Benghazi

[Doc]

 

 

You mean Mike Morell, who's now working on Hillary's campaign?

Nuff said.

[Nanker]

And that investigation will take place when, exactly? Any idea? I mean, CNN literally interviewed one of the suspects, and he's still at large. Most Americans feel like the president and state dept. would do well to spend more time bringing the murderers to justice and less time fundraising and passing time trying to convince the American people that there is this mythical gender pay gap.

 

Most every thinking American would agree; it's very easy to have a distaste for this administration.

Stop being so hardon Greggy. So CNN bought the rapist-murders lunch and put them up in a hotel for a week. At this point what difference does it make? Obama didn't miss a beat - went off on AFO the very next morning to do a fundraiser in Vegas. Vegas, Baby!!! Woo Hoo! You know how cool that is?

 

So what if Pat Tillman's family was able to get a full disclosure of how he was killed in Afghanistan by friendly fire. The nation media demands accountability from Republicans. Democrats... not so much. Good thing it was Ambassador Christopher who was raped and murdered. If it were a woman - well, you KNOW it would have had more gravitas. Way more.

Edited April 18, 2014 by Nanker

[Doc]

Yeah, but it was justified rape and murder because of that internet video that was released months before and no one saw.

[IDBillzFan]

Yeah, but it was justified rape and murder because of that internet video that was released months before and no one saw.

 

Word on the street is Cliven Bundy is changing his name to Ben Ghazi so the federal government will ignore him, too.

[OCinBuffalo]

Are you nuts? Or blind? Greg used "to" instead of "too", and I was busting his balls.

I specifically used the term "artisitic license" and that just blew right by you, didn't it?

 

Man. Is there such a thing as double irony? There's such a thing as a double negative, so why not?

 

3rdnlng: doing everything he can to stay firmly entrenched at the kids table of PPP.

[3rdnlng]

I specifically used the term "artisitic license" and that just blew right by you, didn't it?

 

Man. Is there such a thing as double irony? There's such a thing as a double negative, so why not?

 

3rdnlng: doing everything he can to stay firmly entrenched at the kids table of PPP.

 

Half the time your posts are concise and well-reasoned. The other half are gibberish. Using "to" instead of "too" is artistic license? Nice try.

[OCinBuffalo]

Half the time your posts are concise and well-reasoned. The other half are gibberish. Using "to" instead of "too" is artistic license? Nice try.

You still don't get it?

 

Oh well, whatever, nevermind.

[Doc]

Oh well, whatever, nevermind.

[OCinBuffalo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FklUAoZ6KxY

Not...exactly. But I will give you points for using artistic license, and getting the joke.

Edited April 22, 2014 by OCinBuffalo

[Deranged Rhino]

In this case, there is no need to listen to the testimony to gain the truth, because the testimony on its own will not tell you the story. The testimony as part of a fuller set of data points, will get you closer to the truth. And it does, by exposing the gaps in his explanation compared to what was said in 2012 and the changed accounts of the events.

Although, it is mighty difficult to expose the gaps in his explanations if you do not listen to the testimony in the first place. Wouldn't you agree? Unless you're going to accuse Morell of perjury... which I'd believe if you could provide evidence that wasn't speculative.

 

Seriously, I would. I love conspiracies.

 

But basically, you are calling Morrell an upstanding citizen, and McCain and Graham are liars. Yet now he's employed by an outfit that's helping a presidential candidate who would be extremely damaged by any negative revelations about Benghazi. I see absolutely nothing there. It's all a grand GOP witch hunt.

I never said any such thing, and certainly never called anyone a liar. I question many people's motivations on this issue -- but not McCain's. He has a vested interest in the truth that I do believe transcends the politics. But he's emotionally invested. Stevens was his friend. And people who are emotionally invested are not above letting their emotions get the better of their judgment.

 

As for Morell, it's all speculation. It doesn't look good, and his move to Clinton's shop came after most of my comments. But it's not enough to prove anything with regards to what happened that night or even after. It's just more speculation -- but it does look bad. No denying that.

 

And that investigation will take place when, exactly?

That's exactly what I want to know!

 

I've been waiting for it since the elections were over since there was no way it was going to happen during that feeding frenzy. I expected the witch hunt to die down. But it hasn't. And the investigation you and I both seem to want cannot take place when the focus is on the political machinations that may or may not have occurred in the aftermath of the attack. Right?

 

I'm on your side, I want this investigation to take place just like you. But that can't happen until the GOP stops their obsession with trying to catch Obama with his dick in his hand. They've done it enough times already, they've made the point.

 

Greg, you are smarter than this. Your remarks though are reminding me of the misinformed posters in the Trayvon Martin thread. You need to do a better job researching the facts. Some of us who have been with this since the incident have no desire to spoon feed you the real story. We've already done it too often. Read the thread.

I've been in the thread since the beginning. And you've still yet to give me anything that I'd classify as a fact. Everything has been speculative and based on hearsay. Just because the GOP has been repeating the same speculative, and in no way concrete, accusations for 18 months and counting does not automatically turn them into actual facts. There's no magical number of times that conspiracies can be said out loud that will instantly make them absolute truths.

