\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 I am just as disheartened now as during Jauron's last year... Have you tried drinking heavily?
BringBackFergy Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Have you tried drinking heavily? That's like picking up a "cute" gal on Friday night and finding out she's not as "cute" as you thought Saturday morning...the haze clears, you're left with a hangover and you vow you will never do that again....until, of course, Friday rolls around again. It's the Circle of Life. Go watch Lion King.
QCity Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 Have you tried drinking heavily? I never stopped.
DDD Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 You'll be back after next year's draft convinced they had a good draft only to get thumped by the Patriots again and out of the playoffs. Repeat above every September x 13 years and counting
Buftex Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) I defended Jauron a lot but we have a much more talented roster than when he was here. We have a bunch of blue chippers (Wood, Levitre, Glenn, Spiller, Stevie, Bryd, Gilmore, the Williamses, Dareus). I think it is becoming clear than Jauron might actually be a better head coach than Gailey. I think Gailey runs a good offense but needs to be checked. But his record is terrible and that's inexcusable. This is our most talented team in 10 years and is 4-7 in a bad AFC. Unless we get to 8-8 or better, you have to make a change. 3 years is enough time to see improvement. Just because one sucks, it doesn't mean the other can't as well. I don't know how to measure it (wins and losses I suppose), but as bad as it feels rigth now, I much prefer the Gailey teams to anything that Jauron trotted out in a Bills uniform. To me, the difference is, Gailey's teams try to win...Juarons' teams just played not to lose. Neither succeded very often, but one is mildly more entertaining than the other. It was under Jaurons' watch (I still remember the exact moment) that my, mostly unflapable, sense of optimism for the Bills was snuffed out. It was that play where JP (filling in for the injured/inept Trent) tried to roll to his right to throw a pass, against the Jets and fumbled the game away...all he needed to do was kill the clock...I rember, completely spontaneously, and without any thought, I just started lauging hysterically...I had never before had that reaction to a Bills flub! No cursing, no slamming my fists in disgust...just laughed cuz it just felt like the fix was in on Bills fans... I will admit, I got a little excited about beating the Dolphins last week (it was the way the defense played more than anything), and let myself feel that optimism, albeit a little muted...but yesterday it was like, in my mind "okay this season is over...keep my fingers crossed there is another win or two on the schedule...but expect nothing...always nice if they win the game before Christmas (that is what it has come to), but another December of "pre-season" like football...oh well...time to turn my attentions to the Sabres! Now, I have tickets to the last game of the season...a meaningless game against the Jets... I will be up for Christmas, nobody will want to go with me...just a bummer of a season all around. Edited November 27, 2012 by Buftex
BillnutinHouston Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 My kid will likely start watching and caring about football in 2-4 years. That means that I have 2-4 years to decide whether I'm going to chain that same weight to him, or, perhaps, free him from this insanity. Think carefully about this. I'm raising my son a Bills fan - we watch on TV every week, and I fly him to a few games a year. He's hooked. I enjoy watching with him, but the losses are adding up and they really eat at him. Plus being in Houston, he gets teased at school for his Bills fandom. It's sad to watch and I definitely have second thoughts about putting this ball and chain on him.
Dr. Fong Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 The frustrating thing to me is that I really believe this team is a better team than they have been in many years. Maybe I'm delusional, but it just makes it more frustrating and makes me think that with a real coaching staff this team could finally get over the hump.
Buftex Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 The frustrating thing to me is that I really believe this team is a better team than they have been in many years. Maybe I'm delusional, but it just makes it more frustrating and makes me think that with a real coaching staff this team could finally get over the hump. I am with you...I think this team has a lot more talent than what they are showing. It only makes it all the worse.
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 A couple of things: 1) Some of you are letting your anger and frustration cloud your judgement 2) There is no way Jauron is a better coach than Gailey. On any day or in any universe. 3) We definitely need a new QB. We would have won that game yesterday with a better QB...and that's not Gailey's fault. This team is getting better. It has more talent that it has had in a long time. I still trust Buddy running things the way he has.
