Ravens fire Cam Cameron (O Coordinator)

[nucci]

Ravens fired Cam Cameron because of a two game skid. Just two straight losses, and one was an OT loss.This guy Cameron was very good in San Diego as OC, Shottenheimer as HC and Wade as DC. He was good enough to get a HC job with Miami (who never gave him long enough to develop much with a lousy roster...)

 

Do you think this would ever happen in Buffalo?

Gailey is 15-30 as a head coach, yet he is as safe as ever...

How on earth is he still here?

If there was no talent on the roster, it MIGHT make sense, be we have talent!

 

It just shows some teams are serious about winning and some are not:

http://www.usatoday....ldwell/1758575/

It wasn't just the 2 game skid. it is much more than that. Complaints about the offense go back to last year.

[Bufcomments]

One franchise wants to win, the other doesn't care to win

You mean an owner that's not healthy enough to care. You never see Ralph at the games anymore. For whatever reason.

 

But your right, we don't know how to win from top to bottom.

[Mr. WEO]

It wasn't just the 2 game skid. it is much more than that. Complaints about the offense go back to last year.

 

Yeah, Jim Caldwell should fix all that.....

[BuffaloBillsForever]

So Jim Caldwell is essentially going to be a puppet OC for Harbaugh like he was a puppet HC for Manning....

[KeisterHollow]

what change do you make today that improves the situation?

 

i want names, how it helps, and why now is better than in a few weeks and not just "it couldnt be any worse"

 

 

for the ravens it would work like this: Lets get rid of cameron because he isnt calling good games down the playoff stretch. we need to do it now because it will hopefully improve our odds to win in the playoffs as we have an experienced veteran coach in jim caldwell ready and he is willing and able to execute our coaches vision with a few weeks to prepare for that run.

 

thats a bit ballsy, but its well reasoned and a calculated choice too.

 

for the bills it currently sounds like: im pissed fire them all i dont care who takes over, it couldnt be worse and it needs to happen now because they deserve to be punished.

 

I'm glad you ask. What should Buddy do? I'm not here to say he should fire Gailey now, but I am here to say that Gailey has underperformed, and in contrast to Baltimore, we SHOULD fire him and try someone else. However, as Fans of the Bills, we are sitting here and saying, what can our franchise do? We know a lot of big name coaches WONT take the job. Yet, we know that alone doesn't mean a coach can't win in Buffalo - it just means the conditions aren't as favorable for winning here as elsewhere. I will put a name out there, though - Marty Schottenheimer. I bet he'd take the job. Why was he overlooked when Nix hired Gailey? I wonder if Marty would insist on having GM power? That would undermine Nix and it would potentially threaten Wilson. Now, if Wilson won't allow a guy who could rocket us into the playoffs because he doesn't want to have to hand over his control, well, then that is something we Fans should STOP supporting.

My argument isn't so much an argument - I'm merely putting it out there that when this season is over, if Gailey and Wanny go into next year still intact it isn't because there was no BETTER option, but rather because WINNING SuperBowls is NOT the top priority around here - and once again, we as Fans have only one way to combat that - stop supporting the team, or pay and shut up.

[mjt328]

I mentioned this in another thread.

 

Cameron was just another moron NFL coordinator that wasn't smart enough to consistently get his best player the ball.

 

He talked a lot about limiting touches for Rice to keep him fresh, and he used that as an excuse to throw all the time with Flacco.

But guess who was in the backfield, blocking 275 lb blitzing linebackers while Flacco dropped back? Yep. Ray Rice.

 

 

People say this is a passing league now, like it has something to do with quarterbacks being more talented today.

But the reality is, most coaches today don't have the DISCIPLINE or TOUGHNESS required to stick with the running game.

[Marshawn's 20 bucks]

Bring back Jauron or Gregg Williams.

[Maybe Someday]

One franchise wants to win, the other doesn't care to win

I disagree…the Bills want/hope to win…the Ravens expect to win.

[Dr. Trooth]

Oh boy. I can just envision a presser after the season. Chan comes to the podium and says "Good Morning. Buddy & I have had extensive conversations and I've decided it was best for the team that Curtis Modkins be released of his of OC duties" (rather than get my ass kicked to the curb). Chan then introduces Cameron as the OC.