 

Believe me, if there were, I'd be the first in line for that kind of rodeo.

 

Stop being so hardon Greggy. So CNN bought the rapist-murders lunch and put them up in a hotel for a week. At this point what difference does it make? Obama didn't miss a beat - went off on AFO the very next morning to do a fundraiser in Vegas. Vegas, Baby!!! Woo Hoo! You know how cool that is?

 

So what if Pat Tillman's family was able to get a full disclosure of how he was killed in Afghanistan by friendly fire. The nation media demands accountability from Republicans. Democrats... not so much. Good thing it was Ambassador Christopher who was raped and murdered. If it were a woman - well, you KNOW it would have had more gravitas. Way more.

Again, all this bluster has absolutely nothing to do with the actual events on the ground that September night. Zero. None. Nada. I get it, everyone gets it, you don't like Obama. You think his administration is crooked and you have collected a laundry's list worth of examples to make your case quite convincingly. I don't disagree with you either.

 

But it has no bearing on the events of that night. It really doesn't. As I've been saying, it's actually destructive to the search for truth in this instance because it's perverting the investigation and the public discourse by making it political. Even if everything you say about the administration's handling of the matter is true, all they're guilty of is lying to the American people for political gain. That's deplorable, sure. I'm with you. But it's not the most important element of this event, not by a long shot. And it's certainly not important enough to warrant over a year and half's worth Congressional focus.

 

The only people who would argue otherwise are the ones who are so far gone in their Obama rage they've lost all sense of judgement on the issue.

Edited April 23, 2014 by GreggyT

[Keukasmallies]

Word on the street is Cliven Bundy is changing his name to Ben Ghazi so the federal government will ignore him, too.

 

Good one, LAB!!!

[B-Man]

Benghazi attack could have been prevented

Daily Mail [uK], by David Martosko

 

The Citizens Commission on Benghazi, a self-selected group of former top military officers, CIA insiders and think-tankers, declared Tuesday in Washington that a seven-month review of the deadly 2012 terrorist attack has determined that it could have been prevented – if the U.S. hadn't been helping to arm al-Qaeda militias throughout Libya a year earlier.

'The United States switched sides in the war on terror with what we did in Libya, knowingly facilitating the provision of weapons to known al-Qaeda militias and figures,' Clare Lopez, a member of the commission and a former CIA officer, told MailOnline.

She blamed the Obama administration for failing to stop half of a $1 billion United Arab Emirates arms shipment from reaching al-Qaeda-linked militants.

'Remember, these weapons that came into Benghazi were permitted to enter by our armed forces who were blockading the approaches from air and sea,' Lopez claimed. 'They were permitted to come in. ... [They] knew these weapons were coming in, and that was allowed..

'The intelligence community was part of that, the Department of State was part of that, and certainly that means that the top leadership of the United States, our national security leadership, and potentially Congress – if they were briefed on this – also knew about this.'

The weapons were intended for Gaddafi but allowed by the U.S. to flow to his Islamist opposition.

 

{snip}

 

The White House and the National Security Staff did not immediately respond to questions about the group's findings.

'We don't claim to have all the answers here,' said Roger Aronoff, whose center-right group Accuracy in Media sponsored the group and its work.

 

'We hope you will, please, pursue this,' he told reporters. 'Check it out. Challenge us.'

The commission and AIM filed 85 document requests under the Freedom Of Information Act, hitting the Department of Defense, State Department, Federal Bureau of Investigation and Central Intelligence Agency with demand after demand.

But most of its information has come from insiders with deep knowledge of the flow of weapons in Libya and elsewhere in the African Maghreb.

 

Some of the group's claims strain credibility, including the assertion that the Obama administration's early effort to blame the Benghazi attack on a protest against a crude anti-Muslim YouTube video 'appears to have been well-coordinated with U.S.Muslim Brotherhood organizations as well as Islamic state members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).'

 

 

 

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2zjDXbzLg

[3rdnlng]

I'm bumping this thread. B-Mans post just prior to this one needs to be read (especially you, GreggyT) from the link. It sheds much more light on the subject.

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

Again....what was the CIA doing there??

[TakeYouToTasker]

Again....what was the CIA doing there??

Covertly running arms into Libya.

[meazza]

 

Covertly running arms into Libya.

 

They were looking for brody.

[DC Tom]

Covertly running arms into Libya.

 

Out of Libya, to the Syrian rebels.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

 

Out of Libya, to the Syrian rebels.

Damnit. Yes, that's correct.

[3rdnlng]

Damnit. Yes, that's correct.

 

Does anyone wonder why they were covering things up? Allowing arms to go to Al Qaeda and being caught 2 months before the election doesn't seem like good politics.

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

 

Does anyone wonder why they were covering things up? Allowing arms to go to Al Qaeda and being caught 2 months before the election doesn't seem like good politics.

The CIA operates with an alarming degree of autonomy. There's an incredibly good chance that the Oval Office had no idea at all that this was going on; and it wouldn't be unique to this Administration. Further, we do this sort of thing all the time, and have for decades.

Edited April 26, 2014 by TakeYouToTasker