truth on hold Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. http://m.theatlantic.com/international/print/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Think Japanese culture played a role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 In getting rid of the guns, yeah. I'm counting on a similar cultural change in America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Just what we needed, a third thread on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 A land without azzholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Think Japanese culture played a role? Most likely, yes. It reminds me of people touting the UK's statistics on gun crime since their ban. Sure, its low. But the question no one ever asks is what that their homicide rates were *prior* to the ban. And, of course, they were almost identical. The point simply being, the UK never really had a problem to begin with and I suspect that's true in a lot of these cases with foreign nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Most likely, yes. It reminds me of people touting the UK's statistics on gun crime since their ban. Sure, its low. But the question no one ever asks is what that their homicide rates were *prior* to the ban. And, of course, they were almost identical. The point simply being, the UK never really had a problem to begin with and I suspect that's true in a lot of these cases with foreign nations. Very good, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 this is exactly the point i made in the other thread lets focus what the real problem is, a culture that centers on toughness and individuality and violence. even our gd national anthem is about what - violence. we reward the aggressive, the individualistic above the collective, the self above all else. we have created an echo chamber centric media and social networking system that allows people to exist comfortably in their bubble and never get exposed to anything else. we trumpet 'american exceptionalism' as if we have some natural inborn superiority and expect everyone to toe the line in agreement its sick. and it contributes directly to stuff like this happening. i really dont see any coincidence that america trumps all other countries combined in mass murders like this until we are ready to turn a mirror on ourselves and see the warts all over our arrogant faces this crap will continue to haunt us we would need a complete sea change in our culture to be able to implement anything remotely similar to this kind of gun control and thats just a bridge too far. theres absolutely no way we could make that kind of transition in anything less than two hundred years we do need to make the effort, though, by starting with moving away from the total adherance to individualistic centricity and having a better respect for the collective. and the best way to do that right now is by ending this ridiculous political culture war that has ensnared us ever since 9/11 made us revert back to primitive base instincts. that kind of partisanship, after all, is really just an extension of the self, a sick projection of our selfish lower tendencies into what we convince ourselves is a collective. but it isnt, its really just clanship, a bunch of people we can be selfish with, who will pat us on the back and reward us for it, making us even more sure it is our right and duty to defeat 'those people' think about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Japanese suicide rates are 10 fold what they are in the U.S. In a study going back 70 years The Society for Twisted Statistics found that the Japanese held life in lower esteem than what the American citizen did. Follow-up interviews with the participants were not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 this is exactly the point i made in the other thread we would need a complete sea change in our culture to be able to implement anything remotely similar to this kind of gun control and thats just a bridge too far. theres absolutely no way we could make that kind of transition in anything less than two hundred years we do need to make the effort, though, by starting with moving away from the total adherance to individualistic centricity and having a better respect for the collective. and the best way to do that right now is by ending this ridiculous political culture war that has ensnared us ever since 9/11 made us revert back to primitive base instincts. that kind of partisanship, after all, is really just an extension of the self, a sick projection of our selfish lower tendencies into what we convince ourselves is a collective. but it isnt, its really just clanship, a bunch of people we can be selfish with, who will pat us on the back and reward us for it, making us even more sure it is our right and duty to defeat 'those people' think about it What the hell does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 the fact that you dont know is the tragic part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Most likely, yes. It reminds me of people touting the UK's statistics on gun crime since their ban. Sure, its low. But the question no one ever asks is what that their homicide rates were *prior* to the ban. And, of course, they were almost identical. The point simply being, the UK never really had a problem to begin with and I suspect that's true in a lot of these cases with foreign nations. Excellent point Along similar lines: http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=4618 Gun control zealots compare the United States and England to show that murder rates are lower where restrictions on ownership of firearms are more severe. But you could just as easily compare Switzerland and Germany, the Swiss having lower murder rates than the Germans, even though gun ownership is three times higher in Switzerland. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand and Finland. the fact that you dont know is the tragic part Actually, your statement could be interpreted a number of ways and I was looking for clarification. Instead I got this bull **** response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 What the hell does that mean? We need to be more like the Borg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Methinks most rational folks would conclude that if the police were to confiscate guns, they'd quite likely be knocking on the doors of law abiding gun owners who are licensed to buy, own, and carry firearms first. That action would disarm the law abiding peaceful gun owners and do absolutely nothing to get illegal guns off the streets. The ownership of illegally possessed firearms would skyrocket. Only criminals would therefore have guns and probably not too many would be voluntarily handed in to law enforcement. Formerly law abiding citizens will also be made into criminals by not handing in their legally purchased and licensed property. How does foo-foo concept of a gun-free nation make any of us any safer? Having a gun-free nation is about as naive as thinking a drug/violence free school zone is going to protect our children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Excellent point Along similar lines: http://www.federalob...ve.php?aid=4618 " ... gun ownership in Israel and Switzerland has decreased. For instance, in Israel, they’re very limited in who is able to own a gun. There are only a few tens of thousands of legal guns in Israel, and the only people allowed to own them legally live in the settlements, do business in the settlements, or are in professions at risk of violence. Both countries require you to have a reason to have a gun. There isn’t this idea that you have a right to a gun. You need a reason. And then you need to go back to the permitting authority every six months or so to assure them the reason is still valid." http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/mythbusting-israel-and-switzerland-are-not-gun-toting-utopias/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 What the hell does that mean? Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. We need to be more like the Borg. Damn you, beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. Damn you, beat me to it! Meathead wants the PPP to live in a cube, float through space and assimilate words.... Interesting angle here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Ill tell you what, libs. Repeal the Second Amendment. Ban all guns. Here is what I want in trade... Overturn Roe vs. Wade. And all illegal aliens must be deported. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Ill tell you what, libs. Repeal the Second Amendment. Ban all guns. Here is what I want in trade... Overturn Roe vs. Wade. And all illegal aliens must be deported. Deal? Who was advocating repeal of #2?? I don't think I've heard anyone say that here Oh, I guess J6P was..... It's doesn't solve the issue though Edited December 16, 2012 by B-Large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 If you can guarantee me that all guns will be removed from society, that none will be introduced by black markets in the future, that violent crime will cease to exist, and that those in positions of authority will never abuse that authority then I will gladly support a gun ban and peacefully surrender my firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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