reddogblitz Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 And by the way, Fitzs best pass, the toss to Stevie on the right sideline, was under thrown by a solid 2 yards. Here's what I don't get. When Fitz throws a well placed back shoulder throw it's under thrown and he's a schmuck. When Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Suck for Luck do the same, it's because he put it where only his guy could get it.
stevestojan Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Here's what I don't get. When Fitz throws a well placed back shoulder throw it's under thrown and he's a schmuck. When Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Suck for Luck do the same, it's because he put it where only his guy could get it. Really? Did you see that throw? It was very under thrown and SJ just won the race to it. We are not talking a perfect corner pass over the outside shoulder "that only his guy can get." And really? Even mentioning Peyton or Brady in the same breath? Both of those guys will get mentions for best QB EVER. Fitz wasn't the second best QB for the Bengals.
Nuncha Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Did you watch Brady last night? I would call that performance outstanding. Fitz isn't even close to outstanding on his best day. Here's what I don't get. When Fitz throws a well placed back shoulder throw it's under thrown and he's a schmuck. When Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Suck for Luck do the same, it's because he put it where only his guy could get it. When was the last time you saw FItz complete a deep pass without the WR having to break stride? I seem to think it was before he signed his long term deal....... Edited December 12, 2012 by Azucho98
reddogblitz Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) Really? Did you see that throw? It was very under thrown and SJ just won the race to it. We are not talking a perfect corner pass over the outside shoulder "that only his guy can get." And really? Even mentioning Peyton or Brady in the same breath? Both of those guys will get mentions for best QB EVER. Fitz wasn't the second best QB for the Bengals. I did see it. AND I just re watched it on nfl.com. You should probably do the same. SJ didn't "win the race to it", he just turned around and the football was there. I still stand by my statement that it was a well executed back shoulder throw. How can you tell with any certainty that it was not a back shoulder and was instead under thrown? And I stand by my remark that when Brady or Manning (either one) throw a pass like this it's "only where his guy can catch it". EDIT - To change over thrown to under thrown as pointed out by K-9 below. Nice catch K-9. The play in questions is posted on nfl.com. Look at the Bills game and the video is of Stevie Johnson's 34 yard catch. Edited December 12, 2012 by reddogblitz
K-9 Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 I did see it. AND I just re watched it on nfl.com. You should probably do the same. SJ didn't "win the race to it", he just turned around and the football was there. I still stand by my statement that it was a well executed back shoulder throw. How can you tell with any certainty that it was not a back shoulder and was instead over thrown? And I stand by my remark that when Brady or Manning (either one) throw a pass like this it's "only where his guy can catch it". I didn't see the game and have no idea which play you guys are referencing but, by definition, a back shoulder throw cannot be "overthrown." Indeed, it is intentionally underthrown to take advantage of the DB's downfield momentum. GO BILLS!!!
FreakPop Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Ok, seriously, I am getting tired of this response that talks about people clamoring for an elite QB. NO ONE expects the Bills to find the next Tom Brady, a top 10 QB all time, and some consider top 5. Geezus, the over dramatization by the apologists of this fact is so annoying. You act like Fitz is so good that the only way to upgrade him is with an Elite all time best QB...get real. Any top 15 QB would be an upgrade and if we can find a guy who is accurate, can use the whole field, and not mistake prone we would be doing just fine. Do we need a Brady...no, obviously it would be great, but we don't need a Brady. Even a 2nd tier guy would be a nice upgrade from Fitz, a third tier guy. No one has some unrealistic expectation or demand to find the next HOF QB, just someone who win some games. Well, boohoo puppydog. Equally annoyed at your constant pot shots and heavy handed way you attempt to counter anybody who doesn't share your same point of view. And yes all Fitz haters want an elite QB(and I want one also) because an average Fitz isn't good enough to them.
bobobonators Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Did you watch Brady last night? I would call that performance outstanding. Fitz isn't even close to outstanding on his best day. When was the last time you saw FItz complete a deep pass without the WR having to break stride? I seem to think it was before he signed his long term deal....... a couple of weeks ago against Indy when he connected w/SJ..unfortunately SJ does not have the speed to outrun a corner when he has a 3yd jump on him.