 

Now... that's just fantasy folks. In reality, if you are Cam Cameron, why the hell would you want to be the Bills OC... especially knowing you have a noodle armed, inaccurate QB, no viable backup QB, and a head Coach that ain't going to allow you to be any more agressive at play calling than he is? Cam would have to be totally stupid or stone ass drunk to accept the Bills OC

 

Cam got canned because Flacco didn't develop under him. Well, Rivers sure did. Flacco has all the tools.... except, he has the Bledsoe disease... a slow ass brain!!! The word has been out for a couple of years that Flacco does not process information (his reads) and consistently release the ball on time. He needs an extra second or two to process the the read and release. Something no offensive line in the world can accomodate.

 

But all is not lost. Bills don't get Cameron, but, there is a gigundo rumor eminating from Baltimore today.... Joe Flacco will become a free agent after the season. What are the chances the Ravens will franchise him at a $16M price tag or re-up him for serious starting QB coin? Fitz is bad, I agree, but a young Bledsoe wouldn't be much different... the bottom line would be the same. But then again, Bills-Flacco seems like a typical Bills move... just like Stevie, Merriman, Mario, & FItz.... Show em the money and they get worse.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Dr. Trooth

[NoSaint]

Oh boy. I can just envision a presser after the season. Chan comes to the podium and says "Good Morning. Buddy & I have had extensive conversations and I've decided it was best for the team that Curtis Modkins be released of his of OC duties" (rather than get my ass kicked to the curb). Chan then introduces Cameron as the OC.

 

Now... that's just fantasy folks. In reality, if you are Cam Cameron, why the hell would you want to be the Bills OC... especially knowing you have a noodle armed, inaccurate QB, no viable backup QB, and a head Coach that ain't going to allow you to be any more agressive at play calling than he is? Cam would have to be totally stupid or stone ass drunk to accept the Bills OC

 

Cam got canned because Flacco didn't develop under him. Well, Rivers sure did. Flacco has all the tools.... except, he has the Bledsoe disease... a slow ass brain!!! The word has been out for a couple of years that Flacco does not process information (his reads) and consistently release the ball on time. He needs an extra second or two to process the the read and release. Something no offensive line in the world can accomodate.

 

But all is not lost. Bills don't get Cameron, but, there is a gigundo rumor eminating from Baltimore today.... Joe Flacco will become a free agent after the season. What are the chances the Ravens will franchise him at a $16M price tag or re-up him for serious starting QB coin? Fitz is bad, I agree, but a young Bledsoe wouldn't be much different... the bottom line would be the same. But then again, Bills-Flacco seems like a typical Bills move... just like Stevie, Merriman, Mario, & FItz.... Show em the money and they get worse.

 

did they get worse, or did your expectations just shoot up?

 

merriman was hurt before he got here

mario has played great since the surgery and wasnt particularly bad before even

stevie never had elite skills and and is roughly on pace for another dead on 1000 yard season

fitz was always all over the board

[Turbosrrgood]

http://profootballta...e-jim-caldwell/

 

Interesting, he seems pretty well hated in Baltimore for some reason. I don't really get it, I watched most of their games and their offense is as good as it has ever been. Sure they should be running a little more, but with their defense being old and banged up this year the O has carried them. Cameron has been pretty successful as an OC pretty much everywhere he has been. They expect Caldwell to usher in positive changes?!?!

 

Really risky, puzzling move by a team in pretty good shape going into the playoffs...

[Hatszel]

what change do you make today that improves the situation?

 

i want names, how it helps, and why now is better than in a few weeks and not just "it couldnt be any worse"

 

 

for the ravens it would work like this: Lets get rid of cameron because he isnt calling good games down the playoff stretch. we need to do it now because it will hopefully improve our odds to win in the playoffs as we have an experienced veteran coach in jim caldwell ready and he is willing and able to execute our coaches vision with a few weeks to prepare for that run.

 

thats a bit ballsy, but its well reasoned and a calculated choice too.

 

for the bills it currently sounds like: im pissed fire them all i dont care who takes over, it couldn't be worse and it needs to happen now because they deserve to be punished.

If i were Nix I would have a meeting something like this Chan, it obvious that you have called the game and worked as a head coach your whole career. If you want to remain my coach you need to find someone to manage the game for you while you are calling the offensive plays. I think you focusing on how to get CJ and your other weapons on offense the ball and taking the pressure off of Fitszpatrick would be best, Do you want to have your Quarterback coach to call offensive plays and you manage the game or do you want your Quarterbacks coach to manage the game and you call the plays?

[Fan in Chicago]

 

fitz was always all over the board

 

I don't want to hijack your thread into another Fitz discussion (but am about to do that anyway).

Your point about expectations going up is indeed correct. Rewind to the time when Trent Edwards was checking down, telegraphing plays and generally being a scared cat. People were ecstatic when he was let go and Fitz was named the starter. Then Fitz started doing better than Trent, fans adjusted and started magnifying his flaws. Fitz was always spotty and streaky - nothing has changed significantly regarding his skills. Only change in the past few games is Gailey taking some of his autonomy away.

