drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) If there was a platoon of Marines, a few seals and CIA type operators along with an AC130 we would have about 100 dead terrorist scum banging their 72 virgins right now and minimal damage and casualties to American life and property. The surrounding neighborhood.... not so much. And there is where the administration decided it wasnt worth risking collateral damage with the new Libya and further upsetting Muslim extremists who already hate us and want to kill us no matter what we do or do not do. It's a !@#$ing joke this isnt being called for what it is. Edited November 19, 2012 by drinkTHEkoolaid
Doc Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) in this case, extra marines means if their request for more security WAS honored, there would have couple squads of marines assigned to the consulate and the safe house. Not that there were any there. My bad choice of words. Got taken away? what do you mean? Stand down, I'll just put this out there one more time... Fox News put out a story that said the GRS assets were told to stand down, and that went viral. There was no confirmation or evidence, just someone told Jennifer Griffin and she reported it. The CIA came back and said NFW, it didn't happen at any level, the Fox story was dead wrong, and they knew it for a fact. You can choose to ignore that, but it was a very strong condemnation by the CIA. Reports are that security was removed a month prior to the attack, despite Stevens' pleas to keep them there. And we know about the request for the plane that was denied. As for whether there was a stand down ordered, the CIA has every reason to lie, and there was no aid provided. Moreover Tyrone Woods' father has expressed frustration at the WH's stonewalling him, not to mention the evasiveness of the WH having Petraeus resign, Hillary down in Australia, etc. It doesn't take a lot of thought to put it all together. Edited November 19, 2012 by Doc
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 If there was a platoon of Marines, a few seals and CIA type operators along with an AC130 we would have about 100 dead terrorist scum banging their 72 virgins right now and minimal damage and casualties to American life and property. The surrounding neighborhood.... not so much. And there is where the administration decided it wasnt worth risking collateral damage with the new Libya and further upsetting Muslim extremists who already hate us and want to kill us no matter what we do or do not do. It's a !@#$ing joke this isnt being called for what it is. You're absolutely right, IF they had a C-130. The nearest airbase was Sigonella, Italy, 475 miles away and there were no C-130s there that night. So, a lot of if-onlys and things would have different.
3rdnlng Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Reports are that security was removed a month prior to the attack, despite Stevens' pleas to keep them there. And we know about the request for the plane that was denied. As for whether there was a stand down ordered, the CIA has every reason to lie, and there was no aid provided. Moreover Tyrone Woods' father has expressed frustration at the WH's stonewalling him, not to mention the evasiveness of the WH having Petraeus resign, Hillary down in Australia, etc. It doesn't take a lot of thought to put it all together. Yes, but the President was committed to his trip to Las Vegas and had to pack. Now he's Sandy's victims "homeboy". http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-calls-obama-homeboy_663632.html Visiting victims of Hurricane Sandy in New Jersey today, Vice President Joe Biden told them not to worry, saying, "you’ve got a homeboy in the deal who gets it." Biden was referring to President Barack Obama. Here are Biden's remarks, via the pool report: "If you’re not an Easterner it’s hard to understand that the ocean to us is the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park and everything else combined. It is a gigantic part of not only our economy but who we are. It’s a gigantic part of the culture as well. And every time the rest of the country is in real trouble, New Jersey and Delaware and New York and Connecticut etcetera we respond, we respond. And it’s going to be a heavy lift. These are difficult times in terms of budgets but the president has made it clear that we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the Corps is fully funded, that FEMA has their needs and that all the programs that exist under the auspices of the federal government not only continue to exist but are funded so that we can make sure that this area of the country is fully fully fully restored. So as the president said when he was up here with the governor, we’re not going anywhere. We’re not not going anywhere. And you’ve got a homeboy in the deal who gets it."
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Reports are that security was removed a month prior to the attack, despite Stevens' pleas to keep them there. And we know about the request for the plane that was denied. As for whether there was a stand down ordered, the CIA has every reason to lie, and there was no aid provided. Moreover Tyrone Woods' father has expressed frustration at the WH's stonewalling him, not to mention the evasiveness of the WH having Petraeus resign, Hillary down in Australia, etc. It doesn't take a lot of thought to put it all together. the "security removed" reports seem to come only from bloggers, do you have any legit sources that confirm they removed security? Not saying it didn't happen and I'll also be the first to admit that the pre-disaster planning was disgusting. They asked for more security, and didn't get it. Maybe it would've made a difference. The Libyan contracted security was a joke. The contingency planning seems to be non-existant, so there's a lot to be angry about. Asked and refused for what plane?
3rdnlng Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/house-intel-chair-appointees-administration-changed-rices-talking-points Clowns.