Bronc24 Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 I did see it. AND I just re watched it on nfl.com. You should probably do the same. SJ didn't "win the race to it", he just turned around and the football was there. I still stand by my statement that it was a well executed back shoulder throw. How can you tell with any certainty that it was not a back shoulder and was instead under thrown? And I stand by my remark that when Brady or Manning (either one) throw a pass like this it's "only where his guy can catch it". EDIT - To change over thrown to under thrown as pointed out by K-9 below. Nice catch K-9. The play in questions is posted on nfl.com. Look at the Bills game and the video is of Stevie Johnson's 34 yard catch. Hate Fitz. Liked that throw.
FireChan Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Ok, seriously, I am getting tired of this response that talks about people clamoring for an elite QB. NO ONE expects the Bills to find the next Tom Brady, a top 10 QB all time, and some consider top 5. Geezus, the over dramatization by the apologists of this fact is so annoying. You act like Fitz is so good that the only way to upgrade him is with an Elite all time best QB...get real. Any top 15 QB would be an upgrade and if we can find a guy who is accurate, can use the whole field, and not mistake prone we would be doing just fine. Do we need a Brady...no, obviously it would be great, but we don't need a Brady. Even a 2nd tier guy would be a nice upgrade from Fitz, a third tier guy. No one has some unrealistic expectation or demand to find the next HOF QB, just someone who win some games. Except most of them do. Actually I'd say you're one of the few posters I've seen just looking for an upgrade, which I can agree with. We should be trying to upgrade every position always. Look how many people on this board say we need to start looking for the next HoFer in over to win in this league. It's not an over-dramatization when you're the only when that speaks with some sense, That just makes you the exception. I think a lot of the "apologists," myself included, want to make sure such an upgrade isn't a retread. I have no issues with a new QB if he's undeniably better than our current one. I just worry about our last QB choices, and hope we make some smarter ones.
K-9 Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Except most of them do. Actually I'd say you're one of the few posters I've seen just looking for an upgrade, which I can agree with. We should be trying to upgrade every position always. Look how many people on this board say we need to start looking for the next HoFer in over to win in this league. It's not an over-dramatization when you're the only when that speaks with some sense, That just makes you the exception. I think a lot of the "apologists," myself included, want to make sure such an upgrade isn't a retread. I have no issues with a new QB if he's undeniably better than our current one. I just worry about our last QB choices, and hope we make some smarter ones. Unfortunately, upgrade for many around here simply means "not Fitz." The last thing we need is a lateral move at the most important position. That said, I seriously doubt Fitz will be on the team next season. His situation has played itself out and it seldom makes sense to have your entrenched starter and team leader relegated to backup duty. He'll have that job with some other team. But I guarantee whoever the new starter is, he won't have much of a honeymoon with this crowd. GO BILLS!!!
Wayne Cubed Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Unfortunately, upgrade for many around here simply means "not Fitz." The last thing we need is a lateral move at the most important position. That said, I seriously doubt Fitz will be on the team next season. His situation has played itself out and it seldom makes sense to have your entrenched starter and team leader relegated to backup duty. He'll have that job with some other team. But I guarantee whoever the new starter is, he won't have much of a honeymoon with this crowd. GO BILLS!!! I think the problem is that Fitz has reached his limits. I personally am willing for the Bills to take a small step back, if it leaps them past where Fitz had brought them. With the defense improving over the past couple of weeks, it's possible for a rookie to come in and take his lumps and maybe the defense can hold it together. Not saying it'll happen, but it could. But the problem is, can the Bills get that right? Can they diagnose the talent and get QB with more potential and talent than Fitz? Who knows...
