Koko78 Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 Just how many NRA members have been involved with the street gun violence in Chicago and NYC, or have slaughtered innocent babies in American schools? Millions. Apparently.
Keukasmallies Posted December 21, 2012 Author Posted December 21, 2012 I'm thinkin' there are proportionately as many wing nuts and mental defectives inside the NRA as there are outside the organization.
Adam Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 Yes, there will be an attempt to shift the focus to "mental health" by the NRA and other pro-gun entities...and there is certainly some validity to that...but, we already live in a country where conservatives tend to think any sort of mental health diagnosis are just excuses for bad behavior, or bad parenting...we don't seem to have the desire to equip our education system to deal with kids who have mental health issues...so what do you do with them? I am certainly not advocating taking everyones' guns away, but I think many, even those who have always had a very pro-gun stance issue are rightfully wondering if we haven't reached the point where a little more control is warrented. But any time it is mentioned, the extreme people on that side of the issue, frankly, flip out. They need and want their guns... I doubt I could ever convince you of anything! Mandatory gun training is something that clearly has merit. Investigating the negative effects of psychiatric drugs should be on the table, but won't be, because the drug lobby is buying too many congressional votes for it to happen.
whateverdude Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 The mans penis can be used in the commission of a crime and infected ones have killed millions in Africa, should we ban them?
3rdnlng Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 The mans penis can be used in the commission of a crime and infected ones have killed millions in Africa, should we ban them? An out and out ban would be unconstitutional. Simply controlling the amount of ammunition allowed to be loaded at one time and outlawing them as a concealed weapon should do the trick. Further restrictions could include prohibiting their use on the Hershey Highway.
Nanker Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 Mandatory gun training is something that clearly has merit. Investigating the negative effects of psychiatric drugs should be on the table, but won't be, because the drug lobby is buying too many congressional votes for it to happen. Try bringing that up at a PTA meeting and see how well it's received. As for the dug industry, they've probably prevented more slaughters from happening than unarmed teachers have. The government has pretty much abdicated responsibility for the public's mental health since the Carter years. What - you expect them to care about that issue? I'd wager that probably very few schizophrenics and sociopaths vote. It's not a constituency that many politicians embrace either. They're too busy collecting donations so they can get elected to donate public money to their donator's causes.
Adam Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 Try bringing that up at a PTA meeting and see how well it's received. As for the dug industry, they've probably prevented more slaughters from happening than unarmed teachers have. The government has pretty much abdicated responsibility for the public's mental health since the Carter years. What - you expect them to care about that issue? I'd wager that probably very few schizophrenics and sociopaths vote. It's not a constituency that many politicians embrace either. They're too busy collecting donations so they can get elected to donate public money to their donator's causes. I don't get the PTA reference, please elaborate. Not just the government. I don't think enough people care about the mental health issue. That needs to change, very quickly. I do agree on the non-voting thing, completely. A lot of things about our government needs to change.
Rob's House Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 I don't recall gun control being a campaign issue. Why is Obama expected to act on it now?
3rdnlng Posted December 24, 2012 Posted December 24, 2012 I don't recall gun control being a campaign issue. Why is Obama expected to act on it now? Gun control was not a campaign issue because it would have been a loser for Obama. It is a long standing democrat issue that is ok to bring up now that Obama has been reelected. Of course they can't let a crisis go to waste either.
Cinga Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 ignorance knows no bounds... and this guy is a professor??? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/gun-free-homes-and-commun_b_2322773.html
Adam Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 ignorance knows no bounds... and this guy is a professor??? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/gun-free-homes-and-commun_b_2322773.html Just as repugnant as the NRA press conference. Nobody cares about fixing the problem, they only care about winning the issue. That's what America is all about! The President's hypocrisy: I see no change from the previous President. Bet he can't wait to sign off on the NDAA. Notice how they distract us from that with the illusory fiscal cliff.........
keepthefaith Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) Just as repugnant as the NRA press conference. Nobody cares about fixing the problem, they only care about winning the issue. That's what America is all about! I thought the gentleman giving the NRA presentation made some very good points and by the way, my kids attended both a middle school and a high school that are protected every school day by an armed policeman. These schools are in a nice Chicago suburb where crime is quite low and the officers have been in the schools for more than a decade. Edited December 25, 2012 by keepthefaith
Dean Cain Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 Good article on Obama fail - http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBRE8BO00B20121225?irpc=932
Adam Posted December 25, 2012 Posted December 25, 2012 I thought the gentleman giving the NRA presentation made some very good points and by the way, my kids attended both a middle school and a high school that are protected every school day by an armed policeman. These schools are in a nice Chicago suburb where crime is quite low and the officers have been in the schools for more than a decade. Making minor changes either way as far as guns go, will not change things dramatically, from how they are now. Going too far either way, will make the gun violence issue dramatically worse, by either having guns only available to criminals or by having too many guns out there in circulation to people who don't know what they are doing. A lot of avenues need to be explored. You saying that, is far different from someone in the NRA saying that, as I feel you are a lot more sincere about the general well being. That said, the NRA needs to make some changes, or they will hurt our ability to own them for our defense, in the long run. I hope that doesn't happen, because this issue, as was proven with prohibition, you can't take away something which is already out there.
UConn James Posted December 26, 2012 Posted December 26, 2012 Feinstein in Senate, Gov. Cuomo in NY are reportedly set to present bills making gun buy-back program participation cumpulsory & confiscation of semi-automatics. http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-feinstein-suggests-national-buyback-of-guns/article/2516648#.UNsSwrO9KSP Holy stevestojan.... These people know no bounds.
Alaska Darin Posted December 26, 2012 Posted December 26, 2012 Feinstein in Senate, Gov. Cuomo in NY are reportedly set to present bills making gun buy-back program participation cumpulsory & confiscation of semi-automatics. http://washingtonexa...48#.UNsSwrO9KSP Holy stevestojan.... These people know no bounds. Gee, I wonder why gun owners stand their ground.
Gene Frenkle Posted December 26, 2012 Posted December 26, 2012 If such legislation is passed are gun owners who "stand their ground" still law-abiding citizens?
3rdnlng Posted December 26, 2012 Posted December 26, 2012 What is a semi-automatic weapon? http://washingtonexaminer.com/media-myths-on-assault-weapons-and-semiautomatic-firearms/article/2516156?utm_campaign=obinsite Civilian-available AR-15s aren’t automatic weapons First, the Times calls the AR-15 “the civilian version of the military’s M-16.” The M-16 is a machine gun, that throughout most of its history – and certainly in popular understanding – has been a fully-automatic weapon. When you squeeze the trigger on an automatic weapon, bullets keep firing out of it until you stop squeezing. The U.S. military has shied away from automatic firing, and the newest M-16s have other settings – three-shot burst (which, relative to the automatic setting, preserves ammo and inculcates more discipline among soldiers in combat) and semi-automatic. AR-15s that are legal to buy do not have the three-shot burst that the military’s current M-16s have. They also don’t have the automatic-fire option that most people associate with the M-16. [update: I should have made it clearer that the M-16s the U.S. military buys today do not have the automatic option.]
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