Flutie Flakes Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Any word from Las Vegas on the odds of which player may have been the offender??? My money is that it was Stevie J. His youngest of three has to be about 7 months old.
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Why not name the player? Â Beat you to it. Â Â Dallas>Houston Edited November 17, 2012 by \GoBillsInDallas/
plenzmd1 Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 dude, Bills beat the Dolphins...he gets whatever he wants whenever he wants! Â BTW, I used at hang out at the Pierce Arrow ( I think that w the name) in mid to late 80's...Jimbo and crew did not lack for special attention, nor did they have a dearth of fun or ladies. All the while not exactly being pleasant to us commoners.
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Oh man.... really? Maybe going to the grocery store is taking care of the child's needs? Is it that hard to imagine that people may not have enough options, and are just trying to keep things together? And that children, for all their joy and wonder, are unpredictable and sometimes create chaos? (Please note, I'm not talking about fancy restaurants here, but grocery stores.) Â Maybe it looks different from your Olympian heights of superiority. Wait till the rock rolls back down, and look again. Â Chuckle. I was actually agreeing with Hopeful, know it's not easy, and realize there are many different circumstances. Maybe you can wrap your head around the fact that I wasn't condemning all parents in grocery stores, just playing Devil's Advocate to Hopeful's post that sometimes the parents really are as much to blame as the wailing child.
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 A NFL player can't afford a babysitter?
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 A NFL player can't afford a babysitter? Â His wife was working at the coal mine at the time.
Bronc24 Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Parenting has become about friendship more than being a parent in many instances. Heaven forbid there be rules or consequences for negative behaviors.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 NAME THE PLAYER!! Â Â ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Â I have a lot of sympathy for parents in grocery stores. You get home from work, you're typically on a mission - gotta buy some stuff and get home and feed the fam. It's very hard to deal with a child having a temper tantrum in that time frame, work fast and get out may be the only option. Â Otherwise, there used to be an unwritten law that screaming or crying kids got removed from the situation - either temporarily until they calmed down or their parents just left, so as to not disturb other people. It would be nice if that law would go back on the books. On the other hand, whenever we went to restaurants when my daughter was small, we took along a "bag of tricks" that she could play with - coloring books, quiet toys, and helped her find something to amuse herself. If they just expect the kid to sit there ignored by both adults and with nothing to do, that hasn't occurred since the '90s - the 1890s. Â I dont have kids so my opinion barely counts here, but I agree with this. I give parents (and kids) a lot of leeway in situations like a grocery store. Everyone is just trying to get in and out, and the kid is too young to understand how to keep it together for just a little while. Kids will be kids. It happens. Â But at a restaurant is a completely different situation. Again, kids will be kids and babies cry. But if they do, the parent has to be big enough to suck it up, and remove the child from the place. Luckily, most of my friends/coworkers/etc with kids have followed this unwritten rule anytime we've been out with the kids along.
TheMadCap Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 I agree you cannot let you children go nuts in public. However, I have found that the most intolerant people when it comes to small children are people without kids. I was that way once, then I had my own kids. I definitely do not allow poor behavior in restaurants, but I do cut other parents a bit of slack they didn't get before. Believe me. most actual parents are the most bothered by thier kid's poor public behavior...
