2003Contenders Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Sad thing is that even if it were a TD, does anyone doubt that with about :30 and 3 timeouts that Brady would not have put the Pats in the position to kick a game winning field goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 You're nuts. Go to nfl.com and watch the replay. If TJ cuts in instead of up the ball is right there and a TD if not 1st and goal on the 1. http://www.nfl.com/g...ights&tab=recap Sure, if he's 8 feet tall. this is not blind football, just throw the ball where you think the guy is going to be, Take a !@#$ing look Fitz! If he looks, he see that there are 2 other guys open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 yes he was and he was wide open on a little wheel route - could have walked into the end zone.....it's a damn shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Sure, if he's 8 feet tall. this is not blind football, just throw the ball where you think the guy is going to be, Take a !@#$ing look Fitz! If he looks, he see that there are 2 other guys open. There isn't time for that. if you're a QB half of your throws are to where your receivers are supposed to be and you trust them to be there, especially on a pass like that. Sure, there are decisions that both the QB and the WR need to make that make the pattern A or B. But on this play, the safety is back so it was an easy decision to know it should go inside of him. TJ said so. When Fitz looked at Graham he saw him running toward the goalline and BEFORE the cut was supposed to be made. He threw the ball right when the cut was supposed to be made right to the spot where the WR is supposed to be. Even Graham said it was a perfect pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 CJ all by "hisself" at the 12 yd line - if Fitz leads him properly with the pass, he walks into the end zone and game, set, match......what a pisser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 That's not good evidence whatsoever. Fitz had already looked past that and was throwing to the other side of the field by then. CJ just then seems to have a one yard lead on the guy. Chances are extremely high that the defenders were all over Spiller when Fitz looked there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yep, and there were several plays were CJ was making people whiff right and left....why not give our best players the opportunity to win the game? Relying out a rookie WR who had "issues" earlier in the season that prevented him from getting on the field, or letting our THIRD STRING QB throw an ill-advised pass into the endzone is maddening. This board is obviously divided. Fitz' fault, TJ's fault, TJ's fault, Fitz' fault. This debate isn't going to end. What is not debatable, IMO, is that calling a play to an inconsistent rookie with the game on the line is asinine. Given Chan's propensity to consistently call the wrong plays at crucial moments in a game and Fitz' tendency to throw a pick &/or come up small in said moments, I put more of this on those two than on Graham, even if he ran the wrong route. He shouldn't even be an option there. Fitz had other,higher percentage reads but, as is his M.O., he screwed the pooch...again. we lost our two timeouts to injures. We only had around 30 sec. Left. Even without a timeout, 30 seconds at the opponent's 15 yard line is an eternity in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Not sure why he felt the need to go to the endzone on those last 2 throws-- we had whatever we wanted underneath and there was plenty of time. I agree but it is funny how so many (especially on GR) were bitching and moaning that we did not throw to the end zone last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There isn't time for that. if you're a QB half of your throws are to where your receivers are supposed to be and you trust them to be there, especially on a pass like that. Sure, there are decisions that both the QB and the WR need to make that make the pattern A or B. But on this play, the safety is back so it was an easy decision to know it should go inside of him. TJ said so. When Fitz looked at Graham he saw him running toward the goalline and BEFORE the cut was supposed to be made. He threw the ball right when the cut was supposed to be made right to the spot where the WR is supposed to be. Even Graham said it was a perfect pass. Yeah, like the rookie could say anything else? That pass should not have been made. That is why Fitz is what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This board is obviously divided. Fitz' fault, TJ's fault, TJ's fault, Fitz' fault. This debate isn't going to end. What is not debatable, IMO, is that calling a play to an inconsistent rookie with the game on the line is asinine. Given Chan's propensity to consistently call the wrong plays at crucial moments in a game and Fitz' tendency to throw a pick &/or come up small in said moments, I put more of this on those two than on Graham, even if he ran the wrong route. He shouldn't even be an option there. Fitz had other,higher percentage reads but, as is his M.O., he screwed the pooch...again. Even without a timeout, 30 seconds at the opponent's 15 yard line is an eternity in the NFL. The "play" wasn't necessarily called to go to TJ. The play has 5 different receivers and options. When Fitz sees the defense he determines pre-play which of the 5 has the best match-up and best chance and TJ was clearly the one he chose and it was the right choice. It's a TD and likely game winner if he s where he is supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Sad thing is that even if it were a TD, does anyone doubt that with about :30 and 3 timeouts that Brady would not have put the Pats in the position to kick a game winning field goal. The refs probably would have flagged us for pass interference before we kicked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yeah, like the rookie could say anything else? That pass should not have been made. That is why Fitz is what he is. Yes he could say anything else. Are you nuts? Name one WR who ever ran the right route and the QB made the wrong read who lied and said it was my fault. That does not happen in the NFL, nor should it. QBs on the other hand, and coaches, more times than not will take the blame on themselves regardless of who made the mistake. This kind of stuff kills me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The "play" wasn't necessarily called to go to TJ. The play has 5 different receivers and options. When Fitz sees the defense he determines pre-play which of the 5 has the best match-up and best chance and TJ was clearly the one he chose and it was the right choice. It's a TD and likely game winner if he s where he is supposed to be. So defenses don't disguise what they are doing? QB's just look at pre-play D and go with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The "play" wasn't necessarily called to go to TJ. The play has 5 different receivers and options. When Fitz sees the defense he determines pre-play which of the 5 has the best match-up and best chance and TJ was clearly the one he chose and it was the right choice. It's a TD and likely game winner if he s where he is supposed to be. Again, an inconsistent rookie who's had his share of drops was NOT the right choice. The kid hasn't played all that much this year and shouldn't have even been on the field. Why would you trust him in that situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 So defenses don't disguise what they are doing? QB's just look at pre-play D and go with that? There was zero disguise from the Pats safeties. Watch the play! McCourty is just sitting back, playing deep, waiting in the endzone. That is the key to the receiver whether to cut in or cut up. He cut up. McCourty just stood there. Fouts saw it right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There was zero disguise from the Pats safeties. Watch the play! McCourty is just sitting back, playing deep, waiting in the endzone. That is the key to the receiver whether to cut in or cut up. He cut up. McCourty just stood there. Fouts saw it right away. Fouts also saw that fitz didn't see the defender....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Again, an inconsistent rookie who's had his share of drops was NOT the right choice. The kid hasn't played all that much this year and shouldn't have even been on the field. Why would you trust him in that situation? Because he is in the game and an NFL receiver. When a guy is known for making mental errors he makes them on less than 10% of the plays. I'm making that number up but when they make mistakes it's still very rare it's not half of the plays. if the guy is on the field every QB in the league will expect him to be where he is supposed to be. The last time Fitz threw over the middle to the endzone to Graham he caught it for a TD against the Browns. Fouts also saw that fitz didn't see the defender....... You're entitled to your opinion. It's cool. I'm as frustrated with the play and loss as you are. I just see it differently. This is a high school level simple play however, and TJ just blew it, not Fitz. Fitz has blown more than his share of passes this year, just not that one. He should be a hero right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Because he is in the game and an NFL receiver. When a guy is known for making mental errors he makes them on less than 10% of the plays. I'm making that number up but when they make mistakes it's still very rare it's not half of the plays. if the guy is on the field every QB in the league will expect him to be where he is supposed to be. The last time Fitz threw over the middle to the endzone to Graham he caught it for a TD against the Browns. We're going to agree to disagree then. Given Fitz' history of trying to do too much when a safer option is available, did anyone really think that him throwing into traffic wouldn't end badly? We've seen this movie way too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Because he is in the game and an NFL receiver. When a guy is known for making mental errors he makes them on less than 10% of the plays. I'm making that number up but when they make mistakes it's still very rare it's not half of the plays. if the guy is on the field every QB in the league will expect him to be where he is supposed to be. The last time Fitz threw over the middle to the endzone to Graham he caught it for a TD against the Browns. You're entitled to your opinion. It's cool. I'm as frustrated with the play and loss as you are. I just see it differently. This is a high school level simple play however, and TJ just blew it, not Fitz. Fitz has blown more than his share of passes this year, just not that one. He should be a hero right now. He should have been the hero plenty of times. He is not, that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Stop right here. Go back and read all of the above posts w/o interruption. Do Americans really have that much free time on their hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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