truth on hold Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Loss to the Titans kills any chance they had, no room for error. Everything broke their way this season too. Key injuries to the Ravens/Steelers, AFC is awful in general, really was there year but the bad start put them in a huge hole. Shouldnt look back, but yeah that one bothers me the most. A team we should have beaten at home, and to lose the way we did with the Fitz INT and defensive breakdown ... just leaves a nasty bad taste
Mark Vader Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 As I've said earlier, this Sunday's game against the Colts is quite clearly of the MUST-WIN type. No one disagrees about that. And for all the scoreboard watchers, we want the following to happen this week: Pats over Jets, 8:20pm, Thursday Jags over Titans, 1pm, Sunday Browns over Steelers, 1pm, Sunday Raiders over Bengals, 1pm, Sunday Seahawks over Dolphins, 1pm, Sunday Ravens over Chargers, 4pm, Sunday The games I have bolded I definitely see happening, although a west coast trip for the Ravens could be tough. As for the other games: If the Jaguars play like they did today next week, then they should beat the Titans. The Steelers are banged up and the Browns are a lot tougher than their record indicates. Would not be surprised if the Browns won. The Raiders are a mess. If Carson Palmer wants to really stick it to the Bengals, then they have a chance, but I doubt it. The Seahawks are an up-and-down team, and they are horrible on the road. Beating the Dolphins will not be easy. Finally, you are correct in saying that the Colts game is a Must-Win game for the Bills. Although, EVERY game remaining on the schedule is a Must-Win game.
truth on hold Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Steelers loss tonight really opened up both WC spots. Still they and Bengals scare me the most. They have a game left against each other, and one against Ravens, who've already beaten them both. Edited November 19, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack
Koufax Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Agreed. I don't care who we play we aren't going 7-0 we aren't even going 6-1. We'll win 7 or 8 games max Winning out is a dumb idea and a dumb premise. You can only win out if you get to the Jets game having won all the other ones, and the Jets game is a long way off. I had us at 5-5 at this point in the season, with the final minutes of the Titans game the only think we screwed up. The fact that we could have beaten New England twice or the Texans on the road and blew it is somewhat meaningless as well. We need to beat the Colts on the road, who are a good team with a good QB, so we can move to 5-6. None of our remaining games is unwinnable, ad non of our remaining games should we even be a big underdog for or shocked if we win. But there isn't a single game there that is in the bag either. Flipping six heads in a row is pretty hard to do, so we need to start playing a lot better and get ourselves in a position where these games are more than 50/50. 10 days to prepare for the Colts, and getting to face a team without a strong running game who passes a lot, and a defense coming off of a blowout loss are all good things for us, and I think this is an even tougher test than Seattle and our hardest remaining game. Stranger things have happened, but I think our optimism should be tempered and go one week at a time, and hopefully we can play meaningful games deeper in the season, and maybe even after week 17. But don't bet your rent money on it, and probably not even your beer money.
Shoutbox Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 The games I have bolded I definitely see happening, although a west coast trip for the Ravens could be tough. As for the other games: If the Jaguars play like they did today next week, then they should beat the Titans. The Steelers are banged up and the Browns are a lot tougher than their record indicates. Would not be surprised if the Browns won. The Raiders are a mess. If Carson Palmer wants to really stick it to the Bengals, then they have a chance, but I doubt it. The Seahawks are an up-and-down team, and they are horrible on the road. Beating the Dolphins will not be easy. Finally, you are correct in saying that the Colts game is a Must-Win game for the Bills. Although, EVERY game remaining on the schedule is a Must-Win game. All of the AFC games (Colts, Jags, Dolphins, Jets) are must-win. No doubt. They MIGHT be able to get away with a clunker against the Rams or Seahawks. It really depends on what's happening with the Steelers. If they choke away a couple of games because of Ben Ruthlessraper's injury, then both wildcard spots are in play and that would substantially improve the options for a 9-7 team with a 7-5 AFC record. Way too many playoff permutations to bother with at this point. All we know is that the Colts game is must-win. Consider this to be our playoff game for the season in the likely event that we don't get to see the real thing in January.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Pats over Jets, 8:20pm, Thursday - tough call as this game is meaningful to any tie breakers with Buffalo. Jags over Titans, - tough game by the Jags until the collapse in the 4th QTR. @ home maybe, @ Tenny, not likely Browns over Steelers, - not likely to happen BUT w/o Big Ben ?????? Raiders over Bengals, - NOT very likely to happen Seahawks over Dolphins, - likely to happen Ravens over Chargers, - very likely to happen BTW becasue of the tie breakers with Buffalo the NYETS have the 10 th seed. I hate to have to want the Cheatriots to win. Edited November 19, 2012 by BillsFan-4-Ever
Keukasmallies Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 OP aid the Bills can easily win out; if ever one needed proof that many of us are just plain whacky, that is it!
