truth on hold Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) Marcel was graded as the best player in that draft by many many people, and he should be such a dominate force if given the right coaching. Not to mention losing his brother had an impact no matter how little time he missed. I don't know why boards even matter. If all a GM does is look at boards to make selections he's not adding value. And would end up making epic fail picks like leaf, russell and mandarich Edited November 28, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack
Max997 Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 I was all for drafting Dareus but also said it was going to be tough watching Dalton throw to Green knowing both could have been Bills I absolutely hated the Aaron Williams pick
NewEra Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 AJ Green is the best overall player in the 2011 draft, a complete choke job by Buddy not to draft Green. What happened to best player available? Buddy passed on a sure-fire HOFer and got a good player who may or may not make a couple of Pro Bowls. Green is a stud. Green with Fitz passing him the ball = a stud without the ball.
truth on hold Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) I posted this same thing as thought starter about a week ago. It got some interesting responses because it's fun to think about what would have happened if we went with the two best offensive players available in the first two rounds. After seeing Dalton on Gruden's QB Camp, he just seemed like such a great Buffalo Bill to me. Humble, hard working dude that just wants to help his team win. Like Fitz only with accuracy and arm strength. Without an offseason training camp, AJ Green and Dalton both made the pro bowl (and the playoffs) and from what I've seen this year they both seem to be getting better, despite virtually no surrounding cast. If you haven't seen them play, AJ Green has two guys on him all game and still gets open constantly. He leads the NFL in touchdowns and is on pace for a 1400 yard 15 touchdown season. It's interesting to think what this team would look like with Stevie and AJ Green, Spiller and Freddie our offensive line and an accurate young QB (he's at about a 90 passer rating this year) with Chan's offensive mind. Look I know we were horrible against the run in 2010. Worst in the league. Dareus was the best run stuffer in the country and he was an easy pick, but the Bengals went from 4-12 to 9-7 in one draft with two guys that would have made great Buffalo Bills. Funny isn't it. I heard an analyst the other day say green is the best WR in the league already. Which sounded a little far fetched. But then I went thru the list and only one I could see a case for better was Megatron. No matter if green's 2nd or 1st thats a heck of an accomplishment as a 2nd yr pro. Edited November 28, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack
1B4IDie Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) Now twice a month some genius posts this same idea. Seriously can this just be pinned. Edited November 28, 2012 by Why So Serious?
BobChalmers Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 I thought about something similar today. What if you simply put Dalton on the Bills in 2012 and Fitz on the Bengals. Would the team records be different today? I am not at all convinced Dalton would be worth a damn without Green.
peterpan Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 AJ Green is the best overall player in the 2011 draft, a complete choke job by Buddy not to draft Green. What happened to best player available? Buddy passed on a sure-fire HOFer and got a good player who may or may not make a couple of Pro Bowls. Aldon SMith? JJ Watt?
section122 Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 If you haven't seen them play, AJ Green has two guys on him all game and still gets open constantly. He leads the NFL in touchdowns and is on pace for a 1400 yard 15 touchdown season. This fact to me is why Dalton looks good. How many people that want Dalton have actually watched Bengal games? He throws it up to Green (no argument on how amazing he is) and benefits greatly. Dalton may or may not be better than Fitz but he certainly has a better weapon. "If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?" My favorite is: if if's were fifths we'd all be drunk To the op: Mario Williams would not have signed here. He did so because he didn't want to play in a 34 and the Bills were moving to a 43.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 Let's be honest here. If the Bills drafted Dalton, he would have sat behind Fitzy for the first year at least, thus regressing him by a year. CBF
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 ... they'd cut one and trade the other for a 4th? http://instantrimshot.com/
BuffBill Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 QB- Andy dalton HB1- CJ spiller HB2-Fred Jackson Wr1- A.J. green Wr2- Stevie Johnson Slot- David nelson Offensive line that we now have. our defense minus Marcell and and Aaron. Right now not to big of a hit. I still think Marcell will be a great player but Aaron is a bust. We most likely would have stayed a 3-4 defense becasue we would not have had those 4 dominant D-linemen we still would have signed Mario Williams. The D-line would still have been good. and the whole defense would have had a year experience in the 3-4 and all of these mental errors might not have been happening. The LBs would have stayed where they were and not have to learn new technique, lets remember this is the pros you don't just change position and expect that you will be just as good in the other position. -Barnett would not have had to make the move to the outside we were counting on him being the same player we got in 2011. -Bryan Scott would have been more suited to play LB in the 3-4 as well. -the scheme has killed our defense this year.. We now know andy dalton was a good pick now. He was not a sure thing coming out but he was a winner and had a good head on his shoulders. I think chan could have made him better than he is in cincy. he would also have a more complete offense around him. AJ green was a sure thing I don't want to here hind sight is 2020 AJ green was a beast you can go back and watch his College tape and see he was going to be a star he was making those catches only special players make and is a great athlete. he has been doing it his whole life, even in highschool This Our offense would be top in the league. knowing the bills we would not have resigned stevie though. I can't see a way that chan messes that up. Come on, they got Aaron Williams instead of Dalton, what else do you want?