IDBillzFan Posted November 19, 2012 Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) If there was a platoon of Marines, a few seals and CIA type operators along with an AC130 we would have about 100 dead terrorist scum banging their 72 virgins right now and minimal damage and casualties to American life and property. Yes, but that's not how the Sally Fields Foreign Policy Plan works. You see, if we let American's die and refer to it as a 'bump in the road' while giving the Muslim Brotherhood all they need to bomb Israel from Egypt, then we'll be one of the cool kids and the terrorists will stop trying to kill us, and they'll like us. They'll really, really like us. Geez...can't you see the plan is working? Edited November 19, 2012 by LABillzFan
truth on hold Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) Yes, but that's not how the Sally Fields Foreign Policy Plan works. You see, if we let American's die and refer to it as a 'bump in the road' while giving the Muslim Brotherhood all they need to bomb Israel from Egypt, then we'll be one of the cool kids and the terrorists will stop trying to kill us, and they'll like us. They'll really, really like us. Geez...can't you see the plan is working? Yeah better to provide Israel with the political, military and economic support to carry out decades of brutal occupation, assassinations (terror if done by anyone else), and illegal settlement expansion. That will really buy us a lot of goodwill throughout the region. LOL Edited November 20, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack
Duck_dodgers007 Posted November 20, 2012 Author Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah better to provide Israel with the political, military and economic support to carry out decades of brutal occupation, assassinations (terror if done by anyone else), and illegal settlement expansion. That will really buy us a lot of goodwill throughout the region. LOL Hmmm...how long till someone tries and smear you with anti-semitism brush? There are only illegal aliens, never illegal settlements
Keukasmallies Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 westside/duck, My comments are my comments, from my perspective, given my life experiences--taken 'em or leave 'em. I feel no need whatsoever to explain anything to you beyond that.
Adam Posted November 20, 2012 Posted November 20, 2012 Hmmm...how long till someone tries and smear you with anti-semitism brush? There are only illegal aliens, never illegal settlements Many of my Isreali friend would agree with him. If they couldn't just fall back on us, every time, they actually would have had to negotiate in good faith. That point taken, the conflict would have been over by now. As far as Benghazi, that was a terrible situation and has been overpoliticized, just as the Osama Bin Laden assassination was.
outsidethebox Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 westside/duck, My comments are my comments, from my perspective, given my life experiences--taken 'em or leave 'em. I feel no need whatsoever to explain anything to you beyond that. I only have one user name. As far as comments go, practice what you preach.
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 I only have one user name. Ohhh, he's a liar as well as a thief... A class act, this one is.
Nanker Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Over 1,000 US servicemen/women have died in Afghanistan since the Emperor BO took over. 2009: 317 2010: 499 2011: 418 2012: 294
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Over 1,000 US servicemen/women have died in Afghanistan since the Emperor BO took over. 2009: 317 2010: 499 2011: 418 2012: 294 why would anyone quote this? Especially that the Iraq casualties were orders of magnitude higher during 2003-2008. This is just wrong, you should be ashamed of yourself.
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 why would anyone quote this? Especially that the Iraq casualties were orders of magnitude higher during 2003-2008. This is just wrong, you should be ashamed of yourself. Not to mention, almost twice as many people were murdered in Chicago than all of Afghanistan this year. The real war is at home. I guess blacks killing blacks isn't important enough to report.
Nanker Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Obviously Obama really is to blamed here. Four Americans are dead and Presidents should never let that many Ameicans die on their watch, name me one president that had that many Americans die overseas on their watch...you cant! why would anyone quote this? Especially that the Iraq casualties were orders of magnitude higher during 2003-2008. This is just wrong, you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm not at all ashamed of myself. It's the azzhat that started this drivel of a thread that should be ashamed. It was his claims about the 4 Americans dying in Benghazi being a joke and his Emperor is superior that made me want to rub his nose in the fact that his hero is also responsible for the deaths of over a thousand Americans. That's why. Blame the media for not relishing the fact that Americans are still dying in that god-forsaken land. Sorry for you if it's an inconvenient truth.
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 I'm not at all ashamed of myself. It's the azzhat that started this drivel of a thread that should be ashamed. It was his claims about the 4 Americans dying in Benghazi being a joke and his Emperor is superior that made me want to rub his nose in the fact that his hero is also responsible for the deaths of over a thousand Americans. That's why. Blame the media for not relishing the fact that Americans are still dying in that god-forsaken land. Sorry for you if it's an inconvenient truth. lots of threads are made of drivel. Ok, you don't like it, you think the media ought to be talking about casualties in Afghanistan. Fine, start a new thread about that, but don't twist a discussion about a diplomatic tragedy in Libya into your own personal vendetta. Talk about the african embassies, the marine barracks, things that relate to the deaths of innocent americans and diplomats in those countries, not our brothers and sisters in uniform that are fighting for democracy in your so-called god-forsaken lands.
Nanker Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 You're missing the point. This thread was started on the topic that I'm responding to - not what it deviated into.
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 You're missing the point. This thread was started on the topic that I'm responding to - not what it deviated into. you can justify it anyway you like, it's just wrong and inappropriate
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