Cash Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 I think a lot of the "apologists," myself included, want to make sure such an upgrade isn't a retread. I have no issues with a new QB if he's undeniably better than our current one. I just worry about our last QB choices, and hope we make some smarter ones. Certainly that's a reasonable concern. Here's my take: I'd like to see the Bills as concerned about the QB position as they are about the DB position (I know that's more than one position, but still). And I mean more than just "they draft DBs #1, they should draft QBs #1 instead". I would have freaked out if they'd drafted any available QB over Dareus. (Gabbert & Locker had bust written all over them and Ponder would've, except he was such an epic reach no one was expecting him to be eligible for the bust label.) I'm all for them drafting a QB #1 or #2 if they feel there's a good guy available (obviously Aaron Williams over Dalton/Kaepernick back-to-back stings a lot in hindsight), but that's only part of the picture. I'm getting a little off track, so let me try to summarize. Fitz is not the biggest problem we have, but he is *a* problem. We want/need a better starting QB. In hindsight, it was a mistake to sign him to that contract extension, though I was fine with it at the time. I would hate to see that same kind of commitment given to a retread like Alex Smith or Kyle Orton or whoever, but I'd rather have a Fitz-comparable retread on a short-term, cheap deal than Fitz himself. Why? That way we would have more possibilities to strike gold. Maybe we trade for Joe Webb and he beats out the retread in camp and goes on to be really good. Maybe our 2nd or 3rd round rookie beats out the retread and has a solid year, a la Dalton or Russell Wilson. Maybe the retread has a Rich Gannon (yes!) or Fitzpatrick (no!) style late-blooming renaissance, and leads us to the playoffs. Or maybe all of our QB lotto tickets lose, and we bring in some new ones the next year. The bottom line is that prior to this year, Nix/Gailey had done nothing to address upgrading the present or future of the starting QB. Levi Brown and Thigpen never had a chance to be better than decent backups. This year, Nix did make two marginal moves, both of the "retread" variety: signing Young and trading for T-Jack. Neither worked out, and that's fine, but at least there was some effort. What I'd prefer to see would be that effort combined with efforts on the draft front, and maybe on the "unproved young QB with potential" front rather than the "retread" front.
KOKBILLS Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Here's what I don't get. When Fitz throws a well placed back shoulder throw it's under thrown and he's a schmuck. When Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Suck for Luck do the same, it's because he put it where only his guy could get it. No...What you obviously don't get is that Fitz is not good enough...Period...End of story...And defending him is the greatest waste of time imaginable...WTF is wrong with folks like you? Except most of them do. Actually I'd say you're one of the few posters I've seen just looking for an upgrade, which I can agree with. We should be trying to upgrade every position always. Look how many people on this board say we need to start looking for the next HoFer in over to win in this league. It's not an over-dramatization when you're the only when that speaks with some sense, That just makes you the exception. I think a lot of the "apologists," myself included, want to make sure such an upgrade isn't a retread. I have no issues with a new QB if he's undeniably better than our current one. I just worry about our last QB choices, and hope we make some smarter ones. I disagree with your 1st statement...To say most posters here are looking for the next Brady is a bit ridiculous...It's the typical over-exaggeration that brings this board down to gutter-level most of the time...Most poster want a better QB than Fitz...Which, to be perfectly honest, is really not asking for much...The majority of poster on this board are level headed...Not the other way around...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) if someone was lame enought to put together an amish rifle "not so highlight" film it would be pretty brutal.....keep slinging mud on other qb's due to the fact fitz is so putrid......... it doesn't really help his cause. Cutler 8-5 playoff bound with no OL whatsoever. It doesn't really help your cause to say Fitz is putrid. - I'm not a big Fitz fan at al but I'm not silly (dumb) enough to say that fitz is putrid. He can be a very good QB at times. It's just that he has a knack of falling apart in chrunch time. Edited December 12, 2012 by BillsFan-4-Ever
Maury Ballstein Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 It doesn't really help your cause to say Fitz is putrid. - I'm not a big Fitz fan at al but I'm not silly (dumb) enough to say that fitz is putrid. He can be a very good QB at times. It's just that he has a knack of falling apart in chrunch time. go to page 9 of this thread and read curtiba's post.............he's putrid. any qb can play good at times with a good OL and great running game. he stinks, sucks, is terrible, has a girly arm, throws backbreaking INT's, is as unclutch as possible, 5-22 when he throws the ball 30 times. but he seems like a nice guy, so some all defend him way too much. This is my last negative fitz post so i got all of my adjectives to describe him out. No more Fitztalk from this guy, hopefully the organization assists me with this. homer simpletons can defend him all they want without any interference from this guy. i am out on the nonsensical Fitz is "OUTSTANDING" nonsense. flame away fitzbackers!
