B-Large Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 If you can guarantee me that all guns will be removed from society, that none will be introduced by black markets in the future, that violent crime will cease to exist, and that those in positions of authority will never abuse that authority then I will gladly support a gun ban and peacefully surrender my firearms. I wouldn't stand in line to sell your guns back quite yet then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Who was advocating repeal of #2?? I don't think I've heard anyone say that here +1 Weren't we (the board) just talking about absolutism in another thread? People like RK then retreat right back to the destructive absolutism we are calling into question. WTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 +1 Weren't we (the board) just talking about absolutism in another thread? People like RK then retreat right back to the destructive absolutism we are calling into question. WTF! No, he was offering what you guys always want---a compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 No, he was offering what you guys always want---a compromise. A "compromise" with two absolute bookends. Huh, you for real? I usually, don't haul off... But you are a !@#$ing idiot. For once can't you NOT be a partisan hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 A "compromise" with two absolute bookends. Huh, you for real? I usually, don't haul off... But you are a !@#$ing idiot. For once can't you NOT be a partisan hack. You're such a little twerp, pretending you even understand the English language and how to use it, is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 You're such a little twerp, pretending you even understand the English language and how to use it, is hilarious. Who are you? It is you that does not understand. I understand it, never said or implied I didn't. Are you for real? Wow... Just wow... My God... You had to be conjoined w/Rich @ birth! I see the operation went terribly wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 No, he was offering what you guys always want---a compromise. But not too many Democrats are advocating repealing the 2nd amendment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 bloomberg was great on the subject on meet the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 bloomberg was great on the subject on meet the press. we can't regulate ourselves out of all problems, ie banning 24OZ mountain dews, but he has some good points. There were many at the roundtable today who had excellent input.... George Will stated the assault weapons ban had little effect on violence, I will research that tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) we can't regulate ourselves out of all problems, ie banning 24OZ mountain dews, but he has some good points. There were many at the roundtable today who had excellent input.... George Will stated the assault weapons ban had little effect on violence, I will research that tomorrow. don't know why anyone listens to bill bennett. aren't casinos open on sunday? seriously, i liked bloomberg's analogy when it was pointed out that regulation wouldn't stop all incidents. he said that speed limits don't stop all accidents but nobody is seriously talking about removing them. Edited December 17, 2012 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 don't know why anyone listens to bill bennett. aren't casinos open on sunday? seriously, i liked bloomberg's analogy when it was pointed out that regulation wouldn't stop all incidents. he said that speed limits don't stop all accidents but nobody is seriously talking about removing them. First of all, he's wrong about the "changing or ending the legislation" bit. Secondly, it's far more realistic to attempt bans or restrictions on public activities than private activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 +1 Weren't we (the board) just talking about absolutism in another thread? People like RK then retreat right back to the destructive absolutism we are calling into question. WTF! Someone (I think in another thread) called for a repeal of the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I have a theory in response to your question, which is this: over the past century, and particularly since the 1950s, the traditional authority structures have largely dissolved. Human freedom has increased. With that freedom brings a paranoia that is unique to modern existence. It used to be that the king would f- you, and you hated his guts, but at least you knew who was f-ing you and who to hate and revolt against. In modern times, it's never clear who is behind the curtain, because it's no one person or group - instead, we're bounded by a tightly-woven and intricate web of power relationships, where no one has the upper hand completely. This provokes a unique kind of madness; the result is rage in desperate search of a target. I personally don't see any difference between Dylan Kleebold and Muhammed Atta - I doubt either really believed in God or the worthiness of his cause. My theory is that both of them had overflowing rage, were unstable, and/or just liked killing people; each went in search of a moral sanction to justify their desires, found some screwy ideal to latch onto, and pulled the trigger. Put it another way, people are freer than ever but have less control over their lives than ever. It's the paradox of modernity and it drives rage and mental anguish. Just my theory. Not at all. I am in favor of repealing the Second Amendment, not violating it. I am not in favor of repealing the First Amendment. I don't think there is anything inconsistent about that. Someone (I think in another thread) called for a repeal of the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Lott-guns-Connecticut-shooting/2012/12/15/id/467903?s=al&promo_code=111C9-1 "Banning gun-free zones and allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons could help eliminate mass shootings at schools, John R. Lott, one of the nation's leading gun experts, tells Newsmax in an exclusive interview Saturday. Lott, an author and college professor, told Newsmax that gun-free zones become “a magnet” for deranged killers who hope to burn their names into the history books by running up a big body count. Lott’s landmark book "More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws" is in its 3rd edition. He told Newsmax there is a “very good chance” the Connecticut school shooting could have been averted, if teachers there were permitted to carry concealed handguns. It is no accident, he said, that mass shootings repeatedly have occurred in designated gun-free zones, which attract lunatics looking to murder as many souls as possible before they turn their guns on themselves." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Meathead wants the PPP to live in a cube, float through space and assimilate words.... Interesting angle here yeah they got me figgered out thats for sure all pathetic kidding aside, im referring to things like the teachings of contemporary sprituality versus the overemphasis on individuality that infects american culture. americans dont see it bc they are immersed in it, but its dysfunctional to be so completely fixated on total individuality. its essentially at the core of the american style and it has negative consequences bc its simply taken too far. there isnt the proper balance between the individual and the collective. you could say that places like china and japan have gone too far the other way, but at least those places have dramatically lower crime rates, which is relevant not surprisingly, this issue doesnt resonate with many americans - which is the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 yeah they got me figgered out thats for sure all pathetic kidding aside, im referring to things like the teachings of contemporary sprituality versus the overemphasis on individuality that infects american culture. americans dont see it bc they are immersed in it, but its dysfunctional to be so completely fixated on total individuality. its essentially at the core of the american style and it has negative consequences bc its simply taken too far. there isnt the proper balance between the individual and the collective. you could say that places like china and japan have gone too far the other way, but at least those places have dramatically lower crime rates, which is relevant not surprisingly, this issue doesnt resonate with many americans - which is the point Nice post. Very nice post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 yeah but you watch, there will be many that come here and say this is tree hugging nonsense and dismiss it out of hand. and thus the cycle continues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) yeah but you watch, there will be many that come here and say this is tree hugging nonsense and dismiss it out of hand. and thus the cycle continues Tree hugging? No. Weird? Yes. EiI agreeing with you proves that. Edited December 17, 2012 by Jim in Anchorage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Tree hugging? No. Weird? Yes. EiI agreeing with you proves that. More like Eil agreeing with Meathead. I said I agreed with him, cut the poor guy some slack... Not their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 More like Eil agreeing with Meathead. I said I agreed with him, cut the poor guy some slack... Not their fault. Does posting all night while working at a federal job at that, cause random sentences to be thrown in a bag, shaken up , and posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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