KOKBILLS Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 How the heck does Te'o fall to 11th? If his 40 time is slow it can happen... Some feel he may be a 4.8 guy...Others feel he will run much faster after dropping the weight...But a 4.8 would hurt him big time...I don't think it would drop him out of the top 15, but ILB's that run that slow rarely go top 5... I've said here before that Te'o, to me, is far more Rey Maualuga than Ray Lewis...And that's not necessarily a terrible thing...It would still be a HUGE upgrade for the Bills...But I don't see Te'o as a top tier NFL LB just yet...I want to see how he runs first... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 If his 40 time is slow it can happen... Some feel he may be a 4.8 guy...Others feel he will run much faster after dropping the weight...But a 4.8 would hurt him big time...I don't think it would drop him out of the top 15, but ILB's that run that slow rarely go top 5... I've said here before that Te'o, to me, is far more Rey Maualuga than Ray Lewis...And that's not necessarily a terrible thing...It would still be a HUGE upgrade for the Bills...But I don't see Te'o as a top tier NFL LB just yet...I want to see how he runs first... There are scouts that share the same feeling and they are concerned about his ability to operate in space. He's no Keuchly. Not even close. 'Bama will be the test for him. If he shows well against that OL and those RBs, he'll help himself. If not, his combine and pro days will be critical to his draft position. GO BILLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Buffalo Bills Record: 5-8 Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame The Bills could be in the market for a quarterback depending on how they feel about Ryan Fitzpatrick after this season, but there's no way Barkley has the arm to play in Buffalo in the winter. There is also no wide receiver worth taking this high to fill their need at that position. Te'o would give the team another young defensive leader up the middle with DTMarcell Dareus. He's a three-down linebacker who can handle the point of attack against the run and has shown plenty of ability in underneath coverage. I'd love to see this! Only one QB, Geno Smith, in the first round 8th to Arizona. 1) Star Lotuleilei, KC 2) DeMontre Moore, Jax 3)Bjoern Warner, Oak 4) Luke Joeckel, Philly 5) Jonathan Hankins, Car Mingo, Milliner, Smith, Lewan and Warmack round out the top ten. I would love Te'o but I can't imagine he slides that far. The Bills desperately need a difference-making 3-down LB. Edited December 13, 2012 by BobChalmers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I staunchly disagree with any draft approach that doesn't have us taking the best remaining qb on the board when our turn comes up. If the staff determines that the best qb for us doesn't meet the draft value point then move down a tad and take the qb you favor. If Barkley or any other qb has limitations that don't justify their selection then take a better prospect. Common sense dictates that you will get a better qb prospect in round one compared to a later round. For this qb starved franchise it is more than a player value issue; it is a position value issue. That is the perspective that this staff has to take. How many qbs are we going to let pass that ultimately end up prospering on other teams? Enough is enough of this nonsense! If you're implying that taking a QB needs to be the Bills' first, second, and third offseason priority, then I wholeheartedly agree. There's one thing I may see a bit differently though. If the best QBs in the draft are supposed to go, say, 5th, 12th, and 20th, and if the Bills are picking 8th, I'd rather have them trade up to #5 for the best QB, than trade down to #12 for the second-best. I also have a good feeling about Barkley, and would approve of his selection even if they take him a bit earlier than he's expected to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 The mock-drafter absolutely has to be a wishcasting Bills diehard. First of all, he's got Buffalo drafting just outside of the top ten; secondly, he's got Te'o falling to 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 AJ Hawk was supposed to be the best coming out of college but he's just a nice average to above average lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Yes, we should pass on a stud LB prospect to draft a potential franchise qb prospect. The issue isn't player ranking so much as position value and rankings combined. A second round rated qb who is also considered a legitimate franchise qb prospect has much more value to this bedraggled franchise. Dalton and Kaepernick were both second round rated players. Both indisputably have more value to the Bills than a higher rated LB. There are creative ways to maneuver in the draft to fill a critical qb need. If you like a particular qb prospect but believe that the value isn't there at your draft position then be flexible and move down a bit if you can still acquire that same player. If you believe that you will risk losing that particular qb then keep the pick and take the qb you rated the highest. It is much more important for the Bills to take the highest rated qb on the board than to wait at a lower round to pick a lower rated qb. If the Bills continue to stop the run by playing weak running teams (except Seattle this week), our front office will have a wrong idea that our Run defense is fixed with Sheppard and Barnett and will probably pick another Safety at the top of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 If the Bills continue to stop the run by playing weak running teams (except Seattle this week), our front office will have a wrong idea that our Run defense is fixed with Sheppard and Barnett and will probably pick another Safety at the top of the draft. I hear what you're saying but our LBs and their suckitude is just too hard to deny. GO BILLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 How the heck does Te'o fall to 11th? Exactly. Won't happen don't even think it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 If you're implying that taking a QB needs to be the Bills' first, second, and third offseason priority, then I wholeheartedly agree. That's exactly what I am saying. If the Bills don't come out of this draft with the best qb prospect available when they are making the first pick then they have failed in their responsibilities. I wouldn't be surprised if the business side of the operation "compels" the football side staff prior to the draft to take a qb early in the draft for business reasons that have to do with ticket sales. Even "country" Buddy is sophisticated enough to know that the NFL is as much to do with business as it does with football. There's one thing I may see a bit differently though. If the best QBs in the draft are supposed to go, say, 5th, 12th, and 20th, and if the Bills are picking 8th, I'd rather have them trade up to #5 for the best QB, than trade down to #12 for the second-best. I also have a good feeling about Barkley, and would approve of his selection even if they take him a bit earlier than he's expected to go. I don't see Buddy taking a creative approach in moving up in the draft. He simply lacks the imagination and the wherewithal to make a bold move similar to what Shanahan did last year to acquire RGIII. He is who he is so let's not elevate our expectations beyond being realistic. With