ThurmasThoman Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 There are some great posts in this thread--maybe the most uplifting Bills thread of the year, simply because the people responding are realistic in their devotion to the Bills. Don't know if anyone will read my 2 cents or respond, but let me just say that I agree with the OP 100%. This was the most gut-punch awful Bills season I can remember. From opening kickoff week 1, through us punting it away to the Colts with 3 minutes left this past week. I find it hard to believe that our 0-8 start/4-12 finish in 2010 was more enjoyable than this season, but for some strange reason--it was. that "almost" win against the steelers in 2010? it seemed like we had a young, growing team, and ANYTHING was possible in the future. we were challenging the big boys of the league. the comeback win against the bengals. the almost win against the chiefs and ravens. that season was, for some reason, magical in its own pathetic way. last season--that start seemed legit, and the drop off seemed like it was because of injuries. it seemed like the team for the first 8 games of last season and the last 8 games of 2010 was who we really were. 9 to 10 wins, going in the right direction. but this season? man. we just have never had it. we seemed out of contention from week 1 forward. wins against cleveland? kansas city? who cares, youre SUPPOSED to beat cleveland and kansas city. then smoked by new england and san fran to prove, beyond a doubt, we had no shot. it just hasnt been enjoyable from game one on. its just been really really really UNENJOYABLE. thats the only way i can put it.
JPS Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 What bothers me is the AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Clay Mathews, Rob Gronkowski, Colin Kaepernick, Geno Adkins and even TY Hilton that other teams are hitting on that the Bills are not. The reason the Bills have missed the playoffs for 12 years is a complete failure in pro and college talent evaluation and it never seems to end. Who knows, maybe Gilmore and Glenn will be awesome.....but if they are, they will finish careers on other teams.
DDD Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 I defended Jauron a lot but we have a much more talented roster than when he was here. We have a bunch of blue chippers (Wood, Levitre, Glenn, Spiller, Stevie, Bryd, Gilmore, the Williamses, Dareus). I think it is becoming clear than Jauron might actually be a better head coach than Gailey. I think Gailey runs a good offense but needs to be checked. But his record is terrible and that's inexcusable. This is our most talented team in 10 years and is 4-7 in a bad AFC. Unless we get to 8-8 or better, you have to make a change. 3 years is enough time to see improvement. Jauron did more with less talent- no doubt about it.
BringBackFergy Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 What bothers me is the AJ Green, Andy Dalton, Clay Mathews, Rob Gronkowski, Colin Kaepernick, Geno Adkins and even TY Hilton that other teams are hitting on that the Bills are not. The reason the Bills have missed the playoffs for 12 years is a complete failure in pro and college talent evaluation and it never seems to end. Who knows, maybe Gilmore and Glenn will be awesome.....but if they are, they will finish careers on other teams. I agree...but will go a step further: we draft college players who seem to have skill and are considered by most to have pro talent/skill....but once they get here, I think our coaches are teaching them poorly. Take the following examples: TJ Graham 3rd Round draft selection Mediocre stats Julian Edelman 7th Round draft selection Enough said TY Hilton 3rd Roung draft selection Enough said I know, I know...TY and Julian have great QB's throwing to them...but they also have a fire in their bellies that I don't see on the Bills (especially Edelman) I just don't think we get the best out of our talent in Buffalo. Mostly because I think our players are coddled and idolized by the media and press...whereas in other markets the players are held to the fire (produce or get bad press or possibly sit the bench).