Point of the above diatribe is that - if we are to upgrade the QB position, it better be a significant upgrade and not an incremental one. Else we will be sitting here 1-2 years later and saying how the new shiny toy sucks because he doesnt measure up to Luck, RGIII etc.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Hmm a division leading 9-4 team isn't satisfied with substandard coaching and makes a move? Yet the Bills with a disappointing 5-8 make no changes? Damn it sucks to be a Bills Fan these days. I'm so very tired of the Buddy-Chan-Fitz triumvirate. We must demand change!!!

 

And listen to Harbaugh's quote:

 

“"There is a very human side to this," Harbaugh said in a statement issued by the team. “Cam is my friend, he taught me a lot about coaching, and he is an outstanding coach. Personally, this is the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do as a coach. Cam has been a significant contributor to all of our successes over the past four, almost five, seasons. Deservedly, he is highly-regarded, and we owe thanks to him for what he did for the Ravens.

“It’s not about fair or unfair, right or wrong. My responsibility is to the whole team and what’s best for them right now. We need a change. Our plan and our goals are to win games, win our division and get to the playoffs."

 

Interesting, he seems pretty well hated in Baltimore for some reason. I don't really get it, I watched most of their games and their offense is as good as it has ever been. Sure they should be running a little more, but with their defense being old and banged up this year the O has carried them. Cameron has been pretty successful as an OC pretty much everywhere he has been. They expect Caldwell to usher in positive changes?!?!

 

Really risky, puzzling move by a team in pretty good shape going into the playoffs...

 

The Ravens I've seen are one with a predictable and uninspired offense manned by a quarterback who has seemingly stopped improving. I bet they didn't like the playcalling but I think Flacco's lack of development is a big deal too.

Edited December 10, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan

[3rdand12]

If i were Nix I would have a meeting something like this Chan, it obvious that you have called the game and worked as a head coach your whole career. If you want to remain my coach you need to find someone to manage the game for you while you are calling the offensive plays. I think you focusing on how to get CJ and your other weapons on offense the ball and taking the pressure off of Fitszpatrick would be best, Do you want to have your Quarterback coach to call offensive plays and you manage the game or do you want your Quarterbacks coach to manage the game and you call the plays?

I like this fan tastical imagery. Wouldnt that be sweet ? i have thought about some thing like this being something to consider as soon as the season ends.

 

In regard to Cam. Nope.

In regard to Flacco ? Talk to me....

[J-E-T-S-L-O-L]

A couple of points I want to clear up.

 

This has been brewing for quite a while.

 

Flacco and Cameron have never gotten along.

 

The offense has been struggling for a long time.

 

The Ravens are basicly stuck with Flacco, and they have to try something to get him going. Jim Caldwell, probably isn`t the answer, atleast not with Camerons playbook. But Cam wasn`t getting the job done.

 

Cam Cameron is not a great coordinator. He had Drew Brees for years. But Brees sucked so badly they had they had to draft Philip Rivers. What does that tell you? He only had 1 season with Rivers before leaving for Miami. So he can hardly claim any credit for either QBs development. His only valid claim to fame is Flacco, who has been average at best.

[mannc]

You should have heard the talk radio in Baltimore this morning...the vitriol being spewed towards Cam Cameron AND Joe Flacco for that matter. You would have thought the Ravens were 4-9 or 3-10. They will not stand for mediocrity in that town. They may even look for a new QB in the offseason.

Yes, even teams who already have "franchise" QBs in place will draft a QB prospect as high as the third or fourth round to groom for the future or in case of injury. I remember a lot of folk here (and elsewhere) mocked the Redskins for taking Cousins in the 4th round, after paying a king's ransom for RG III. No one is laughing now.

[J-E-T-S-L-O-L]

Oh boy. I can just envision a presser after the season. Chan comes to the podium and says "Good Morning. Buddy & I have had extensive conversations and I've decided it was best for the team that Curtis Modkins be released of his of OC duties" (rather than get my ass kicked to the curb). Chan then introduces Cameron as the OC.

 

Now... that's just fantasy folks. In reality, if you are Cam Cameron, why the hell would you want to be the Bills OC... especially knowing you have a noodle armed, inaccurate QB, no viable backup QB, and a head Coach that ain't going to allow you to be any more agressive at play calling than he is? Cam would have to be totally stupid or stone ass drunk to accept the Bills OC

 

Cam got canned because Flacco didn't develop under him. Well, Rivers sure did. Flacco has all the tools.... except, he has the Bledsoe disease... a slow ass brain!!! The word has been out for a couple of years that Flacco does not process information (his reads) and consistently release the ball on time. He needs an extra second or two to process the the read and release. Something no offensive line in the world can accomodate.

