LeviF Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Actually I used your own argument to its inherent and absurd logical extreme. The deflection was all yours. lol Nice try. Nobody can defend themselves on school property. They are at the mercy of these sick !@#$s when they come around with a couple of guns. One armed and trained teacher prevents or lessen this tragedy. Instead, you want to accept and promote a culture of passive, perpetual victims. You want to make more defenseless people. More "gun-free" areas. Awesome. We can tell this has worked. History tells us so. Other cultures, incomparable to ours, tell us this has worked. You want us to surrender our freedoms because a few !@#$s out of 300 million people decide to take advantage of our weaknesses.
Coach Tuesday Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Do you think that there may be other factors contributing to the non-statistics that you quoted? I'll just throw one out there. How do demographics affect gun violence rates in various countries? Canada is possibly more diverse than the U.S.
Gene Frenkle Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 lol Nice try. Nobody can defend themselves on school property. They are at the mercy of these sick !@#$s when they come around with a couple of guns. One armed and trained teacher prevents or lessen this tragedy. Instead, you want to accept and promote a culture of passive, perpetual victims. You want to make more defenseless people. More "gun-free" areas. Awesome. We can tell this has worked. History tells us so. Other cultures, incomparable to ours, tell us this has worked. You want us to surrender our freedoms because a few !@#$s out of 300 million people decide to take advantage of our weaknesses. OR...if mom hadn't been able to buy these weapons legally in the first place, son wouldn't have been able to steal them and shoot up the school. Yes, let's arm all the teachers. What could possible go wrong? Classic...
meazza Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Canada is possibly more diverse than the U.S. There is no gun violence in Canada?
LeviF Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 OR...if mom hadn't been able to buy these weapons legally in the first place, son wouldn't have been able to steal them and shoot up the school. Yes, let's arm all the teachers. What could possible go wrong? Classic... Yeah, and if my mom hadn't been prescribed oxys legally, I wouldn't have been able to steal any and get high. But wait, you're saying there are extra-legal means of obtaining pills? No !@#$ing way.
Gene Frenkle Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Yeah, and if my mom hadn't been prescribed oxys legally, I wouldn't have been able to steal any and get high. But wait, you're saying there are extra-legal means of obtaining pills? No !@#$ing way. Fewer guns = fewer shootings, wouldn't you agree? Supply and demand?
LeviF Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Fewer guns = fewer shootings, wouldn't you agree? Supply and demand? We talking about total shootings? If so, I agree. Not so sure about mass shootings like this.
3rdnlng Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Canada is possibly more diverse than the U.S. I know Toronto is diverse, but that doesn't necessarilly answer the question. Let's use caucasians for example. Are the Swiss immigrants more violent than the Norwegian or the American growing up in a compound in Idaho? Don't forget that demographics also include age, income, sex, education, etc. We got into this here at the time of the summer camp massacre in Norway. You'd be surprised that certain segments of our population, even though they had more access to firearms, had no more violence than the same segment in Norway. So, saying gun violence is lower in countries that have stricter gun control may be true but not because of the stricter gun control.
Gene Frenkle Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 We talking about total shootings? If so, I agree. Not so sure about mass shootings like this. Nope, pretty much any shootings. Probably mass shootings too, but maybe not. I doubt they'd go up. It'd be an interesting experiment.
3rdnlng Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Fewer guns = fewer shootings, wouldn't you agree? Supply and demand? So, if you took all the guns away from the legal, responsible owners there would be less guns, right? Do you think that means there would be less shootings or more? Just maybe the bad guys wouldn't have any fear of whipping out their guns since they know they aren't going to get shot.
Gene Frenkle Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 So, if you took all the guns away from the legal, responsible owners there would be less guns, right? Do you think that means there would be less shootings or more? Just maybe the bad guys wouldn't have any fear of whipping out their guns since they know they aren't going to get shot. It's a tired argument, dude. The other countries of the world have proved it wrong. Time to let it go.
B-Man Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 It's a tired argument, dude. Yeah, but he has been posting here longer. so he must be right............................................lol .
3rdnlng Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 It's a tired argument, dude. The other countries of the world have proved it wrong. Time to let it go. The other countries of the world have not proved it wrong. If you are only looking at gun control laws as the determination of the amount of gun violence, you are missing the other dozen factors contributing to it. Do yourself a favor, look into demographics and how they play out here.
Jim in Anchorage Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 lol Nice try. Nobody can defend themselves on school property. They are at the mercy of these sick !@#$s when they come around with a couple of guns. One armed and trained teacher prevents or lessen this tragedy. Instead, you want to accept and promote a culture of passive, perpetual victims. You want to make more defenseless people. More "gun-free" areas. Awesome. We can tell this has worked. History tells us so. Other cultures, incomparable to ours, tell us this has worked. You want us to surrender our freedoms because a few !@#$s out of 300 million people decide to take advantage of our weaknesses. Spot on post.
Adam Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 lol Nice try. Nobody can defend themselves on school property. They are at the mercy of these sick !@#$s when they come around with a couple of guns. One armed and trained teacher prevents or lessen this tragedy. Instead, you want to accept and promote a culture of passive, perpetual victims. You want to make more defenseless people. More "gun-free" areas. Awesome. We can tell this has worked. History tells us so. Other cultures, incomparable to ours, tell us this has worked. You want us to surrender our freedoms because a few !@#$s out of 300 million people decide to take advantage of our weaknesses. While it doesn't help much to take away our second ammendment rights and lead to the culture you mention, we also don't want a vigilante culture either. What is the solution?
NoSaint Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) Fewer guns = fewer shootings, wouldn't you agree? Supply and demand? Fewer cars = less crashes Fewer burgers = fewer heart attacks Less booze = fewer accidents Smaller sodas = less diabetes Less knives = fewer stabbings We allow all kinds of things that can make society incrementally more dangerous, less healthy, etc.... Edited December 15, 2012 by NoSaint
LeviF Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 While it doesn't help much to take away our second ammendment rights and lead to the culture you mention, we also don't want a vigilante culture either. What is the solution? What GG said. It's somewhere in the middle. Hell if I know where that is.
....lybob Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 While it doesn't help much to take away our second ammendment rights and lead to the culture you mention, we also don't want a vigilante culture either. What is the solution? Mandatory body armor worn outside the house, Mandatory steel doors on classrooms with remote locking from teachers desk
Adam Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Mandatory body armor worn outside the house, Mandatory steel doors on classrooms with remote locking from teachers desk Yep. Then they get more powerful guns or other weapons.
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