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 I actually think that the roster is much much better now than it was then its just the coaching is just as terrible. The defense has talent and potential esp on the D-line and in the secondary (Which coming off the Jauron years had almost no talent in the front 7). The O-line is a standout unit far better than what it was under Jauron. The RB situation is still good if not better than what it was under Jauron, the WR's have Stevie and a decent support group of 3 and 4 WR's. Even Chandler at TE is better than what we had at the end of Jauron. It comes down to finding a QB and a coach and fixing a couple of holes on the roster. After Jauron it was an almost complete rebuild outside of the secondary there wasn't a unit on the team that you could say was good. I like to think that the team has much more talent on it that isn't being fulfilled due to the poor coaching. This doesn't add up of course. Jauron won more games with worse talent and was an equally bad coach? It may be true that the team is better on paper, but it doesn't add up on the field. The coaching of the defense was indescribably bad to begin the season and, while better now, there are still inexcusable break downs all too frequently. It is much inferior to the defense Fewell ran. The LBs were better as was the secondary, which certainly had more depth. The offensive scheme should be better, but it has been exposed. With Trent Edwards all the Bills could do was run check downs. With Ryan Fitzpatrick and friends, the same is true and defensive coordinators have figured out how to make Gailey go to his weaknesses more and more. Were Lee Evans and Terrell Owens, even in decline, really much worse than Stevie Johnson and a cast of nobodies? Lynch and Jackson weren't a bad duo -- what's more they were actually used. Special teams has taken a step back as well; Bobby April did a very good job there. So, you can say the talent is much, much better but without the execution it is just bits on a screen.
thewildrabbit Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 I defended Jauron a lot but we have a much more talented roster than when he was here. We have a bunch of blue chippers (Wood, Levitre, Glenn, Spiller, Stevie, Bryd, Gilmore, the Williamses, Dareus). I think it is becoming clear than Jauron might actually be a better head coach than Gailey. I think Gailey runs a good offense but needs to be checked. But his record is terrible and that's inexcusable. This is our most talented team in 10 years and is 4-7 in a bad AFC. Unless we get to 8-8 or better, you have to make a change. 3 years is enough time to see improvement. Chan Gailey has fallen into the same pit as Dick Jauron did only this time it's the opposite way around. Jauron didn't know offense to save his life and hired inexperienced tools to run his offense, while his defense was in capable hands of Perry Fewell. Gailey hired a pair of morons to to run his very talented defense and they both fell on their faces hard. Plus drafting and going crazy in free agency for the defense and they are still one of the worst in the NFL Meanwhile the offense suffers without a true #1 WR, and while the talent at RB might be the best in the NFL Gailey prefers to let the back up QB shoulder the game. Jauron and Gailey both had massive injuries on the team year after year, this year its not nearly as bad and yet they are 4-7 in a bad division. NFN guys but this is what you get when you hire a man that was fired at his last job as OC. Gailey would have made a good choice as OC under Bill Cowher, although I'm certain Cowher would have him using the RB's more often
mrags Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 A couple of things: 1) Some of you are letting your anger and frustration cloud your judgement 2) There is no way Jauron is a better coach than Gailey. On any day or in any universe. 3) We definitely need a new QB. We would have won that game yesterday with a better QB...and that's not Gailey's fault. This team is getting better. It has more talent that it has had in a long time. I still trust Buddy running things the way he has. Thats the problem though. As the GM, and HC, Chan and Nix married themselves to Fitz in the first place. If our loses are based on only QBing play, then they have themselves to blame. We have them to blame for not having another option or a backup plan. Hell, we had Vince Young a former starter in this league with a 60% win/loss ratio and yet we came to the conclusion that he was not good after just a few weeks of pre season. Let me clear up a few things about the pre season. During pre season we saw 2 things that were almost certain during most of the offseason. We couldn't stop the run, we couldn't force a turnover on downs, we had no quarterbacking, and we lost games. Now back then, some of us said things like "What was Marvs record in the pre season?" "Pre season doesn't mean anything, it's all about execution" "We're just playing VANILLA football, not showing anything special". Well, since then, almost none of that has changed. Yet many of the Bills/Chan/Nix/Fitz supporters forget that it's been no different in 3 