Jim in Anchorage Posted November 25, 2012 Author Posted November 25, 2012 You should make this poll. Anyway it's not even close Watt was great last year and this year he is Defensive MVP, Watt by a mile. The poll would work only if I put a "wait till next year" answer in it.
KeisterHollow Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 That's an interesting question. Some things come to mind when I think about it. How does it effect a player who is coming here from a very successful football program in college, to end up playing for a team as inept as the Bills are, and have been? I mean, I read a quote the other day from, I believe, George Wilson, saying the Bills players talked and agreed, like two weeks ago, that their playoffs started then. Well, that seems to be a theme in this neck of the woods - playoffs in November. Sitting home in January. Many would say these men are professionals, they shouldn't need to be motivated. My response, however, is that when they were in college I would bet they were giving it their all. You can't give more than your all. So, either their level of commitment will remain high as a pro, or it will decline - but they aren't going to all of a sudden find 110 percent. For some guys it is all about self motivation - and Kyle Williams comes to mind - but, most athletes respond to their coach, their scheme, their teammates. I believe Dareus will be very good for a long time, and I don't underestimate the value of DT's. I do, though, think he would be playing better still if he were in an organization like San Fran, or Seattle, or Pittsburgh. We've had some really good talent come through Buffalo and leave to shine elsewhere. This idea of who would have been better is less interesting to me than contemplating who we could bring in, coaching-wise, to maximize what we do have, before it, too, is gone. I don't know about the rest of you out there in Bills Nation, but I have to see a new DC next year, no matter what we look like from here out, and I hope it ends up being someone fresh, innovative, and able to maximize these players strengths.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 So far from what I've seen, I would rank BPA like this. AJ Green JJ Watt Von Miller All three of these guys are elite players, game changers. All three might be the best at their position in the NFL already. Don't forget Aldon Smith. As for JJ Watt, he'd be at least as dominant if not more in a 4-3 scheme. He's a great football player and would be great in virtually any scenario. I loved him coming out but I loved a lot of players at the top of that draft. I think Dareus is gonna be a great player. People keep forgetting that he's only 22 years old. It looks to me like he still has some baby fat to melt and that he's gonna grow into a ridiculous force. Marcel never gives up on a play and shows great hustle and desire. There's no question in my mind that we'll all be very glad we drafted Marcel Dareus.
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 25, 2012 Author Posted November 25, 2012 Don't forget Aldon Smith. As for JJ Watt, he'd be at least as dominant if not more in a 4-3 scheme. He's a great football player and would be great in virtually any scenario. I loved him coming out but I loved a lot of players at the top of that draft. I think Dareus is gonna be a great player. People keep forgetting that he's only 22 years old. It looks to me like he still has some baby fat to melt and that he's gonna grow into a ridiculous force. Marcel never gives up on a play and shows great hustle and desire. There's no question in my mind that we'll all be very glad we drafted Marcel Dareus. Baby fat? At 22?
Ramius Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 We'll get a chance at a JJ Watt clone this upcoming draft in Bjoern Werner.
KOKBILLS Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 At this point of their careers, Watt is clearly winning the argument... I agree with those who say no one thought Watt was going to be this good...But still, it would have been nice if Buddy was the only one... We'll see what happens the next 2 years...Dareus needs to finish strong in 2012...Then follow that up with a dedication to come back in 2013 as a monster...I really think it's all about how bad Dareus want's to be great...
GG Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 We'll get a chance at a JJ Watt clone this upcoming draft in Bjoern Werner. Is that the guy who pulls trains with his teeth or the guy who wrote Dancing Queen?
San Jose Bills Fan Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Baby fat? At 22? Yes. It has a bit to do with age, and it has a bit to do with body type. Also, I think Dareus is a late bloomer. I think he's gonna get leaner and meaner and better.
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 25, 2012 Author Posted November 25, 2012 Yes. It has a bit to do with age, and it has a bit to do with body type. Also, I think Dareus is a late bloomer. I think he's gonna get leaner and meaner and better. But Vince Wilfork is a big fat pig. I watched him not just beat, but blow up double teams against the Jets.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 But Vince Wilfork is a big fat pig. I watched him not just beat, but blow up double teams against the Jets. Vince was a few months short of 23 years old when he was a rookie. And Vince has continued to get better as he gets older. Marcel will be the same way. But Marcel was a 21 year old rookie.
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 25, 2012 Author Posted November 25, 2012 Vince was a few months short of 23 years old when he was a rookie. And Vince has continued to get better as he gets older. Marcel will be the same way. But Marcel was a 21 year old rookie. Lot of guess work on the future presented as fact on this thread. I hope you all are right.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Lot of guess work on the future presented as fact on this thread. I hope you all are right. Wilfork will likely make the Hall of Fame. I'm not gonna measure Marcel by Wilfork. Marcel might not make the Hall but in my opinion he's gonna be a great player. Yeah there's some guess work but it is a fact that Wilfork was 20 months older than Dareus as a rookie.
Trader Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 At the time out run D was so bad it was more of a need to have a huge monstrous man in the middle eating up OLmen. Now, is another question. I'd prolly still rather have MD but I also think he's better than what were seeing this year. At least I hope. I thought that JJ Watt was the best D lineman coming out and I posted it here. I loved his consistancy and his leadership at Wisconsin.
Dean Cain Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 JJ Watt may be the better player now but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that dude is on some kind of PED. Dude is sick!
Big Hurt Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 If the Bills selected JJ Watt during that draft, his play level would be similar to Mario Williams.
bbb Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 lol - I like that you're not reaching with a higher pick. Also, TBD would have melted down if the Bills took JJ Watt at 3... Yup - JJ WHAT?!?
Coach Tuesday Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I love Dareus - but Watt is reminding me of Reggie White. I haven't seen a d-end play with such power and intensity since White left the game.
Awwufelloff Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I love Dareus - but Watt is reminding me of Reggie White. I haven't seen a d-end play with such power and intensity since White left the game. JPP Last year, He had the play of the year that made the Giants go to the superbowl on the blocked field goal against Dallas. Without him there is no superbowl for the Giants.
CSBill Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 I know this has been covered but I thought I would freshen it up. Do you at this time feel it was wise for the Bills to pick Marcell Dareus over JJ? I watched the HOU-DET game and JJ was in the QBs face or batting down balls all game. Hmmm - well, nine other teams whiffed on JJ as well, he was the 11th pick. Moreover, yes, he's a tremendous player, but he also has the huge benefit of playing for a defense that is pretty good, with or without him. MD, not so much. I'm just fine with him. You could play this game all day long, there are always players who turn out to be better that are taken after our guy. Every team could say that.
bigK14094 Posted November 25, 2012 Posted November 25, 2012 Darius still learning to be a pro......he was a great pick. Stay tuned!!!!
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