Coach Tuesday Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 ok...i will have to accept the fact that we as fans have double standards....fitz sucks...SJ13 is doing the best he can do.... No dude. The point is that Stevie did his job today, Fitz didn't. You are better than this.
BillnutinHouston Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 OK, I know i have gone a bit off tangent calling out stevie for not being elite...but keep in mind the subject of my thread...SJ13 is getting no flack for that..but Fitz is being cruicified for hitting him in stride...throwing to Dickerson's back shoulder where he dropped it..but yet Fitz is being villified for his play today....we as fans are so hell bent on demanding a franchise QB, of which we have seen 2 come out of the draft this year that we couldn't get....I know Fitz has limitations...but he is NOT to blame for today's loss....nor is SJ13...but come on....he cannot get a free pass on this... OK, I know i have gone a bit off tangent calling out stevie for not being elite...but keep in mind the subject of my thread...SJ13 is getting no flack for that..but Fitz is being cruicified for hitting him in stride...throwing to Dickerson's back shoulder where he dropped it..but yet Fitz is being villified for his play today....we as fans are so hell bent on demanding a franchise QB, of which we have seen 2 come out of the draft this year that we couldn't get....I know Fitz has limitations...but he is NOT to blame for today's loss....nor is SJ13...but come on....he cannot get a free pass on this... Clearly, you do have a point. Stevie dropped a few today, Dickerson dropped a potentially big gainer, Jones came up weak, and Jones dropped a TD last week against the Dolphins. But...Fitz's miss to Spiller deep, and Jones deep, cost us big. Just too many missed plays from weak overall talent. Is it too simplistic to say that outside of Spiller we we don't have enough consistent playmakers on O?
Numark Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 well played crayonz. well played. Watching people agree and argue with crayonz never gets old.
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Why does Stevie get a pass? Really? Dude, he's a wide receiver. What do you expect him to do - - punt? Ya gotta love the interweb.
The Poojer Posted November 25, 2012 Author Posted November 25, 2012 no i promise you i am not that guy...i just do not accept that this loss is on fitz...Chan...yeah probably...but look through the posts that are saying fitz sucked ass today...i saw one pass to dorrin dickerson's back shoulder dropped...not an easy catch to make...and a pass that was just a finger tip out of reach of another receiver....i also am not a fitz jock sniffer...i know he's not a marino or montana...but to repeat what others have used as an excuse here...he's the best we have and really the best we could have had for the past couple of years.... i don't mean to be so hard on SJ13...i love him as a player on this team...but I am trying to show that he also needs to step up if this team wants any success...I am not aware of him calling out Chan after the game...if so, then he needs to step up and be that guy on the field. i want this team to succeed as much if not more than any other fan on this board... Are you the guy who looks at a super model and claims "she isn't that hot, her one ear lobe is bigger then the other"? Either that or you are creating an epic Troll post. Stevie's play was a positive gain of over 60 yards, how is that a negative. Do you call out every play that doesn't go to the house? You have to give Stevie props for saving Fitz on the Int. I think most are placing blame where it is due....right at Chan for calling one of the worst games ever.
Numark Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 no i promise you i am not that guy... Not gonna work on me. I haven't seen a troll thread so well constructed since crayonz.
The Poojer Posted November 25, 2012 Author Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) several beers during another bills loss may not have helped get my point across but i'm trying....but i do appreciate that you think i put any thought into messing with people...i think in this case...i simply put my thoughts out there without much pre-thought.... Not gonna work on me. I haven't seen a troll thread so well constructed since crayonz. Edited November 25, 2012 by The Poojer
bills44 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 ok...i will have to accept the fact that we as fans have double standards.... that much is obvious. Just look at this board's love affair with guys like FJ and Kyle Williams (both are rarely, if ever, criticized), and the crap that guys like Spiller and Dareus take.
You herd it hear last Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Stevie is definitely not fast and every time he catches a long pass, he cuts back across the field. He did it at the KC this year, he did it at the Cinci game last year, and he's done it every other time he has caught a deep pass. I'm sure he's saving the sideline sprint to the end zone for the super bowl...they'll never see it coming
Rob's House Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Johnson had 106 yards and saved Fitz's ass on yet another late-game INT. He deserves zero blame for this loss. ^THIS
Numark Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 several beers during another bills loss may not have helped get my point across but i'm trying....but i do appreciate that you think i put any thought into messing with people...i think in this case...i simply put my thoughts out there without much pre-thought.... haha im just messing with you. But sj13 had a great game and showed his skills and hustle, and put up stats.
filthymcnasty08 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 This thread sucks so incredibly bad.