papazoid Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Last night was my wifes birthday and to celebrate I took her to Tempo, the restaurant the Bills brass used to court Mario Williams. I had planned this for weeks and wanted it to be very special. Everything was going as planned until a certain member of the Bills came in with his wife/gf and a small child. He didn't have a reservation. I know this because i was seated behind the hostess and could hear the conversation. He told her who he was and who he played for and sure enough he got seated right next to me. There is a dress code at Tempo but apparently he didn't care. He was dressed in shorts, sneakers, a Bills sweatshirt that looked like it needed to be washed and he was wearing a baseball cap. I didn't have a problem with his attire but after about 15 minutes the little girl began screaming. This went on for the entire time he was there. The people in our section were obviously annoyed and began asking to be moved to another room. This didn't phase the player or the woman he was with as neither of them attended to the child. When the hostess seated me she asked if this was a special occasion and I told her it was my wifes birthday. When the other patrons were seated in my section I could hear her ask the same question. Most of the people were there celebrating a brthday or anniversary only to have it ruined by this players lack of class and consideration. I happen to admire this player for his talent on the field but I was disgusted by his behavior. Marv Levy taught his players to act like professionals on and off the field. God how I miss the glory days. Â your kidding right ?.....levy certainly had absolutely zero control off the field, those guys stayed out late on weekend nights and drank themselves silly, which i personaly viewed on way too many occasions. no way they were sober by game time. i actually think todays athletes are much more behaved and resposible for their actions and what they put in their bodies. back in the "glory days" those guys got away with murder, the police, press and fans kept quiet...today, there's photos, videos, tweets and fan forums posted instantly online. Â i have no problem with restaurants showing preferential treatment to whoever they want. heck, i'm a nobody and have gotten tables without a reservation at places i frequent regularly. Â as far as the child disturbing the peace issue goes...it sucks, but happens all the time....obviously in a high end place like tempo, there is reasonable expectation to avoid it.....one of those adults should have taken the child outside for a bit and returned when calm. every situation is different, but if it truly was awful, i would have called for the manager. i don't care who it is, i'm not accepting that. if needed (manager refuses to do anything) i would have politely as possible chirped to the offending parents. who knows, maybe the manager winds up asking me to leave.
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 dude, Bills beat the Dolphins...he gets whatever he wants whenever he wants! Â BTW, I used at hang out at the Pierce Arrow ( I think that w the name) in mid to late 80's...Jimbo and crew did not lack for special attention, nor did they have a dearth of fun or ladies. All the while not exactly being pleasant to us commoners. What if they lost? Would he then be required to keep his brat from spoiling others evening out?
plenzmd1 Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Parenting has become about friendship more than being a parent in many instances. Heaven forbid there be rules or consequences for negative behaviors.  For the most part I say BS to this , but quick story. Had a drug workshop for parents/kids at my daughters school the other night, she being in 8th grade. Goal was for kids/ parents to talk about drugs and alcohol in non threatening way, learn a bit more how the kids think etc. BTW, you are not in a room with your own kids  One kid asks "what would you do if you caught your kid getting high". I answered first said first thing I would do is discipline pretty harshly, make her take some time off from her beloved swimming etc. Plus, i would find out where she got the weed from, and make sure those parents knew as well.  Some Mom went right after me, said she would try to talk with her Kid to understand why they wanted to get high, but mostly she would be crushed wondering where she went wrong as a parent...cause obviously this was all HER fault.    WOW.     What if they lost? Would he then be required to keep his brat from spoiling others evening out?  Sarcasm was very much intended in original post
Best Player Available Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 For the wealthy player, why he was just there to get him some vittles. Nothing special for him. He seems like he felt entitled. Glory days? Meeting Marv's crew in public at times was dealing with major attitude and quite frankly A-Holes. With Jimbo leading the charge. Nothing has changed for the pampered player. Until they retire and most become commoners.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Last night was my wifes birthday and to celebrate I took her to Tempo, the restaurant the Bills brass used to court Mario Williams. I had planned this for weeks and wanted it to be very special. Everything was going as planned until a certain member of the Bills came in with his wife/gf and a small child. He didn't have a reservation. I know this because i was seated behind the hostess and could hear the conversation. He told her who he was and who he played for and sure enough he got seated right next to me. There is a dress code at Tempo but apparently he didn't care. He was dressed in shorts, sneakers, a Bills sweatshirt that looked like it needed to be washed and he was wearing a baseball cap. I didn't have a problem with his attire but after about 15 minutes the little girl began screaming. This went on for the entire time he was there. The people in our section were obviously annoyed and began asking to be moved to another room. This didn't phase the player or the woman he was with as neither of them attended to the child. When the hostess seated me she asked if this was a special occasion and I told her it was my wifes birthday. When the other patrons were seated in my section I could hear her ask the same question. Most of the people were there celebrating a brthday or anniversary only to have it ruined by this players lack of class and consideration. I happen to admire this player for his talent on the field but I was disgusted by his behavior. Marv Levy taught his players to act like professionals on and off the field. God how I miss the glory days. Â I'm sorry your wife's birthday celebration was marred by inconsiderate parents. I hope you had a good time despite the challenges.