thewildrabbit Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) The mentality here is sometimes really funny. Yes, the Bills have definitely shown they are type of team who can 'win out' with 7 games to go. Piece of cake to rip off 7 wins in a row in the NFL, especially when you have a defense as stout as Buffalo's and a QB that can never fails in the clutch like Fitz. Ya gotta love the indomitable will to perceive the best in any situation. Bills fans eternal optimism has kept Ralph Wilson rolling in dough even when his team sucks year after year, and for over a decade now. Just like NYS lottery! Hey, you never know! In the voice of Jim Mora...PLAYOFFS!!....PLAYOFFS!!...PLAYOFFS!!...I just hope we can win a game! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40mhBE5MpbA P.S. So the Bills finish 6-10 and draft in the middle of the pack again because they can't decide to be bad enough to garner a top 5 pick or be good enough to have a winning season. No worries tho, Gailey, Nix, Wannstedt will all be back next year to try again next season. You can bet as long as Ralph Wilson owns the team they will never make the playoffs, or even have a winning season. Edited November 19, 2012 by FeartheLosing
Dorkington Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) There's a significant difference between hope and expectations. I don't think any of us who are discussing possibilities are actually expecting them to happen. What's the harm in discussing scenarios for a playoff berth? Edit: To keep things in perspective for the Pessimist Pattys... The Bills SOV (strength of victory) is .275, third worst in the league. Basically, it's very unlikely for the Bills to do anything with this season, but it's still mathematically possible, so who knows. Edited November 19, 2012 by Dorkington
BobChalmers Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) 5 Indianapolis South 6-3-0 - See Miami rookie QB play - Buffalo, @ Detroit, Tenny, @ Houston, @ KC, Houston playing for the #1seed? 6 Pittsburgh North 6-3-0 - Big Ben hurt and will miss time and play Baltimore twice in 3 weeks 7 San Diego West 4-5-0 - Norval's team crashes in Dec 8 Cincinnati North 4-5-0 - 3 home 3 away - weeks 16 and 17 - @Pittsburgh home v Baltimore 9 Tennessee South 4-6-0 - legit chance 10 Buffalo East 4-6-0 I said before the Titans game that that was the game that would decide their season, and I was worried about the attitude of the team sounding in interviews like they were looking past it to the bye. The current standings only add to that - The Bills will finish 8-8 or 9-7 and TENN will be the game they should have won that would have gotten them in. Edited November 19, 2012 by BobChalmers
Best Player Available Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Can you quote where people are saying he's all world? I see things like solid addition to our depth at defensive end, more than anything. Do you disagree with that? Solid depth at DE is an opinion only. I think after three years here he is a monumental failure and actually blame NIX. As for people saying he's back or my all world comment. I don't have time were on the road today and I suggest reading the post game merriman comments.So yes in the end after Nix yet again pulled merriman out of the casinos since NO one wanted him, and his career was most likely DONE. I disagree, and believe he is anything but a washed up roid freak.
