him and go from there. I wouldn't mind him staying but if their's someone else out there that is proven for the same or a little more amount of money(Which will be a lot) it has to be considered. Does he REALLY want to stay? I think he's more likely to leave than PW. So, if he goes that means we'll need a LT and a LG for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Offensive line should be our main focus in Free Agency. We can complain all we want about the QB situation but we are going to do better than what we have right now unfortunately. Re-sign Pat Williams, re-structure Moulds, trade Henry, draft a bigger back-up RB and another receiver, look into upgrading the kicker, then go to town on the offensive line (we will have close to $10m in cap room for an LT and G). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soljc Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Don't get me wrong... I like his play... and he is much improved. I would call him a good linemen. However, good O linemen entering their second contract demand WAY to much money. If we re-sign him we will have to Overpay for him! This team can not afford to overpay for anyone! (***cough ... Drew cough***) We will need to sign a Higher caliber lineman in the offseason to replace JJ. 193826[/snapback] I agree, but we seem to have a history of overpaying people (see, Lindell, Posey, Bledsoe, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I agree, but we seem to have a history of overpaying people (see, Lindell, Posey, Bledsoe, etc.) 194048[/snapback] and also getting some bargains....Chris Villarial, Troy Vincent... FA is another Crapshoot like the Draft...You win some, you lose some...If it works great, else, move on...as they should do with Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Yeah, what McBride said. All-pro LTs are rarely available in free agency. If logic holds that Jonas should be let go because he is going to cost too much, what does logic say about his potential replacement? Marcus Price has been barely adequate in spot duty, and he's the type of bargain tackle that people should expect to see as a Jennings replacement. If anything, the focus should be on getting a quality LG. Notice MW's improvement from the addition of Villareal. The Bills should make all the efforts to resign Williams & Jennings. Just so that I can make this a Bledsoe related post, it would be nice to see some easing of the cap from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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