KGun12TD Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 If **** had wings...it'd fly! I hate these stupid posts...If, if, if, if, if!!! They didn't! They suck for it. What will they do now is a worthy thought!
RyanC883 Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 i think the coaching would screw this up, but it would be harder to screw up Dalton and AJ. At least we would have a QB who would not under/over throw during the never ending 3rd and 1 passing plays. We could also have Kappernick and Green btw.
PaattMaann Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 i dont like Dalton because he has red hair and is pale, what sucessful ginger QBs have there been? theres no arguing with NFL history...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 If we had drafted Green, likely would not have resigned SJ not for #1 type money, so Green would be #1, maybe small improvment over over SJ, but then still no #2 Dalton yes would have been a smart move in hindsight.
KOKBILLS Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 AJ Green is the best overall player in the 2011 draft, a complete choke job by Buddy not to draft Green. What happened to best player available? Buddy passed on a sure-fire HOFer and got a good player who may or may not make a couple of Pro Bowls. Well..Actually, more Scouts felt Dareus, at least more than Green, was the #1 overall Player in that Draft...I can't remember anyone having AJ Green #1 overall...Though I certainly don't claim to have a memory that is any good...I do remember Mike Mayock had Dareus #1 overall...Dareus, to this point, has greatly underachieved...He really was a no-brainer-type pick for The Bills based on everything I read and heard about Dareus...Though I would like to know why The Bills, or anyone else for that matter, had Dareus rated so much higher that JJ Watt and Aldon Smith who are absolute NFL terrors...
Hsp08 Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 Let's be honest here. If the Bills drafted Dalton, he would have sat behind Fitzy for the first year at least, thus regressing him by a year. CBF So true. Gailey is a closed minded stubborn coach, shows in his play calling.
Jauronimo Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 I don't know why boards even matter. If all a GM does is look at boards to make selections he's not adding value. And would end up making epic fail picks like leaf, russell and mandarich The GM builds his own board based on scouting reports and film. Thats the value add. Do you really think they pick right off McShay/Kiper's board or go to MockDraft.com?
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 I'll be 100% honest. I thought at best Dalton was going to be a Fitz type QB at best. I think he owes a ton of his success to Green, who is a flat out stud. But Dalton is better than I thought, though most of his really good games come against crappy competition. Personally, I think Marvin Lewis is a very underrated coach and might be the best coach in Bengals' history. And I still pick Dareus over Green. Besides Rice (who had arguably 2 of the greatest QBs ever), what great receiver has won Super Bowls? A dominant DT is much more important to a team's success than a receiver. The question is that whether Dareus will ever get to be dominant. I think he will and has shown flashes. Hopefully, he does.
st pete gogolak Posted November 28, 2012 Posted November 28, 2012 If we're playing the 20-20 hindsight game (don't mind playing that at all), I'll take either the 49'er's draft (Aldon Smith and Kapernick) or the Texans' draft (J.J. Watt and Brooks Reed) as well as the Bengals. Hated, hated, hated the Aaron Williams pick. Would have liked to have seen Akeem Ayers playing LB for us.
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