respect to Barkley or any other prospect all I can say is that they need to do their due diligence in ranking the qbs and then have the courage to act on their convictions. From my perspective no matter what good Nix has done to upgrade the roster that effort is being wasted by not having a credible qb taking the snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I'd prefer LB Jones from Georgia, and then Landry Jones in the 2nd round. Plus, I don't trust any mock that has Mingo ahead of Jones and Te'o. Jarvis Jones will be LONG gone by the time the Bills pick - don't kid yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearc012 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Manti Te'o had a precipitous fall in the draft as time goes on. He is without peer in the character/leadership department. But there are major concerns about his game translating to the next level, chiefly his speed to the hole and his ability to play in space. The 'Bama game will be telling. It's the best OL he'll have faced all season. They will put a hat on him like nobody else. If he does well against them and has a good combine and pro day, then his stock won't fall at all. I hope he does great and proves himself. GO BILLS!!! Are you serious? Have you seen him this year? Dropped 10-15 lbs before the season, is phenomenal in coverage, true sideline to sideline tackler. I have not seen a single concern raised about his ability to play in space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoutbox Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 How the heck does Te'o fall to 11th? By having a ridiculous mock draft. That's how. A more realistic option would be Alabama's CJ Mosley. He's a 3-down 4-3 WOLB with definite Pro Bowl potential and high character. He'll probably get drafted somewhere between picks 10 and 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 How the heck does Te'o fall to 11th? ^^^^THIS^^^^ You might as well start threads about us trading Fitzmiss for a first round pick because that has about the same chance of Teo falling to 11. Teo will be a top 5 pick, likely top 3 and possibly #1 overall. He won't be there at 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 There's zero percent chance one QB goes in the first round. I'll bet 3 go in the first as teams always reach for a QB's As for getting Te'o, the Bills pick 11th? So no way are they gonna draft a kid ranked 5th overall. Especially considering only 2 LBers are ranked in the top 17. Tyler Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widerightradio Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 If the goal is to make the playoffs (worthy, I'll admit), then draft an LB. If the goal is to win the Super Bowl, start drafting QBs with first round draft picks. The Bills should be using a first, second, or third round pick on a QB at least every other year until they find a guy who they think can win it all. I'm not a Fitz hater, but unless we have a Ravens/Bucs style defense circa 2000 he's not going to be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 That's exactly what I am saying. If the Bills don't come out of this draft with the best qb prospect available when they are making the first pick then they have failed in their responsibilities. I wouldn't be surprised if the business side of the operation "compels" the football side staff prior to the draft to take a qb early in the draft for business reasons that have to do with ticket sales. Even "country" Buddy is sophisticated enough to know that the NFL is as much to do with business as it does with football. I don't see Buddy taking a creative approach in moving up in the draft. He simply lacks the imagination and the wherewithal to make a bold move similar to what Shanahan did last year to acquire RGIII. He is who he is so let's not elevate our expectations beyond being realistic. With respect to Barkley or any other prospect all I can say is that they need to do their due diligence in ranking the qbs and then have the courage to act on their convictions. From my perspective no matter what good Nix has done to upgrade the roster that effort is being wasted by not having a credible qb taking the snaps. You and I are definitely on the same page. > He simply lacks the imagination and the wherewithal to make a bold move similar to what Shanahan did last > year to acquire RGIII. He is who he is so let's not elevate our expectations beyond being realistic. I hear what you're saying. In discussions like this, I like to think about what I would do, if I were in a GM's place. If the Bills' GM does a worse job than I would have done, I'd feel disappointment. If the Bills' GM should ever do a better job than the one I would have done, I would feel pleasantly surprised. The Bills need to have a GM who makes better decisions than the ones I would make, were I in his place. They haven't had a GM like that since Polian, which is why this team hasn't made the playoffs in over a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I staunchly disagree with any draft approach that doesn't have us taking the best remaining qb on the board when our turn comes up. If the staff determines that the best qb for us doesn't meet the draft value point then move down a tad and take the qb you favor. If Barkley or any other qb has limitations that don't justify their selection then take a better prospect. Common sense dictates that you will get a better qb prospect in round one compared to a later round. For this qb starved franchise it is more than a player value issue; it is a position value issue. That is the perspective that this staff has to take. How many qbs are we going to let pass that ultimately end up prospering on other teams? Enough is enough of this nonsense! This is the thinking that got us JP Losman. I want a new QB as much as the next guy, but getting desperate and taking a marginal QB in round 1 puts us in the same spot we are now 3 years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I like him, and I think that we have a chance at him: KC - needs a QB (most thinking Geno Smith) Jags - don't think they are satisfied with Gabbert, possible QB pick, also have Poz. Raiders - need a QB Titans - Prob set at QB, but could draft after us, and is likely. Panthers - Took Kuchely lasy year, will they take another MLB? Saints - Have Vilma, but could grab Teo if the draft ahead of us, big if. Cardinals - need a QB badly. Chargers - could take a LB or QB, likely to draft after Bills especially with the win last week. Lions - have drafted heavy on D, and likely picking after the Bills Eagles - Could steal Teo, but again, very well could be drafting after us. My dream scenario would be to grab Teo if available, and trade back up to early second round and grab a QB, any will do right now, and like somebody else mentioned, keep drafting a QB early every draft until we get it right. So right now, the only semi-locks to draft ahead of us are KC, JAGs, and possibly the Raiders. I see only the Jags as a possibility to snag Teo, and they have other pressing needs, and again Poz, who I think they are happy with, and he still has to have a few years left on his current contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Te'o lasting until the eleventh pick? I doubt it. If we lose out we might be in contention for him, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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