TakeYouToTasker Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 There's a reason the NFL has been doing the community service ads against domestic violence. This is one of the situations we know about. I expect it's a very pervasive issue, mostly still behind closed doors. As it is in the rest of America. Say what you will about the middle east, at least they're right out front and center in abusing their wives, girlfriends and daughters. And after the initial outrage, about the same amount of action is taken to stop it. Not much can be done. As I stated in a prior post that was deleted, ultimately, the responibility for stopping the abuse lies with the abused. We don't have thought police pre-crime units, and can't put people in jail for things they haven't done yet, the actions society can take are only able to be implemented after the abuse has occured, it's already a crime, and any man who would do harm to another person whom he has a physical advantage over is hardly the sort who would respond to someone else saying "No! Don't! It's wrong!", as they either don't care, are mentally unstable, or disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Former Omaha TV Anchor and Congressional Candidate Arrested A former Omaha television newsman who once ran for Congress has been accused of domestic violence. Authorities say Michael Scott was arrested on Thursday. His estranged girlfriend had told police that Scott choked her, hit her in an eye and ripped off two fake fingernails while threatening to kill her last weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The inherent beliefs of a privileged class that they're "special", that the rules don't apply to them, that they're above the law is one of the root causes of this tragedy. There are a lot of athletes who have trouble coping with their rage - whether it's chemically induced, trauma induced, gene pool induced, or they're a product of a dirt ball upbringing. The NFL and other leagues should ban players convicted of domestic assault. They are thugs that do not deserve the money and adulation that owners, fans and media shower on them constantly. Well there goes 75% of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 That doesn't do anything to discount that a concussion could've been related. It does however fit everything that's been trickling out about the situation though. Highly volatile relationship, lots of issues etc.... I'm not on the concussion caused it bandwagon, but I do think it made the situation more volatile, and added layers of stress a few different ways though. The last thing these two needed was more problems in the house. Even without it, it's sounding more and more like something terrible was on the horizon though This guy had issues with women going back a few years. He had a girlfreind on the side who he spent part of the night with before going back to blow away the mother of his child. This a guy with problems that I bet had little to do with taking blows to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Want change? Vote with your dollar, and stop supporting the NFL. Well there goes 75% of the NFL. Perhaps so. They wear pink in October now. Might be time to pack it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Don’t Blame Costas, Blame The Microphone. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Don’t Blame Costas, Blame The Microphone. . You can have my microphone when you pry it out of my cold dead hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 It is situation of opportunity. The gun was there... He used it. Again, opportunity... If he had to hunt around for a tool to do the job, maybe it would have gave him time to decompress from the emotional situation he was in. Things snowballed, when the impulse got the best of him, he used the most efficient instrument @ his disposal. IMO, the murder just took him down the road to finishing himself off. Take a look back in the history of posters on these very forums... How many murders and suicides have there been with just the small number of posters in this community. I am not blaming the weapons... We got problems in this society... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 It is situation of opportunity. The gun was there... He used it. Again, opportunity... If he had to hunt around for a tool to do the job, maybe it would have gave him time to decompress from the emotional situation he was in. Things snowballed, when the impulse got the best of him, he used the most efficient instrument @ his disposal. IMO, the murder just took him down the road to finishing himself off. Take a look back in the history of posters on these very forums... How many murders and suicides have there been with just the small number of posters in this community. I am not blaming the weapons... We got problems in this society... Problems which, strangely enough, seem awfully similar to the problems in, well, every other society. I'm guessing the problem lies with the human factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Sorry. I lost my head there. Yes, the manly art of wife beating should continue unabated to the end zone/bank. Are you joking? You can't really think this. Your theory's off on 2 points: 1. Not every domestic assault charge is a product of wife beating. Obviously a lot of them are, but they're often the product of overzealous prosecutors fulfilling their agenda driven goal who get used by angry chicks who are mad at their husband/bf for cheating or not taking the beating she was administering. This happens A LOT more than people might think. 2. Does anyone seriously think this would have any kind of significant impact on domestic violence? Really? How many battered women would be saved if the man knew a conviction would keep him out of the NFL? I'm guessing not many. It is situation of opportunity. The gun was there... He used it. Again, opportunity... If he had to hunt around for a tool to do the job, maybe it would have gave him time to decompress from the emotional situation he was in. Things snowballed, when the impulse got the best of him, he used the most efficient instrument @ his disposal. IMO, the murder just took him down the road to finishing himself off. Take a look back in the history of posters on these very forums... How many murders and suicides have there been with just the small number of posters in this community. I am not blaming the weapons... We got problems in this society... If instead of a gun there had been a hammer this might well have ended differently for him (maybe he drives off a cliff?) but somehow I think the result would be the same for her. And I don't think this guy being !@#$ed up is a reflection of our society. Edited December 6, 2012 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 If instead of a gun there had been a hammer this might well have ended differently for him (maybe he drives off a cliff?) but somehow I think the result would be the same for her. And I don't think this guy being !@#$ed up is a reflection of our society. its a tough spot to speculate. one could just as easily say he pushes her, maybe punches a few times and storms out. maybe it gives mom enough time to crack his rage. who the heck knows. its not fair to say what happens if the guns not there. the only certainty is she wouldnt be shot. would she be alive? possibly. (and thats not me advocating gun control, just discouraging people deciding what they think would have happened). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 its a tough spot to speculate. one could just as easily say he pushes her, maybe punches a few times and storms out. maybe it gives mom enough time to crack his rage. who the heck knows. its not fair to say what happens if the guns not there. the only certainty is she wouldnt be shot. would she be alive? possibly. (and thats not me advocating gun control, just discouraging people deciding what they think would have happened). It's also [still] possible that the Bills could win the SB this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 It's also [still] possible that the Bills could win the SB this year. and i think its ridiculous to compare odds of her being alive with a gun not present, to fitz rattling off about 10 wins right now. again, im not saying guns are bad with this statement, but without the gun, who the hell knows what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 and i think its ridiculous to compare odds of her being alive with a gun not present, to fitz rattling off about 10 wins right now. again, im not saying guns are bad with this statement, but without the gun, who the hell knows what happens. I'm not trying to pick on you here, but this is about as poor a case as any to hold up as an example for gun control. This is a big strong pro athlete who could rip most people limb from limb with his bare hands; he didn't need the gun to kill her. And it's not like this was an instant impulse; he shot her NINE TIMES. Sure it's possible this doesn't happen, but there's little to no evidence to support that theory. While I generally support the right to own guns I know a lot of people who I respect that have opposing views on the issue. If any of them forwarded me this case as an argument for gun control I would cease to have respect for their views on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm not trying to pick on you here, but this is about as poor a case as any to hold up as an example for gun control. This is a big strong pro athlete who could rip most people limb from limb with his bare hands; he didn't need the gun to kill her. And it's not like this was an instant impulse; he shot her NINE TIMES. Sure it's possible this doesn't happen, but there's little to no evidence to support that theory. While I generally support the right to own guns I know a lot of people who I respect that have opposing views on the issue. If any of them forwarded me this case as an argument for gun control I would cease to have respect for their views on the topic. heres the thing - your arguing against something im not saying. Im not advocating the government taking his guns away in any way shape or form. Im not holding this up as an example of the need for gun control. what i am saying is that if that house didnt have 8 guns laying around in it ranging from rifles to handguns to automatics.... she wouldnt have caught nine bullets in her. would she have been stabbed or beaten to death? very possibly. maybe even probably. could he have walked away with her something short of dead? very possibly. that doesnt mean that i want to take everyones guns away because of one brain damaged hot head that may or may not have been impaired and keeps guns laying around his house. i get that hes an individual case, and anyone that uses a single case as an end all for the argument is silly. im not saying take peoples guns away, im saying its a pointless argument to say she was dead no matter what. He mightve stormed out, he mightve beaten her for 30 seconds and walked away, he might have stabbed her 32 times. we just dont know. having a gun in the situation may have dramatically changed the dynamic. 9 shots is extreme but depending on what he used it may have been just seconds. he may have broken down completely after 2 and lost his mind and wanted to make sure she wasnt suffering. who the hell knows besides mom, and i have yet to see her statement on the incident. to act like you know she would be dead no matter what... it just isnt a fair argument. and no, that isnt advocating gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) heres the thing - your arguing against something im not saying. Im not advocating the government taking his guns away in any way shape or form. Im not holding this up as an example of the need for gun control. what i am saying is that if that house didnt have 8 guns laying around in it ranging from rifles to handguns to automatics.... she wouldnt have caught nine bullets in her. would she have been stabbed or beaten to death? very possibly. maybe even probably. could he have walked away with her something short of dead? very possibly. that doesnt mean that i want to take everyones guns away because of one brain damaged hot head that may or may not have been impaired and keeps guns laying around his house. i get that hes an individual case, and anyone that uses a single case as an end all for the argument is silly. im not saying take peoples guns away, im saying its a pointless argument to say she was dead no matter what. He mightve stormed out, he mightve beaten her for 30 seconds and walked away, he might have stabbed her 32 times. we just dont know. having a gun in the situation may have dramatically changed the dynamic. 9 shots is extreme but depending on what he used it may have been just seconds. he may have broken down completely after 2 and lost his mind and wanted to make sure she wasnt suffering. who the hell knows besides mom, and i have yet to see her statement on the incident. to act like you know she would be dead no matter what... it just isnt a fair argument. and no, that isnt advocating gun control. Then what is your point? That guns and tense situations can yield tragic results? Or that bullets rarely if ever propel themselves into human beings in the absence of guns? Edited December 6, 2012 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Then what is your point? That guns and tense situations can yield tragic results? Or that bullets rarely if ever propel themselves into human beings in the absence of guns? that raging on the gun control issue with this is silly in general. from both sides. saying she was dead no matter what is no more reasonable than arguing that we must ban all guns immediately because of this. its an isolated incident. a gun made it a more explosive (more potentially lethal) incident. nothing more, nothing less. anything else is trying to turn this into something that its not. i know, weird, not every incident has to be politicized by either side. even if the gun made the situation more volatile, it doesnt mean we have to revisit gun laws, or staunchly defend gun rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 http://deadspin.com/5966225/the-last-12-hours-of-jovan-belchers-life more details - sounds like we wont know much about the actual fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Problems which, strangely enough, seem awfully similar to the problems in, well, every other society. I'm guessing the problem lies with the human factor. True. So true. But why make it easy w/the task @ hand? One wants to do a job, you grab the most efficient tool available and/or handy. One thing about American society, we are grossly efficient @ times. If instead of a gun there had been a hammer this might well have ended differently for him (maybe he drives off a cliff?) but somehow I think the result would be the same for her. And I don't think this guy being !@#$ed up is a reflection of our society. Maybe, maybe not... It is what it is. There is no argument that a firearm makes the operator of that weapon deadly efficient with ease of operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Maybe, maybe not... It is what it is. There is no argument that a firearm makes the operator of that weapon deadly efficient with ease of operation. Same thing holds for a baseball bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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