Bronc24 Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012   For the most part I say BS to this , but quick story. Had a drug workshop for parents/kids at my daughters school the other night, she being in 8th grade. Goal was for kids/ parents to talk about drugs and alcohol in non threatening way, learn a bit more how the kids think etc. BTW, you are not in a room with your own kids  One kid asks "what would you do if you caught your kid getting high". I answered first said first thing I would do is discipline pretty harshly, make her take some time off from her beloved swimming etc. Plus, i would find out where she got the weed from, and make sure those parents knew as well.  Some Mom went right after me, said she would try to talk with her Kid to understand why they wanted to get high, but mostly she would be crushed wondering where she went wrong as a parent...cause obviously this was all HER fault.    WOW.      Sarcasm was very much intended in original post  Definitely not BS. I said, "in many instances", not all. I have been an educator for 18 years, the last 6 in administration and I can assure you many parents want to appear "cool" and are afraid their kid's may hate them if they do not give into them. The kids learn to exploit this and do not understand consequences. It's not in every case, but unfortunately I see it a lot.  I also blame schools. The powers that be are removing an educator's power to discipline and hold students accountable. For example, we are not allowed to give a zero on an assignment and students do not have to meet deadlines. We have no retention from K - 9, regardless of how poor a student does. They are socially promoted until grade 10. When they get to 10, many fail and we spend time and money wondering how we can get them to turn it around. It's like quickly building a house with the cheapest materials and then trying to fix it when it is collapsing in 10 years. I don't get it.
UConn James Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 BuffaloPride, I hope you know enough to now make/help make your wife a nice quiet dinner at home. Â I, too, am in favor of naming the player. Everyone at the restaurant knows who it was, the restaurant employees/owners know who it was, the only ones in the dark are those people who can put a bit of public shaming on the individual. This is not exactly the Marshawn Lynch incident where he directly caused an unpleasant situation... which didn't help anything WRT his staying with the team. So if you're not naming the player to protect him in this way, I really don't think it's necessary. But.... dude's not going to get a babysitter next time if he thinks he can just get away with somewhat indirectly causing a scene last night and ruining the atmosphere for peoples' nice dinners. We don't know what the situation was, whether they were out of groceries, or the babysitter didn't show, or just having a horrible, rotten, no-good day --- we all have those --- but what happened still happened and it wasn't the definition of social graces. Â I'd be writing a letter to the owner of Tempo, for sure. I get that he would not want to cause a fuss with the organization or players who are part of his clientele, and there are only so many people in town who eat at places like that regularly, but he's got the other 90% of his clientele to think about, too.
jr1 Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 Mike Caussin doesn't need a reservation, damnit
benderbender Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 I think you should need a license to have kids. The ability to operate a motor vehicle is vetted by the state, why not the power of creating life?
stevewin Posted November 17, 2012 Posted November 17, 2012 I will weigh in with the sentiment this situation is not unique to 'entitled' football players, and is one of my pet peeves. Whenever I went out to dinner when my kids (twins) were babies or very small, I ALWAYS removed them from the restaurant immediately if they were even the slightest bit loud or distracting to others. AND as they got older, they were taught how to behave properly in public and faced consequences if they didn't do so. Rarely if ever had problems with them. A little bit of actual parenting and respect for others can go a long way.
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