FireChan Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) No...What you obviously don't get is that Fitz is not good enough...Period...End of story...And defending him is the greatest waste of time imaginable...WTF is wrong with folks like you? I disagree with your 1st statement...To say most posters here are looking for the next Brady is a bit ridiculous...It's the typical over-exaggeration that brings this board down to gutter-level most of the time...Most poster want a better QB than Fitz...Which, to be perfectly honest, is really not asking for much...The majority of poster on this board are level headed...Not the other way around... You really don't read too many threads on here. There's just as many blind Fitz homers as Fitz haters, with very few moderates who make sensible posts. I understand trolls exist, but they can't all be trolling. Read a game day thread. Look at every knee-jerk, "Fred Jackson sucks cut him" after one blown up run play, or every "Cut Dareus, he's a bust" post. Hell, a while ago, the entire board was calling Spiller a bust and waste of a pick. If you think the average TBD poster is sensible, I don't know what to tell you. Although, the stupidest are usually the loudest, which has to be taken into consideration. I think the average TBD poster doesn't know how hindsight works. i.e TJ Graham over Russel Wilson argument. Fitz is good enough to be who he is. There are a few QB's who would be a lateral step to replace him with, as well as some that would be improvements. Just you watch, the next QB will be compared to being not as good as Fitz in 2 years. Mortal lock. Edited December 13, 2012 by FireChan
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) go to page 9 of this thread and read curtiba's post.............he's putrid. any qb can play good at times with a good OL and great running game. he stinks, sucks, is terrible, has a girly arm, throws backbreaking INT's, is as unclutch as possible, 5-22 when he throws the ball 30 times. but he seems like a nice guy, so some all defend him way too much. This is my last negative fitz post so i got all of my adjectives to describe him out. No more Fitztalk from this guy, hopefully the organization assists me with this. homer simpletons can defend him all they want without any interference from this guy. i am out on the nonsensical Fitz is "OUTSTANDING" nonsense. flame away fitzbackers! AGAIN I am not a Fitzbacker. ALL I SAID is that he is not PUTIRD all of the time.Read the stats from Sunday 25-of-33 passes for 247 yards. 8 MISSES/DROPS!!!! That's a 76% completion rate!!! For some reason since signing the contract he's been very bad in the clutch situations late in games. Edited December 13, 2012 by BillsFan-4-Ever
Maury Ballstein Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 AGAIN I am not a Fitzbacker. ALL I SAID is that he is not PUTIRD all of the time. Read the stats from Sunday 25-of-33 passes for 247 yards. 8 MISSES/DROPS!!!! That's a 76% completion rate!!! For some reason since signing the contract he's been very bad in the clutch situations late in games. I know and my long winded post wasn't directed at you. Just saying my piece on fitz to all of the people that think he was OUTSTANDING. I'm counting the whole season not just stackthebox Ez pass lanes Sunday.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 last negative fitz post Isn't this the 3rd or 4th time you've said this?
FreakPop Posted December 13, 2012 Posted December 13, 2012 Isn't this the 3rd or 4th time you've said this? yes it is, and he used really big letters this time.
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