years. Chan never could make the right decisions, Fitz never could throw deep, the defense has went from worst in the league to even worse than that (how Thats possible I have no idea). And that brings me to my next point. IF, and that's a HUGE IF. Chan really isn't that bad and the play of the horrible QB that we employ is the real reason why were losing games..... Why the hell does Chan allow Fitz to be so detrimental to our record? He has CJ who might be the most explosive back in the game. Averaging over 7 yards a carry for THE YEAR and yet he runs him only 14 times last game. Most other games are the same. CJ has shown that he can handle the ball 20 times a game yet Chan still keeps him handcuffed. Chan still pulls CJ in the red zone. Chan still doesn't have CJ in for 13 minutes straight at the end of the 4th quarter where we were down by 1-2 scores. IF... We can assume that CJ is our best player (that's arguable but most likely true) then why wouldn't he be on the field at the time when we need to score some points? Even if you concede that Freddy is our most valuable weapon, then why not make plays with Fred? Chan is doing himself a disservice. If he really is suffering from the poor play of a sub par QB, then why wouldn't you put it into the hands of players that have been proven to score. Chan is to blame first and foremost. Dare I say that Alex Smith isn't that good but all the sudden with a good coach and one that limits his possibility for mistakes, Smith is doing great. If you don't believe that with a good coach, that this team wouldn't be 7-4 then your smoking some really good government refer. The defense and QB play would be more than enough to win if competent coaches were running things here. There's really nothing more to say on this subject.
Buftex Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 I agree...but will go a step further: we draft college players who seem to have skill and are considered by most to have pro talent/skill....but once they get here, I think our coaches are teaching them poorly. Take the following examples: TJ Graham 3rd Round draft selection Mediocre stats Julian Edelman 7th Round draft selection Enough said TY Hilton 3rd Roung draft selection Enough said I know, I know...TY and Julian have great QB's throwing to them...but they also have a fire in their bellies that I don't see on the Bills (especially Edelman) I just don't think we get the best out of our talent in Buffalo. Mostly because I think our players are coddled and idolized by the media and press...whereas in other markets the players are held to the fire (produce or get bad press or possibly sit the bench). I actually really like what little we have seen of Graham. It is embarassing, to me, when Chan made him inactive early in the season, because he "wasn't ready"...to me, I translate that to mean that Chan wasn't ready to let everyone in on the secret that our QB can't get the ball to our new speedburner WR. As little as Graham has been used deep (normally a screen pass to the sidelines where he has to make something happen to get a first down...which he usually has), from what I can tell, he pretty much always has his coverage beat...
BringBackFergy Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 I actually really like what little we have seen of Graham. It is embarassing, to me, when Chan made him inactive early in the season, because he "wasn't ready"...to me, I translate that to mean that Chan wasn't ready to let everyone in on the secret that our QB can't get the ball to our new speedburner WR. As little as Graham has been used deep (normally a screen pass to the sidelines where he has to make something happen to get a first down...which he usually has), from what I can tell, he pretty much always has his coverage beat... Yes, he's a talented kid, no doubt. And a comparable small, fast receiver for the Colts has caught numerous TD's, ran back punts and has become a solid #2 WR. Don't we have coaches who can groom a similar young WR like TJ Graham into an "immediate impact" player. This doesn't apply only on the offensive side of the ball...on defense as well.
Bufcomments Posted November 27, 2012 Posted November 27, 2012 I feel the pain E..BTW just sent you a PM as well. In terms of the above post, i know the spirit of the message is good, and i do not want to come as being mean or coldhearted...but damn I am at the same place as E. My wife and I were discussing it last night..as for some reason I take these losses harder now than I ever have...and it has to do with the town and the threat of leaving. If you told me bills are in Buffalo for next 40 years, I can live with the losing. However, I fear the losing leads to other non desirerable outcomes.I think that is why i take them harder now...feel like every year might be the last for the team especially if have 40,000 at the last games To be honest as a fan since the OJ yrs. I have reached the point of going of saying if they dont get a QB that cant play...why even watch. I'm to that point in this long term relationship that its time to move on unless they get a QB that can get them to the playoffs.
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