Dorkington Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Solid depth at DE is an opinion only. I think after three years here he is a monumental failure and actually blame NIX. As for people saying he's back or my all world comment. I don't have time were on the road today and I suggest reading the post game merriman comments.So yes in the end after Nix yet again pulled merriman out of the casinos since NO one wanted him, and his career was most likely DONE. I disagree, and believe he is anything but a washed up roid freak. Ok, so lets cut him and move down to two healthy Defensive Ends, because he's a "washed up roid freak." Or, realize he was the best DE available to pick up, and was familiar with our guys and our system, and has shown himself to be solid depth for our depleted DE. Gotta love the "extremes" here. Maybe in the offseason, if there are better choices out there, sure, go get them. But for now, he fits and he seems to be doing ok.
Big C Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 There's a significant difference between hope and expectations. I don't think any of us who are discussing possibilities are actually expecting them to happen. What's the harm in discussing scenarios for a playoff berth? Edit: To keep things in perspective for the Pessimist Pattys... The Bills SOV (strength of victory) is .275, third worst in the league. Basically, it's very unlikely for the Bills to do anything with this season, but it's still mathematically possible, so who knows. It's funny, I thought the Chiefs were going to be a decent team when we played them in week 2.
Best Player Available Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Ok, so lets cut him and move down to two healthy Defensive Ends, because he's a "washed up roid freak." Or, realize he was the best DE available to pick up, and was familiar with our guys and our system, and has shown himself to be solid depth for our depleted DE. Gotta love the "extremes" here. Maybe in the offseason, if there are better choices out there, sure, go get them. But for now, he fits and he seems to be doing ok. I agree about extremes. here's an example. Some here believe the Bills are still a playoff team. Now that's some funny stuff right there. Merriman seems do be doing "ok" based on a single game against another scrub sub .500 team. So yea he fits real well here since the sub .500 teams are all Gailey can beat (sometimes), and are left on the schedule for the most part for 2012.
Dorkington Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Difference between "a playoff team" and "still mathematically in the race". -- If Merriman sucks for the rest of the season, then sure, he's not doing ok. If he plays similar to the last couple of games, then yes, he's "ok" and belongs on the team *now* because we only have two healthy DEs besides him. Once Kelsay and Anderson come back, Merriman will move down the depth chart and/or be cut, and you can go back to being happy. It's funny, I thought the Chiefs were going to be a decent team when we played them in week 2. It's kind of humorous how similar the two teams are at the moment. Rosters that *should* be better than their records, imo. Edited November 19, 2012 by Dorkington
Shoutbox Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Ya gotta love the indomitable will to perceive the best in any situation. Bills fans eternal optimism has kept Ralph Wilson rolling in dough even when his team sucks year after year, and for over a decade now. Just like NYS lottery! Hey, you never know! In the voice of Jim Mora...PLAYOFFS!!....PLAYOFFS!!...PLAYOFFS!!...I just hope we can win a game! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40mhBE5MpbA P.S. So the Bills finish 6-10 and draft in the middle of the pack again because they can't decide to be bad enough to garner a top 5 pick or be good enough to have a winning season. No worries tho, Gailey, Nix, Wannstedt will all be back next year to try again next season. You can bet as long as Ralph Wilson owns the team they will never make the playoffs, or even have a winning season. Wow! A complaint about Ralph bamboozling the fans, a Jim Mora "playoffs!?" clip, and a proclamation about how a top 5 pick equates to eventual success while picks #6 onward are irrelevant....You just completed the cliched pessimistic Bills fan trifecta! Congrats! And thank you for your novel contributions to the thread!
xsoldier54 Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 This team lost to Tennesee at home. They are NOT going to the playoffs. I would love to see it as much as anyone else, but they just aren't good enough. They need a new HC and DC if they are to contend. This coaching staff is not capable of getting them prepared week in and week out. They cannot make in game adjustments and the fact is that it has and will cost them wins. Are the players good enough? I believe they are. Are the coaches playoff calibre? I don't think so.
thewildrabbit Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Wow! A complaint about Ralph bamboozling the fans, a Jim Mora "playoffs!?" clip, and a proclamation about how a top 5 pick equates to eventual success while picks #6 onward are irrelevant....You just completed the cliched pessimistic Bills fan trifecta! Congrats! And thank you for your novel contributions to the thread! You are most welcome After all, its not every year that the Bills defense sets NFL records for being bad.
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