 

But all is not lost. Bills don't get Cameron, but, there is a gigundo rumor eminating from Baltimore today.... Joe Flacco will become a free agent after the season. What are the chances the Ravens will franchise him at a $16M price tag or re-up him for serious starting QB coin? Fitz is bad, I agree, but a young Bledsoe wouldn't be much different... the bottom line would be the same. But then again, Bills-Flacco seems like a typical Bills move... just like Stevie, Merriman, Mario, & FItz.... Show em the money and they get worse.

 

Rivers had 1 season with Cam Cameron. Where Rivers basicly played like Alex Smith did last year, but with 2 elite weapons. Drew Brees improved significantly after leaving Camerons offense, despite the Chargers having better weapons then the Saints. Tomlinson, Gates, Neal, great O-line.

Cam Cameron is not good.

Edited December 11, 2012 by J-E-T-S-L-O-L

[thewildrabbit]

I mentioned this in another thread.

 

Cameron was just another moron NFL coordinator that wasn't smart enough to consistently get his best player the ball.

 

He talked a lot about limiting touches for Rice to keep him fresh, and he used that as an excuse to throw all the time with Flacco.

But guess who was in the backfield, blocking 275 lb blitzing linebackers while Flacco dropped back? Yep. Ray Rice.

 

 

People say this is a passing league now, like it has something to do with quarterbacks being more talented today.

But the reality is, most coaches today don't have the DISCIPLINE or TOUGHNESS required to stick with the running game.

I honestly don't think that was the reason. My take is Cameron has had a falling out with QB Joe Flacco who was never a winner or great college QB. He just was the prototype statue pocket passer. Flacco wanted Jim Zorn his QB coach as his OC instead of Cameron, and ultimately the Ravens fired Zorn last Jan....not sure why exactly

 

The Ravens have never had a great receiver corps and Cameron wants to run more and the HC / GM wants him to turn Flacco into Tom Brady, and throw more.

 

 

I'm a fan of Cameron who has built some terrific running teams. He has had a difficult time with Flacco and his development. Everyone forgets that 2009 Ravens- Patriots playoff game in NE that the Ravens won 33-14 with 234 yards rushing. Joe Flacco was 4-10 for 34 yards no TD's, one INT yet Flacco gets credit for that playoff win

Oh boy. I can just envision a presser after the season. Chan comes to the podium and says "Good Morning. Buddy & I have had extensive conversations and I've decided it was best for the team that Curtis Modkins be released of his of OC duties" (rather than get my ass kicked to the curb). Chan then introduces Cameron as the OC.

 

Now... that's just fantasy folks. In reality, if you are Cam Cameron, why the hell would you want to be the Bills OC... especially knowing you have a noodle armed, inaccurate QB, no viable backup QB, and a head Coach that ain't going to allow you to be any more agressive at play calling than he is? Cam would have to be totally stupid or stone ass drunk to accept the Bills OC

 

Cam got canned because Flacco didn't develop under him. Well, Rivers sure did. Flacco has all the tools.... except, he has the Bledsoe disease... a slow ass brain!!! The word has been out for a couple of years that Flacco does not process information (his reads) and consistently release the ball on time. He needs an extra second or two to process the the read and release. Something no offensive line in the world can accommodate.

 

But all is not lost. Bills don't get Cameron, but, there is a gigundo rumor eminating from Baltimore today.... Joe Flacco will become a free agent after the season. What are the chances the Ravens will franchise him at a $16M price tag or re-up him for serious starting QB coin? Fitz is bad, I agree, but a young Bledsoe wouldn't be much different... the bottom line would be the same. But then again, Bills-Flacco seems like a typical Bills move... just like Stevie, Merriman, Mario, & FItz.... Show em the money and they get worse.

In a league that is moving more and more away from pocket passers, and moving more towards RG3, Cam Newton types. I can only wonder about a QB's worth that needs a wall to throw behind.

 

 

Anyway, It should be fun to watch Jim Caldwell try and turn Joe Flacco into Peyton Manning The real rumor is that the Ravens covet Norv Turner and when he is fired as the Chargers HC the Ravens will hire him as their new OC.

Edited December 11, 2012 by FeartheLosing

[J-E-T-S-L-O-L]

That's just one game though. Flacco has a 95,9 QB rating in his 53 career wins.