dayman Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) It is what it is. http://www.washingto...d278_story.html Edited December 21, 2012 by SameOldBills
3rdnlng Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) It is what it is. http://www.washingto...d278_story.html http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/274009-reid-rules-out-senate-vote-on-boehners-plan-b So, what's the purpose? Dems are committed to going over the fiscal cliff so they can blame the Repubs. Boehner's plan was actually proposed by Nancy Pelosi some time back. Edited December 21, 2012 by 3rdnlng
Meathead Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 mayday mayday the intransigent express has taken broadside volley right to her heart abandon ship. abandon ship
Meathead Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 this was a boner ... err i mean blunder seriously remember i voted for a republican. i want the party to be strong. just not crazy this is a victory for not crazy
dayman Posted December 21, 2012 Author Posted December 21, 2012 Well the real reason it's significant is it sort of makes you wonder who there even is to negotiate with on the GOP side as far as a leader ...
Cinga Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 Well the real reason it's significant is it sort of makes you wonder who there even is to negotiate with on the GOP side as far as a leader ... negotiate?? isn't that for conference committee once SOMETHING is passed? This bu11sh1t of behind door meeting has got to stop. It's not up to the so called "leaders" to come to a resolution they cram down everyone else throat. heck, the Senate under Dem control hasn't even passed a spending bill (not subject to filibuster btw) in over 3 years. What makes ANYONE think anything can get done? One side literally wants to go over the cliff, while the other is afraid they'll be blamed for it, and in panic mode. Turn out the light folks, we're diving deep in a few days, and even if they somehow work out an agreement???? Both proposals, Obama's, and plan B, are worse than the cliff.... end rant
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 The internal Revolution in the Republican party is well underway.
Cinga Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 The internal Revolution in the Republican party is well underway. But.... I've seen these "signs" before, only to be so very disappointed...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 But.... I've seen these "signs" before, only to be so very disappointed... That's because your side lost. Each occasion offers the opportunity for a different outcome.
3rdnlng Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/12/21/with-no-deal-obama-heads-to-hawaii/ “Merry Christmas – because we didn’t get this done, I’ll see you next week,” Obama said after telling reporters he still had hope of striking a deal to prevent taxes from rising on the middle class next year.
birdog1960 Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 anyone not seeing this as a big loss for the repugnants is delusional. a majority party that can't govern won't remain in the majority long, to paraphrase a republican congressman today. the recent polls support this unfortunately, the country loses as there really is no republican leader to even attempt to negotiate the important national issues with. mark shields said on pbs that it's similar to the problem of finding consensus in europe even though we have only one county to deal with here in negotiations. sounds about right to me. we really don't have time for the repugs to figure out who they really want to be, who their leader is and what they stand for.
dayman Posted December 22, 2012 Author Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) anyone not seeing this as a big loss for the repugnants is delusional. a majority party that can't govern won't remain in the majority long, to paraphrase a republican congressman today. the recent polls support this unfortunately, the country loses as there really is no republican leader to even attempt to negotiate the important national issues with. mark shields said on pbs that it's similar to the problem of finding consensus in europe even though we have only one county to deal with here in negotiations. sounds about right to me. we really don't have time for the repugs to figure out who they really want to be, who their leader is and what they stand for. As long as Tasker thinks there is a chance for a faction of Repubs who refuse to engage in negotiated compromise when they hold the minority of a divided government...they can't disappoint him...or else...something... In all seriousness though....get the tax cuts extended as high as you can above 250 and get as much cuts as you can and move on man...seriously do that and fight another day then purge those who threaten to primary you further from the right by saying "yes...some of us have to govern and there is such thing as Democrats who win more than us ya jackasses ... it's b/c of you they do..so go find a mountain top and scream your lungs out while we actually do the real world work necessary to run the country and hopefully w/ out your interference steer it more in our direction next election...b/c ya know...elections happen...and that's what gives you power" Edited December 22, 2012 by SameOldBills
birdog1960 Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 this guyhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimcos-el-erian-recession-now-163538817.html;_ylt=AiumlIyHgjhzL8qGOaE2YCiiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4N3BqYmQ5BG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwM3OTIzNzMwNS05YTE2LTNhNzItYTg5ZC0wODZhOTg5MzYyNDkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgM3OWZiOTFjYy00YjkwLTExZTItYjViZi02ZWYyM2ZhMzg0YmE-;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimcos-el-erian-recession-now-163538817.html;_ylt=AiumlIyHgjhzL8qGOaE2YCiiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4N3BqYmQ5BG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwM3OTIzNzMwNS05YTE2LTNhNzItYTg5ZC0wODZhOTg5MzYyNDkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgM3OWZiOTFjYy00YjkwLTExZTItYjViZi02ZWYyM2ZhMzg0YmE-;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimcos-el-erian-recession-now-163538817.html;_ylt=AiumlIyHgjhzL8qGOaE2YCiiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4N3BqYmQ5BG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwM3OTIzNzMwNS05YTE2LTNhNzItYTg5ZC0wODZhOTg5MzYyNDkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgM3OWZiOTFjYy00YjkwLTExZTItYjViZi02ZWYyM2ZhMzg0YmE-;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3 has a pretty good prognostication track record. who else thinks his sceraios work their way out before a deal is struck? morons....
birdog1960 Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 try this link instead http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Pimco-El-Erian-cliff-recession/2012/12/21/id/468732
RkFast Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 What spending cuts have the democrats offered? Serious question.
3rdnlng Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 What spending cuts have the democrats offered? Serious question. Back in 2011 it was $3 in cuts for every $1 in revenue. Now Obama is offering $1 in cuts (down the road) for every $4 of new revenue. Damn Republicans are just obstructionists, and wholly responsible for this fiscal cliff thingy. Boehner even offered a Pelosi backed solution and he is being scoffed at.
Keukasmallies Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 Chicken Little just called, the sky is falling.
RkFast Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 According to WSJ, Boehner asked Obama what the speaker would get for his $800 bil in revenue offer. Answer: "Nothing. I get that for free." Obama is a douche.
B-Man Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 Those who like to do "scorekeeping" on the congressional budget talks, really don't seem to understand how difficult things are going to get for Americans in January and over the next four years; Obama's Regulatory Cliff Is Bigger Problem Than Fiscal Cliff Obama announces new wave of proposed regulations The ObamaCare Fiscal Cliff Only 15 States Opt to Run Obamacare Exchanges .
Nanker Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 It's obvious the Dums want to send the country over the cliff. They'll never get defense cuts on the table otherwise, and they really thrill at the thought of everyone's taxes rising and getting ahold of all that new tax revenue. Forward! Of course, Stretch Pelosi will introduce a House bill in January for the "Obama Tax Cuts" that will mimic the Bush/Bad tax cuts - except they'll hammer the 2%ers. Then, they'll force the Repubs to vote that down to their eternal damnation in the forward thinkers and those who just got to remember first hand what the tax rates were like in the First Clinton era. The ruling oligarchy will get what they want - tax hikes, defense and entitlement tax cuts that they can blame on the Repubs, and with the Forward-thinking press ("uuuhh huuh Mr. President, I've never seen you lose an election!", the Progressives will have their cake and eat it too. Forward! What a wonderful world it will be soon when everyone is paying their fair share.
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