The Poojer Posted November 25, 2012 Author Posted November 25, 2012 let me also clear up that i am not blaming SJ13 in any way for the loss...i have said several times that if he wasn't caught this was a different outcome completely...i know he had a great game...just tired of the bs that comes from so many...all 'experts', except Berman, agreed that this colts team is better than this Bills team...we could have and should have won this game....WR's dropped passes...we went away from CJ...i am honestly more upset with this loss than i was with the NE loss because we needed to, could have and should have won this game haha im just messing with you. But sj13 had a great game and showed his skills and hustle, and put up stats.
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 let me also clear up that i am not blaming SJ13 in any way for the loss...i have said several times that if he wasn't caught this was a different outcome completely...i know he had a great game...just tired of the bs that comes from so many...all 'experts', except Berman, agreed that this colts team is better than this Bills team...we could have and should have won this game....WR's dropped passes...we went away from CJ...i am honestly more upset with this loss than i was with the NE loss because we needed to, could have and should have won this game put it this way - neither were immaculate in their games today, and both have limitations - but i know your a baseball guy and Stevie had a much better WAR than Fitz would have, and that would be a fairly regular statement you could make. stevies play helps the team despite limitations, especially since he is playing in a unit while fitz is at the most important position in sports.
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 CJ got caught from behind on a stop cut I guess he shouldn't have stopped to make that cut... CJ should get the blame for the loss...
Roc Bronson Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 i haven't read all the game day 'anal'ysis threads, but what i have read puts the blame squarely on Fitz and Coaching...no one but me seems to pin this loss on SJ13 being caught from behind after catching, basically in stride....no other WR in this league gets run down like that....that was a game changer....sure we should have still punched it in... also...anyone notice on 1st and goal at the 1 FJ almost dropped the ball....again!!!!! oh and the dickerson drop....too many drops to keep track of actually.... You did see a guy coming at Stevie on an angle right? That play wasn't a game changer at all. If so it was that trash finally threw a good pass. Lets talk about the bad throw to Jones who was clearly wide open, Luck will make that throw everytime. Or the ****ty throw to Spiller on the free play. Oh lets talk about the int he threw that STEVIE saved his ass on. Its MF'in crime people still ignore the obvious, a better QB can make these wideouts look graceful. Yet you blame one play on SJ! **** like this is the reason we are the laughing stock in the world of sports. Gailey suck, Wannstedt is the worst coach in the history of sports, and Trash aka Fitzpatrick is the best of this bad situation. So with that said those three 2 dollar harlots are the reason we are who we are. Laughing stock bottom feeders.
USMCBillsFan Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Fitzpatrick needs to learn what read progression is. How many times did he look at Stevie and stare at Stevie and then throw to Stevie incomplete without ever looking at the rest of the field? The Bills offense is just too predictable and that falls on both Fitz and Gailey. He calls a stojan game every week. Minus the punt return the D actually looked decent today.
The Wiz Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Haven't read everything but I will go right out and say it anyways, how many 6th round draft picks end up being your #1 WR that can beat the best CB's in the league? Yes. Blame SJ for the loss since he has total control over the play calling. He got caught on the play so that means the loss is on him.
Trader Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 SJ13 was one of the few bright spots today. Burn Dickerson if you want.
Pete in Michigan Posted November 26, 2012 Posted November 26, 2012 I should start this by saying that Stevie Johnson has to be one of the most creative / non-traditional route runners out there. His basketball-style makes him extremely effective in getting distance from his defenders. Additionally, he has done a much better job eliminating dropped passes this year. I am glad the Bills chose to pony up and keep him around. With all of this being said, there is a huge area for improvement in my mind. It comes in the yards after catch. It really seems to me that once the catch is made, Stevie's first inclination is to fall to the ground. It's almost as he looks for a bit of gentle contact as a reason to fall to the ground and/or avoid the hit. Is it only me who thinks this? Now, I'm nto suggesting he put his helmet down and go into "beast mode" through linebackers, but it would be nice to see him seek to make a play after the catch has been made. Andre was the best in the businness at doing thins and I believe he could learn a few things from watching some of his tape. The catch was just the beginnning.... Another frustrating loss....hopefully in my lifetime there will be a SuperBowl win....
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